WCCC Schedule + Book Rules + programmers representative

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Rémi Coulom wrote:Jaap told me he is planning something so I won't bother much about this question.
Well, I hope he is not planning to use DGT boards, as that would be a quite inferior solution (no engine evaluations, which in watching computer-chess games is really all the fun).

I guess the ChessLive! viewer could be changed to load the moves from two different sources, integrating the score/depth infos. Of course there are also problems with this approach, as not all players will use WinBoard, and for those that do, the opponent might not.
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hgm wrote:
Rémi Coulom wrote:Jaap told me he is planning something so I won't bother much about this question.
Well, I hope he is not planning to use DGT boards, as that would be a quite inferior solution (no engine evaluations, which in watching computer-chess games is really all the fun).

I guess the ChessLive! viewer could be changed to load the moves from two different sources, integrating the score/depth infos. Of course there are also problems with this approach, as not all players will use WinBoard, and for those that do, the opponent might not.
If you are motivated to organize something yourself, then please do. You should ask Jaap about his plans, too. I am sure he would be happy if you offer to help.

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hgm wrote:...Of course there are also problems with this approach, as not all players will use WinBoard, and for those that do, the opponent might not.
I don't use WinBoard but i can implement the protocol that you will choose, to exchange informations from my new engine. I think that other programmers who doesn't use WinBoard can do the same.

What's important is that we know wich protocol to use, a couple of weeks before the tournament.
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Rules have been posted:

http://www.grappa.univ-lille3.fr/icga/e ... .php?id=56

This includes the new book rule. Registration fees were increased. I'll forward comments to Jaap.

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Rémi Coulom wrote:Rules have been posted:

http://www.grappa.univ-lille3.fr/icga/e ... .php?id=56

This includes the new book rule. Registration fees were increased. I'll forward comments to Jaap.

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Maybe should be corrected: "...November 18-26, 2010 in Tilburg..." :wink:
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Registration fees were increased.
I'm speechless.

Even worse: people who are faithful participants are automatically upgraded to semi-professional.
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bob wrote:
Speaking of operators, why can't that be eliminated. Everyone has entered a CCT event and used an automatic interface. Why can't the ICGA events do the same and get the human out of the equation?
I have serious mixed feelings on this one. A LOT of pro's and con's each way and I probably don't have to say what they are, as I see this thread is long (and I have not read past this post yet.) But I lean somewhat in favor of human interaction (human operators.)

I'm not fussy about time control, but if it's decided to automate the games, there should many more rounds and fast enough time controls to facilitate that. At least double round robin as a minimum. Scheduling is not tricky with round robin and rounds do not even have to start at the same time - but that is a detail for the organizers.
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frankp wrote:This gets better: now you need MS Excel to even read the schedule :/
open office or Libre Office is the way to go.
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Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:
Registration fees were increased.
I'm speechless.

Even worse: people who are faithful participants are automatically upgraded to semi-professional.
Seems backwards. The more you come, the more you pay.
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Don wrote:
Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:
Registration fees were increased.
I'm speechless.

Even worse: people who are faithful participants are automatically upgraded to semi-professional.
Seems backwards. The more you come, the more you pay.

I think that the overall cost of the organization of such kind of tourneys is a lot greater than the "poor" registration fees. Suppose 10 commercial programs and some amateur, they can get about 6000 euros from registration fees. If you think about the % of that cost on the overall cost... i think that it would be more smart to reduce the cost to attract more partecipant, than to raise it. Maybe 100 euros for amateur and 200 for professional/commercial should be enough. How many people, with very strong software, doesn't partecipate because of the cost? That's my case... now i'm in doubt to partecipate or not. You don't loose a strong software, in my case, but maybe you loose an interesting one (Freccia would be based on genetical algoritms, rather than standard evaluation function).

So, it have no sense to discard the cost on the partecipant... sponsor should pay almost all!!! We do this in our italian championships: sponsor will pay the hotel and eating for all partecipant and we don't have registration fees.

This is just my opinion, of course (and excuse me for my bad english).