Fifth Annual ACCA World Computer Rapid Chess Championships

[Harvey Williamson]

So watching this year's ACCA tournament has the same user experience as watching an ICGA event (unless you have paid ICC for a membership), i.e. a blank screen. ICC might as well be Graham Banks' basement (no offense to Graham).

Argh.

What makes you think members get to see it live?

Some games get broadcast live but mainly due to people who are there like me, GCP and Hans.

It's the internet, everyone should be able to see it live. Maybe next time.

Let's hope!

[michiguel]

Message to all participants. If we have few enough participants, we will reduce the number of rounds. Maybe the tournament will be completed in one day

From the site, there are 19 entrants. Add 1 engine to make it even. Then probably we can go for 7-round swiss all for saturday.

Being WCRCC more games should be fine. Two options below.
(a) a double 7-round swiss. Every pairing will have 2 games assigned white/black. Total games for each participants equals 14. Fit the games for saturday and sunday.

(b) 2-phase tourney. First Phase is elimination and Second phase is Final.

1. First Phase - a 6-round swiss get the top 10 qualifiers for the final. The rest will be eliminated. This will suit participants with technical problems to not continue the tourney.
2. Final - a 6 round swiss.
Schedule could be 8 rounds in saturday and 4 rounds in sunday.

Nobody should be eliminated... and also, there is no reason to cut it to only one day.

13 rounds swiss should be ok. If the people do not like that,
two divisions (A and B) of 10 participants each, round robin (9 rounds) then,

A1 plays B2 (two games)
B1 plays A2 (two games)
and the winners plays two games to decide 1st and 2nds, the others for 3rd and 4th. The same could be done with A3, A4, B3, B4 playing a mini play off for 5th, 6th, 7th and 8th etc.

Miguel

[Ferdy]

Message to all participants. If we have few enough participants, we will reduce the number of rounds. Maybe the tournament will be completed in one day

From the site, there are 19 entrants. Add 1 engine to make it even. Then probably we can go for 7-round swiss all for saturday.

Being WCRCC more games should be fine. Two options below.
(a) a double 7-round swiss. Every pairing will have 2 games assigned white/black. Total games for each participants equals 14. Fit the games for saturday and sunday.

(b) 2-phase tourney. First Phase is elimination and Second phase is Final.

1. First Phase - a 6-round swiss get the top 10 qualifiers for the final. The rest will be eliminated. This will suit participants with technical problems to not continue the tourney.
2. Final - a 6 round swiss.
Schedule could be 8 rounds in saturday and 4 rounds in sunday.

Nobody should be eliminated... and also, there is no reason to cut it to only one day.

13 rounds swiss should be ok. If the people do not like that,
two divisions (A and B) of 10 participants each, round robin (9 rounds) then,

A1 plays B2 (two games)
B1 plays A2 (two games)
and the winners plays two games to decide 1st and 2nds, the others for 3rd and 4th. The same could be done with A3, A4, B3, B4 playing a mini play off for 5th, 6th, 7th and 8th etc.

Miguel

13 round swiss is too much for about 20 participants. In the later part of the tourney you might want to avoid pairing those top 3 against those botom 5.
Your second suggestion is a bit complicated considering this is online play. IMO will give TD more work.

[CRoberson]

Message to all participants. If we have few enough participants, we will reduce the number of rounds. Maybe the tournament will be completed in one day

From the site, there are 19 entrants. Add 1 engine to make it even. Then probably we can go for 7-round swiss all for saturday.

Being WCRCC more games should be fine. Two options below.
(a) a double 7-round swiss. Every pairing will have 2 games assigned white/black. Total games for each participants equals 14. Fit the games for saturday and sunday.

(b) 2-phase tourney. First Phase is elimination and Second phase is Final.

1. First Phase - a 6-round swiss get the top 10 qualifiers for the final. The rest will be eliminated. This will suit participants with technical problems to not continue the tourney.
2. Final - a 6 round swiss.
Schedule could be 8 rounds in saturday and 4 rounds in sunday.

Nobody should be eliminated... and also, there is no reason to cut it to only one day.

13 rounds swiss should be ok. If the people do not like that,
two divisions (A and B) of 10 participants each, round robin (9 rounds) then,

A1 plays B2 (two games)
B1 plays A2 (two games)
and the winners plays two games to decide 1st and 2nds, the others for 3rd and 4th. The same could be done with A3, A4, B3, B4 playing a mini play off for 5th, 6th, 7th and 8th etc.

Miguel

According to the TD's at ICC, their bots don't handle swiss well when the number of rounds exceeds the numofparticipants/2. If we end up with only 20 participants that would limit us to a 10 rounds swiss (if we run a purely swiss tournament).

A hybrid system could be enjoyable. In the past, many ideas have been suggested, but all would have some not participating in the later rounds. That was considered unappealing. Your suggestion does have the merit of all can participate in all round.

Lets here what others think. Then again, today is the last day for those with ICC accounts to enter; maybe, we will have another 8 entries.

[uaf]

According to the TD's at ICC, their bots don't handle swiss well when the number of rounds exceeds the numofparticipants/2. If we end up with only 20 participants that would limit us to a 10 rounds swiss (if we run a purely swiss tournament).

A hybrid system could be enjoyable. In the past, many ideas have been suggested, but all would have some not participating in the later rounds. That was considered unappealing. Your suggestion does have the merit of all can participate in all round.

Lets here what others think. Then again, today is the last day for those with ICC accounts to enter; maybe, we will have another 8 entries.

I'm fine with 10 rounds swiss.
I would avoid the other solution to keep things simple.

[michiguel]

Message to all participants. If we have few enough participants, we will reduce the number of rounds. Maybe the tournament will be completed in one day

From the site, there are 19 entrants. Add 1 engine to make it even. Then probably we can go for 7-round swiss all for saturday.

Being WCRCC more games should be fine. Two options below.
(a) a double 7-round swiss. Every pairing will have 2 games assigned white/black. Total games for each participants equals 14. Fit the games for saturday and sunday.

(b) 2-phase tourney. First Phase is elimination and Second phase is Final.

1. First Phase - a 6-round swiss get the top 10 qualifiers for the final. The rest will be eliminated. This will suit participants with technical problems to not continue the tourney.
2. Final - a 6 round swiss.
Schedule could be 8 rounds in saturday and 4 rounds in sunday.

Nobody should be eliminated... and also, there is no reason to cut it to only one day.

13 rounds swiss should be ok. If the people do not like that,
two divisions (A and B) of 10 participants each, round robin (9 rounds) then,

A1 plays B2 (two games)
B1 plays A2 (two games)
and the winners plays two games to decide 1st and 2nds, the others for 3rd and 4th. The same could be done with A3, A4, B3, B4 playing a mini play off for 5th, 6th, 7th and 8th etc.

Miguel

According to the TD's at ICC, their bots don't handle swiss well when the number of rounds exceeds the numofparticipants/2. If we end up with only 20 participants that would limit us to a 10 rounds swiss (if we run a purely swiss tournament).

A hybrid system could be enjoyable. In the past, many ideas have been suggested, but all would have some not participating in the later rounds. That was considered unappealing. Your suggestion does have the merit of all can participate in all round.

Lets here what others think. Then again, today is the last day for those with ICC accounts to enter; maybe, we will have another 8 entries.

Another option (13 rounds total.):

First Day, First phase:
7-round swiss (7 rounds)

Second day, Second phase:
Top 4 play RR, with black and white (6 Rounds)
same for 5th to 8th, 9th to 12th, 13th to 16th, 17th to 20th.

The points in the first phase could be carried for the total point count (as done in olympic basketball) or just used to tiebrak for the second phase, or just ignored...

I do not think this is too complicated.

if one more signs up (21 total), it will be better, because the second phase could be divided in three RR groups of 7 (each player will have a break in one round, but that is not a big problem). 14 rounds total (one of them will be a bye).

Miguel
PS: 10 round swiss is fine, but we will play less.

[frankp]

Will guest accounts be able to watch?

I don't know why you ask when all you have to do is log into ICC as a guest and try observing any game, rated or unrated. It makes no difference. You cannot watch.

Argh.

I ask for exactly that reason, in the hope that there might be some special dispensation.

[hgm]

Of course there are also ICS which are free and where anyone (guest or registered) can watch all games (rated or unrated), which do not seem to have any trouble handling machine kibitz...

[CRoberson]

We are back to 19 participants. One of them has dropped out.

[mhull]

Of course there are also ICS which are free and where anyone (guest or registered) can watch all games (rated or unrated), which do not seem to have any trouble handling machine kibitz...

It's about time TDs everywhere follow your example and host their own ICS!