SWCR LIVE: Komodo 3.0 w32 & Komodo 3.0 x64

[Frank Quisinsky]

Hi there,

on channel 1 in LIVE result mode now Komodo 3.0 w32
1.200 games vs. 30 participants
08/16 cores, 4 matches runs to the same time:
Will be run around 8 days (144 games per day if no engine crashed).

Channel 1:
http://www.amateurschach.de/ftptrigger/ ... 0-w32.html

on channel 2 in LIVE result mode now Komodo 3.0 x64
1.200 games vs. 30 participants
08/16 cores, 4 matches runs to the same time:
Will be run around 8 days (144 games per day if no engine crashed).

Channel 2:
http://www.amateurschach.de/ftptrigger/ ... 0-x64.html

First time an engine will be test LIVE with w32 and x64 version. The happy birthday present because the SWCR is now 2 years old.

Best
Frank

[lkaufman]

question: I notice that you use both I7 and older machines. Do you use SSE versions on the I7 or do you run all the tests on non-sse?

Thanks.

[Frank Quisinsky]

Hi Larry,

I used for SWCR Q9950 systems only. 4 Q9550 systems for SWCR, 2 Q9550 systems for private other things I do around computer chess. My tester Andrea Sourcinelli used an i7 system. He sent me so far 600 SWCR games I added in the database, can be see in the database if you download it.

All other games are played with Q9950, in the very first beginning with E8400, E6750 systems which have around the same MHz.

With other words I don't use SSE versions and Andrea used after my information the same versions I used. SWCR is with other words completly without SSE engine versions.

Best and thanks for KOMODO, I like version 3.0!
Frank

[Frank Quisinsky]

Hi Larry,

database can be found in my download area.
http://www.amateurschach.de (click on download).

Around 14.000 games are played with E6750 and E8400.
Around 118.000 games are played with Q9550
600 games are played with i7.

Around 15.000 games played with Doch / Komodo versions so far.
Have a look on:

http://www.amateurschach.de/swcr/swcr_3 ... -64bit.htm

Best
Frank

[Don]

Hi Larry,

I used for SWCR Q9950 systems only. 4 Q9550 systems for SWCR, 2 Q9550 systems for private other things I do around computer chess. My tester Andrea Sourcinelli used an i7 system. He sent me so far 600 SWCR games I added in the database, can be see in the database if you download it.

All other games are played with Q9950, in the very first beginning with E8400, E6750 systems which have around the same MHz.

With other words I don't use SSE versions and Andrea used after my information the same versions I used. SWCR is with other words completly without SSE engine versions.

The version of Komodo you are using is the low performance version and we only provide it to support those who have old hardware.

This explains why the results is lower for Komodo on your list compared to other lists - you are running a handicapped version of Komodo.

Best and thanks for KOMODO, I like version 3.0!
Frank

[Frank Quisinsky]

Hi Don,

thanks for your statement.

At first, no tested chess programm is running with SSE in SWCR. Important for me is: All with the same conditions.

SWCR-64
An very experiment list because w32 and x64 are still running. I test settings too. Not from all engines we have a 64bit version.

I wrote a lot about this topic in the german CSS forum.
You can't added a formel 1 car with a touring car in the same race. You can't added a mounten bike and a racing cycle in the same race. We have to build classes for it.

w32 class
x64 class
w32 2 core class
x64 2 core class
or
x64 with SSE class

SWCR-32
My main rating list. All engines can play with 32bit under the same conditions. We know Komodo have an advantage 64bit to 32bit from around 60-65 ELO. We know how strong are engines with factor 1.4 - 1.8 on two cores, or around factor 3.2 on four cores. If users like they can calculate plus x ELO for all the time factors they like to the basic 32bit result.

The basic is for myself more important as x64, more cores, SSE. All with the same starting position, hardware, same conditions and so on.

Furthermore, it make no sense to start a rating list without SSE and later add SSE versions. I can't produce a direct compare between all the available engine versions.

And at last, I test SSE with two engines and around 2.000 games per version. I compare the results and find out that SSE will give us an advantage from around 5 ELO.

Result 1: 7 ELO
Result 2: 3 ELO

Not sure but I think for my list SSE isn't important. Because a rating list have to create a hard compare between the participant engines with the same conditions. All what is possible should be the same, the configuration, book and all other things. Only if all is the same I can produce a list with exactly differents between the engines. Means that a list with w32 and x64 for an example produce a correct rating but not a correct place in a list.

Part of my concept

Best
Frank

[Frank Quisinsky]

Hi Don,

here the current standing of all SWCR games (SWCR-32 & SWCR-64):
After the round robin I will update the SWCR-32 and SWCR-64.

Results are not clear enough:
At the moment 85 ELO between Komodo 3.0 w32 and Komodo 3.0 x64 but it should be 60 - 65 ELO.

I think Komodo 3.0 x64 will lose a bit points and Komodo 3.0 w32 will win more points after a bad start.

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  SWCR         : 133.180 games           #Time control: 40/10 "repeatedly"
  Last update  : September 19th, 2011    #Game average: 40 minutes, move average = 85
                                         #Resign      : OFF
  LIVE 1       : Komodo 3.0 w32          #Ponder      : ON
  Cores        : 08/16                   #Learning    : OFF
  To play      : 860 of 1.200 games      #Endgames    : 4-pieces, 32Mb cache
                                         #Opening book: Own PGN random 5.03 book
  LIVE 2       : Komodo 3.0 x64          #GUI         : Shredder Classic 4 / Arena
  Cores        : 08/16                   #OS          : Windows XP Pro. x64 Edition
  To play      : 840 of 1.200 games      #Processors  : Intel® Core™2Q, 4xQ9550 2,83GHz
                                                      : Intel® Core™i7, 1x720 1,60GHz
                                         #Cores       : 1 core for each engine
  Database     : 131.493 games           #Hash-Tables : 256Mb  
  Updated      : September 13th, 2011    #Games       : 1.000 per engine minimal



          NAME / version of engine       ELO    +    -   GAM    SC   OP     DR
  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
   1    1 Houdini 1.5 x64                3000   15   15  2052   78%  2777   29% 
   -    2 Houdini 1.5 w32                2984   20   20  1092   80%  2752   29% 
   2    3 Komodo 3.0 x64                 2978   35   34   360   79%  2751   31% Update, + 51  *** Still running
   3    4 Rybka 4 x64 Exp. 42            2968   20   19  1240   80%  2718   25% 
   -    5 Rybka 4.1 x64 Exp. 79TD v.1    2962   19   19  1240   78%  2742   26% 
   -    6 Rybka 4 x64 Exp. 61            2960   21   21  1000   78%  2742   27% 
   -    7 Rybka 4.1 x64                  2957   16   16  1532   73%  2782   37% 
   4    8 Critter 1.2 x64                2951   17   17  1372   76%  2746   33% 
   5    9 Stockfish 2.1.1 JA x64 PHQ     2945   17   17  1360   75%  2756   32% 
   -   10 Houdini 1.03a x64              2943   21   21  1000   80%  2710   30% 
   -   11 Rybka 4 x64                    2940   18   17  1480   80%  2697   28% 
   6   12 IvanHoe B47cB x64              2940   16   16  1492   71%  2780   39% 
   7   13 Fire 2.2 xTreme x64            2939   18   17  1332   76%  2741   33% 
   -   14 Fire 1.5 xTreme x64            2935   17   16  1400   73%  2762   36% 
   -   15 Critter 1.2 w32                2935   19   19  1052   75%  2748   36% 
   -   16 Stockfish 2.1.1 JA x64         2935   16   16  1572   73%  2760   36% 
   -   17 IvanHoe B49jA x64              2932   17   17  1360   72%  2766   36% 
   -   18 Komodo 2.03 JA x64             2927   16   16  1600   71%  2763   32% 
   -   19 IvanHoe B52aC x64              2923   18   18  1160   73%  2756   36% 
   -   20 Stockfish 1.8.0 JA x64         2906   19   18  1160   75%  2711   32% 
   -   21 Stockfish 2.0.1 JA x64         2906   18   18  1120   69%  2767   38% 
   -   22 Stockfish 1.9.1 JA x64         2905   18   17  1280   73%  2727   33% 
   -   23 Fire 1.31 x64                  2903   19   19  1040   73%  2732   37% 
   -   24 Stockfish 2.1.1 JA w32         2902   18   18  1092   71%  2755   39% 
   -   25 Rybka 3 x64                    2902   21   21  1000   79%  2675   28% 
   -   26 Fire 2.2 xTreme w32            2902   18   18  1092   70%  2755   40% 
   -   27 Rybka 4.1 w32                  2900   18   18  1092   70%  2755   36% 
   -   28 Critter 1.01 x64               2896   16   16  1360   66%  2780   39% 
   -   29 IvanHoe B47cB w32              2895   18   18  1092   69%  2755   39% 
   -   30 Stockfish 1.7.1 JA x64         2894   19   19  1080   76%  2702   33% 
   -   31 Stockfish 1.9.1 JA w32         2893   20   20  1000   77%  2692   31% 
   -   32 Komodo 3.0 w32                 2893   34   33   340   72%  2728   32% Update, + 27  *** Still running
   -   33 Rybka 4 w32                    2891   19   18  1200   76%  2695   32% 
   -   34 Critter 1.01 w32               2889   18   18  1200   72%  2719   33% 
   -   35 Stockfish 1.7.1 JA w32         2872   18   18  1200   75%  2687   31% 
   -   36 Stockfish 2.0.1 JA w32         2871   20   20  1000   76%  2678   34% 
   -   37 Critter 0.90 x64               2871   17   17  1200   68%  2741   37% 
   -   38 Critter 0.90 w32               2868   20   20  1000   76%  2678   32% 
   -   39 Komodo 2.03 JA w32             2866   18   18  1080   65%  2754   37% 
   -   40 Stockfish 1.8.0 JA w32         2863   19   19  1000   73%  2702   38% 
   -   41 Rybka 3 w32                    2858   16   16  1520   74%  2687   31% 
   -   42 Komodo 1.3 JA x64              2840   16   16  1280   59%  2772   39% 
   8   43 Naum 4.2 x64                   2833   10   11  3532   62%  2738   36% 
   -   44 Critter 0.80 x64               2830   15   15  1640   67%  2698   32% 
   -   45 Stockfish 1.6.3 JA w32         2824   18   18  1080   71%  2677   36% 
   -   46 Naum 4.2 w32                   2823   11   11  3012   65%  2714   37% 
   -   47 Critter 0.80 w32               2814   18   18  1040   67%  2694   37% 
   -   48 Critter 0.70 x64               2811   19   19  1000   66%  2693   37% 
   -   49 Naum 4.1 w32                   2808   19   19  1000   67%  2692   35% 
   -   50 Komodo 1.2 JA x64              2804   13   13  2240   62%  2711   39% 
   -   51 Stockfish 1.6.0 JA w32         2801   18   18  1000   67%  2689   39% 
   9   52 Shredder 12 w32                2800    8    8  7064   60%  2726   36% 
  10   53 GullChess 1.2 x64              2791   15   15  1532   51%  2779   40% 
  11   54 Sjeng c't 2010 w32             2789    9    9  4944   57%  2740   38% 
   -   55 GullChess 1.1 x64              2786   17   17  1160   56%  2742   37% 
   -   56 Naum 4.0 w32                   2784   18   18  1000   65%  2684   38% 
  12   57 Spike 1.4 Leiden w32           2782    9    9  4784   57%  2733   37% 
   -   58 Komodo 1.0 JA x64              2782   19   18  1000   65%  2680   40% 
  13   59 Deep Fritz 12 w32              2778   14   14  1760   62%  2697   41% 
   -   60 Critter 0.70 w32               2775   18   18  1000   60%  2708   40% 
   -   61 GullChess 1.0a x64             2774   16   16  1440   59%  2708   37% 
   -   62 Komodo 1.3 JA w32              2774   19   18  1000   63%  2682   36% 
  14   63 Protector 1.4.0 JA x64         2769   15   15  1532   49%  2780   38% 
   -   64 GullChess 1.2 w32              2761   18   17  1091   50%  2760   38% 
  15   65 Junior 12.5.0.3 x64            2760   15   15  1652   50%  2762   36% 
  16   66 Spark 1.0 x64                  2758   13   13  2172   49%  2770   40% 
   -   67 Komodo 1.2 JA w32              2758   17   16  1200   58%  2699   41% 
  17   68 Hiarcs 13.2 w32                2757   11   10  3264   51%  2748   39% 
   -   69 Junior 12.5.0.3 w32            2752   18   18  1090   49%  2760   34% 
   -   70 GullChess 1.0a w32             2747   18   18  1000   57%  2698   40% 
  18   71 Hannibal 1.1 x64               2747   16   16  1292   50%  2748   39% 
   -   72 GullChess 1.1 w32              2744   18   18  1000   59%  2683   40% 
   -   73 Fritz 12 w32                   2744   17   16  1160   59%  2686   44% 
   -   74 Spark 0.5 x64                  2739   13   13  2080   55%  2702   36% 
   -   75 Hiarcs 13.1 w32                2737   11   11  2880   53%  2718   38% 
  19   76 Thinker 5.4d Inert x64         2732   10   10  3532   49%  2739   37% 
   -   77 Stockfish 1.5.1 JA w32         2726   18   18  1000   59%  2671   43% 
  20   78 Zappa Mexico II x64            2725   10   10  3532   48%  2740   39% 
   -   79 Spark 1.0 w32                  2717   14   14  1731   50%  2721   36% 
   -   80 Junior 12.0 x64                2716   14   14  1840   45%  2750   32% 
   -   81 Spark 0.4 x64                  2716   18   18  1000   55%  2683   40% 
   -   82 Komodo 1.0 JA w32              2713   16   16  1200   53%  2692   40% 
   -   83 Protector 1.4.0 JA w32         2712   14   14  1731   49%  2721   38% 
   -   84 Protector 1.3.4 JA x64         2711   14   14  1680   51%  2708   37% 
  21   85 Fruit 09_07_05 x64             2709   10   10  3532   46%  2740   33% 
   -   86 Thinker 5.4d Inert w32         2707   10   10  3531   49%  2714   41% 
   -   87 Spark 0.5 w32                  2707   17   17  1200   51%  2701   41% 
   -   88 Protector 1.3.6-370 JA x64     2704   17   17  1280   46%  2734   33% 
   -   89 Critter 0.60 x64               2703   18   18  1000   53%  2683   38% 
   -   90 Hannibal 1.1 w32               2702   18   18  1051   42%  2757   41% 
   -   91 Junior 12.0 w32                2697   19   19  1000   51%  2685   35% 
  22   92 Booot 5.1.0 w32                2697   16   16  1280   44%  2737   36% 
   -   93 Protector 1.3.5 x64            2691   18   18  1000   50%  2692   41% 
  23   94 Equinox 0.97e x64              2689   15   15  1532   41%  2759   35% 
   -   95 Sjeng WC-2008 x64              2688   14   14  1800   48%  2704   36% 
   -   96 Doch 1.3.4 JA w32              2686   18   18  1000   50%  2683   42% 
   -   97 Junior 11.2 w32                2685   17   17  1200   48%  2702   33% 
   -   98 Critter 0.60 w32               2684   18   18  1000   49%  2694   39% 
   -   99 Junior 11.2 x64                2682   16   16  1480   47%  2704   30% 
   -  100 Hannibal 1.0a x64              2682   12   12  2840   40%  2753   34% 
   -  101 Spark 0.4 w32                  2679   18   18  1000   48%  2692   42% 
   -  102 Protector 1.3.4 JA w32         2677   14   14  1600   47%  2699   39% 
  24  103 Onno 1.2.70 x64                2676   11   11  3292   41%  2740   35% 
   -  104 Onno 1.1.1 x64                 2673   18   18  1000   48%  2684   40% 
   -  105 Protector 1.3.2 w32            2672   16   17  1160   47%  2693   41% 
   -  106 Protector 1.3.5 JA w32         2672   18   18  1000   45%  2704   43% 
  25  107 Cyclone xTreme Wrath w32       2671   13   13  2051   42%  2730   39% 
  25  108 Umko 1.2 x64                   2671   17   17  1252   39%  2755   36% 
   -  109 Doch 1.2 JA w32                2668   18   18  1000   49%  2676   38% 
   -  110 Equinox 0.95 x64               2667   17   17  1240   35%  2780   31% 
   -  111 Junior 2010 w32                2667   16   16  1240   47%  2689   36% 
   -  112 Protector 1.3.1b w32           2666   18   18  1000   47%  2686   42% 
   -  113 Hiarcs 12.1 w32                2665   18   18  1000   46%  2690   40% 
   -  114 Sjeng WC-2008 w32              2663   12   12  2240   45%  2698   37% 
   -  115 Hiarcs 12.1 w32 Sharpen PV     2662   16   16  1280   45%  2696   39% 
   -  116 Equinox 0.95 w32               2662   18   18  1000   46%  2687   36% 
   -  117 Zappa Mexico II w32            2659   10   10  3531   42%  2714   39% 
   -  118 Fruit 09_07_05 w32             2658   18   19  1040   37%  2757   32% 
   -  119 Equinox 0.97e w32              2654   18   18  1091   35%  2764   32% 
   -  120 Doch 09.980 JA w32             2654   18   18  1000   47%  2673   41% 
   -  121 Spark 0.3a w32                 2653   17   17  1120   44%  2696   41% 
   -  122 Junior 11.1a x64               2650   19   19  1000   45%  2685   33% 
   -  123 Spark 0.3 w32                  2645   18   18  1000   43%  2691   42% 
   -  124 Junior 11.1a w32               2641   18   18  1000   43%  2693   36% 
   -  125 Hannibal 1.0a w32              2637   14   14  1760   40%  2705   35% 
  27  126 Bright 0.5c w32                2633   14   13  1960   39%  2716   34% 
   -  127 Umko 1.1 x64                   2630   13   13  2240   31%  2773   32% 
   -  128 Onno 1.1.1 w32                 2628   15   15  1520   40%  2693   41% 
  28  129 Loop M1-T x64                  2626   17   17  1372   32%  2761   34% 
   -  130 Onno 1.2.70 w32                2625   12   12  2531   37%  2723   37% 
   -  131 Loop 2007 x64                  2620   12   12  2400   37%  2721   34% 
   -  132 Umko 1.2 w32                   2616   19   19  1091   30%  2765   33% 
  29  133 Jonny 4.00 w32                 2615   11   11  3463   34%  2734   29% 
   -  134 Loop 2007 w32                  2614   14   14  1891   37%  2707   36% 
  30  135 Crafty 23.4 JA x64             2614   13   13  2332   30%  2764   30% 
   -  136 Fruit 05/11/03 w32             2614   11   11  2880   38%  2699   40% 
   -  137 Loop 13.6 w32                  2612   15   15  1520   38%  2694   39% 
   -  138 Equinox 0.87t x64              2612   17   17  1280   33%  2737   31% 
   -  139 Critter 0.52b w32              2611   18   18  1040   38%  2696   37% 
   -  140 Umko 1.0 x64, no ponder        2610   17   18  1160   34%  2722   38% 
   -  141 Glaurung 2.2 JA w32            2608   18   18  1080   37%  2698   36% 
  31  142 Scorpio 2.7 JA x64             2607   16   17  1532   28%  2784   27% 
  31  143 Ktulu 9.03 w32                 2607   14   14  1760   37%  2701   31% 
   -  144 Twisted Logic 20100131x x64    2606   18   18  1120   35%  2712   31% 
   -  145 Equinox 0.83 x64               2598   18   18  1120   32%  2731   32% 
  33  146 SmarThink 1.20 x64             2598   12   12  3012   32%  2735   31% 
  34  147 BugChess2 1.9 x64              2597   16   16  1612   35%  2716   28% 
   -  148 Crafty 23.3 JA x64             2594   18   18  1160   33%  2722   34% 
   -  149 SmarThink 1.20 w32             2592   11   11  2931   34%  2702   35% 
  35  150 Tornado 4.40 x64               2589   15   15  1932   26%  2778   28% 
   -  151 Umko 1.1 w32                   2588   19   19  1000   36%  2690   34% 
   -  152 Crafty 23.4 JA w32             2579   18   18  1091   34%  2697   33% 
   -  153 Scorpio 2.7 JA w32             2577   19   20  1091   25%  2766   28% 
   -  154 Equinox 0.83 w32               2576   19   19  1000   32%  2705   33% 
   -  155 Twisted Logic 20100131x w32    2572   15   15  1600   32%  2705   30% 
   -  156 Spike 1.2 Turin w32            2571   16   16  1480   31%  2706   34% 
  36  157 Cipollino 3.25 x64             2567   19   19  1080   30%  2720   31% 
   -  158 Tornado 4.40 w32               2565   16   16  1451   32%  2692   33% 
   -  159 Crafty 23.3 JA w32             2564   19   19  1000   30%  2705   32% 
   -  160 BugChess2 1.9 w32              2564   19   20  1091   24%  2767   26% 
   -  161 BugChess2 1.7 x64              2563   18   18  1240   27%  2737   29% 
  37  162 ChessTiger 2007 1.0012 w32     2562   12   12  3143   26%  2742   31% 
   -  163 Scorpio 2.6 JA x64             2554   18   18  1160   27%  2724   31% 
   -  164 Crafty 23.2 JA x64             2552   19   19  1080   28%  2715   30% 
  38  165 Chronos 1.99 x64, no ponder    2551   18   18  1200   28%  2717   33% 
  39  166 BobCat 2.75 x64                2549   16   16  1640   25%  2743   30% 
   -  167 Crafty 23.3 JA x64, no ponder  2547   20   20  1000   26%  2729   30% 
   -  168 Tornado 4.25 x64               2538   19   20  1080   27%  2715   25% 
  40  169 Daydreamer 1.75 JA x64         2517   19   19  1160   25%  2704   30% 
   -  170 Tornado 3.67 x64               2476   21   21  1040   21%  2712   25% 
  41  171 Zarkov 6.44 w32                2471   15   15  2120   22%  2697   24% 
  42  172 Gaviota 0.80 x64               2356   25   26  1040   11%  2714   15% 

Best
Frank

[Don]

Hi Don,

here the current standing of all SWCR games (SWCR-32 & SWCR-64):
After the round robin I will update the SWCR-32 and SWCR-64.

Results are not clear enough:
At the moment 85 ELO between Komodo 3.0 w32 and Komodo 3.0 x64 but it should be 60 - 65 ELO.

I think Komodo 3.0 x64 will lose a bit points and Komodo 3.0 w32 will win more points after a bad start.

The 32 bit version of Komodo is much weaker than the 64 bit version, more than most other programs so that is not a surprise.

Your list shows Komodo 64 only 22 ELO weaker than Houdini which is way too much for Komodo. So I expect Komodo to drop at least 30 more ELO because Houdini uses SSE but you forbid other engines to have this advantage.

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  SWCR         : 133.180 games           #Time control: 40/10 "repeatedly"
  Last update  : September 19th, 2011    #Game average: 40 minutes, move average = 85
                                         #Resign      : OFF
  LIVE 1       : Komodo 3.0 w32          #Ponder      : ON
  Cores        : 08/16                   #Learning    : OFF
  To play      : 860 of 1.200 games      #Endgames    : 4-pieces, 32Mb cache
                                         #Opening book: Own PGN random 5.03 book
  LIVE 2       : Komodo 3.0 x64          #GUI         : Shredder Classic 4 / Arena
  Cores        : 08/16                   #OS          : Windows XP Pro. x64 Edition
  To play      : 840 of 1.200 games      #Processors  : Intel® Core™2Q, 4xQ9550 2,83GHz
                                                      : Intel® Core™i7, 1x720 1,60GHz
                                         #Cores       : 1 core for each engine
  Database     : 131.493 games           #Hash-Tables : 256Mb  
  Updated      : September 13th, 2011    #Games       : 1.000 per engine minimal



          NAME / version of engine       ELO    +    -   GAM    SC   OP     DR
  -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
   1    1 Houdini 1.5 x64                3000   15   15  2052   78%  2777   29% 
   -    2 Houdini 1.5 w32                2984   20   20  1092   80%  2752   29% 
   2    3 Komodo 3.0 x64                 2978   35   34   360   79%  2751   31% Update, + 51  *** Still running
   3    4 Rybka 4 x64 Exp. 42            2968   20   19  1240   80%  2718   25% 
   -    5 Rybka 4.1 x64 Exp. 79TD v.1    2962   19   19  1240   78%  2742   26% 
   -    6 Rybka 4 x64 Exp. 61            2960   21   21  1000   78%  2742   27% 
   -    7 Rybka 4.1 x64                  2957   16   16  1532   73%  2782   37% 
   4    8 Critter 1.2 x64                2951   17   17  1372   76%  2746   33% 
   5    9 Stockfish 2.1.1 JA x64 PHQ     2945   17   17  1360   75%  2756   32% 
   -   10 Houdini 1.03a x64              2943   21   21  1000   80%  2710   30% 
   -   11 Rybka 4 x64                    2940   18   17  1480   80%  2697   28% 
   6   12 IvanHoe B47cB x64              2940   16   16  1492   71%  2780   39% 
   7   13 Fire 2.2 xTreme x64            2939   18   17  1332   76%  2741   33% 
   -   14 Fire 1.5 xTreme x64            2935   17   16  1400   73%  2762   36% 
   -   15 Critter 1.2 w32                2935   19   19  1052   75%  2748   36% 
   -   16 Stockfish 2.1.1 JA x64         2935   16   16  1572   73%  2760   36% 
   -   17 IvanHoe B49jA x64              2932   17   17  1360   72%  2766   36% 
   -   18 Komodo 2.03 JA x64             2927   16   16  1600   71%  2763   32% 
   -   19 IvanHoe B52aC x64              2923   18   18  1160   73%  2756   36% 
   -   20 Stockfish 1.8.0 JA x64         2906   19   18  1160   75%  2711   32% 
   -   21 Stockfish 2.0.1 JA x64         2906   18   18  1120   69%  2767   38% 
   -   22 Stockfish 1.9.1 JA x64         2905   18   17  1280   73%  2727   33% 
   -   23 Fire 1.31 x64                  2903   19   19  1040   73%  2732   37% 
   -   24 Stockfish 2.1.1 JA w32         2902   18   18  1092   71%  2755   39% 
   -   25 Rybka 3 x64                    2902   21   21  1000   79%  2675   28% 
   -   26 Fire 2.2 xTreme w32            2902   18   18  1092   70%  2755   40% 
   -   27 Rybka 4.1 w32                  2900   18   18  1092   70%  2755   36% 
   -   28 Critter 1.01 x64               2896   16   16  1360   66%  2780   39% 
   -   29 IvanHoe B47cB w32              2895   18   18  1092   69%  2755   39% 
   -   30 Stockfish 1.7.1 JA x64         2894   19   19  1080   76%  2702   33% 
   -   31 Stockfish 1.9.1 JA w32         2893   20   20  1000   77%  2692   31% 
   -   32 Komodo 3.0 w32                 2893   34   33   340   72%  2728   32% Update, + 27  *** Still running
   -   33 Rybka 4 w32                    2891   19   18  1200   76%  2695   32% 
   -   34 Critter 1.01 w32               2889   18   18  1200   72%  2719   33% 
   -   35 Stockfish 1.7.1 JA w32         2872   18   18  1200   75%  2687   31% 
   -   36 Stockfish 2.0.1 JA w32         2871   20   20  1000   76%  2678   34% 
   -   37 Critter 0.90 x64               2871   17   17  1200   68%  2741   37% 
   -   38 Critter 0.90 w32               2868   20   20  1000   76%  2678   32% 
   -   39 Komodo 2.03 JA w32             2866   18   18  1080   65%  2754   37% 
   -   40 Stockfish 1.8.0 JA w32         2863   19   19  1000   73%  2702   38% 
   -   41 Rybka 3 w32                    2858   16   16  1520   74%  2687   31% 
   -   42 Komodo 1.3 JA x64              2840   16   16  1280   59%  2772   39% 
   8   43 Naum 4.2 x64                   2833   10   11  3532   62%  2738   36% 
   -   44 Critter 0.80 x64               2830   15   15  1640   67%  2698   32% 
   -   45 Stockfish 1.6.3 JA w32         2824   18   18  1080   71%  2677   36% 
   -   46 Naum 4.2 w32                   2823   11   11  3012   65%  2714   37% 
   -   47 Critter 0.80 w32               2814   18   18  1040   67%  2694   37% 
   -   48 Critter 0.70 x64               2811   19   19  1000   66%  2693   37% 
   -   49 Naum 4.1 w32                   2808   19   19  1000   67%  2692   35% 
   -   50 Komodo 1.2 JA x64              2804   13   13  2240   62%  2711   39% 
   -   51 Stockfish 1.6.0 JA w32         2801   18   18  1000   67%  2689   39% 
   9   52 Shredder 12 w32                2800    8    8  7064   60%  2726   36% 
  10   53 GullChess 1.2 x64              2791   15   15  1532   51%  2779   40% 
  11   54 Sjeng c't 2010 w32             2789    9    9  4944   57%  2740   38% 
   -   55 GullChess 1.1 x64              2786   17   17  1160   56%  2742   37% 
   -   56 Naum 4.0 w32                   2784   18   18  1000   65%  2684   38% 
  12   57 Spike 1.4 Leiden w32           2782    9    9  4784   57%  2733   37% 
   -   58 Komodo 1.0 JA x64              2782   19   18  1000   65%  2680   40% 
  13   59 Deep Fritz 12 w32              2778   14   14  1760   62%  2697   41% 
   -   60 Critter 0.70 w32               2775   18   18  1000   60%  2708   40% 
   -   61 GullChess 1.0a x64             2774   16   16  1440   59%  2708   37% 
   -   62 Komodo 1.3 JA w32              2774   19   18  1000   63%  2682   36% 
  14   63 Protector 1.4.0 JA x64         2769   15   15  1532   49%  2780   38% 
   -   64 GullChess 1.2 w32              2761   18   17  1091   50%  2760   38% 
  15   65 Junior 12.5.0.3 x64            2760   15   15  1652   50%  2762   36% 
  16   66 Spark 1.0 x64                  2758   13   13  2172   49%  2770   40% 
   -   67 Komodo 1.2 JA w32              2758   17   16  1200   58%  2699   41% 
  17   68 Hiarcs 13.2 w32                2757   11   10  3264   51%  2748   39% 
   -   69 Junior 12.5.0.3 w32            2752   18   18  1090   49%  2760   34% 
   -   70 GullChess 1.0a w32             2747   18   18  1000   57%  2698   40% 
  18   71 Hannibal 1.1 x64               2747   16   16  1292   50%  2748   39% 
   -   72 GullChess 1.1 w32              2744   18   18  1000   59%  2683   40% 
   -   73 Fritz 12 w32                   2744   17   16  1160   59%  2686   44% 
   -   74 Spark 0.5 x64                  2739   13   13  2080   55%  2702   36% 
   -   75 Hiarcs 13.1 w32                2737   11   11  2880   53%  2718   38% 
  19   76 Thinker 5.4d Inert x64         2732   10   10  3532   49%  2739   37% 
   -   77 Stockfish 1.5.1 JA w32         2726   18   18  1000   59%  2671   43% 
  20   78 Zappa Mexico II x64            2725   10   10  3532   48%  2740   39% 
   -   79 Spark 1.0 w32                  2717   14   14  1731   50%  2721   36% 
   -   80 Junior 12.0 x64                2716   14   14  1840   45%  2750   32% 
   -   81 Spark 0.4 x64                  2716   18   18  1000   55%  2683   40% 
   -   82 Komodo 1.0 JA w32              2713   16   16  1200   53%  2692   40% 
   -   83 Protector 1.4.0 JA w32         2712   14   14  1731   49%  2721   38% 
   -   84 Protector 1.3.4 JA x64         2711   14   14  1680   51%  2708   37% 
  21   85 Fruit 09_07_05 x64             2709   10   10  3532   46%  2740   33% 
   -   86 Thinker 5.4d Inert w32         2707   10   10  3531   49%  2714   41% 
   -   87 Spark 0.5 w32                  2707   17   17  1200   51%  2701   41% 
   -   88 Protector 1.3.6-370 JA x64     2704   17   17  1280   46%  2734   33% 
   -   89 Critter 0.60 x64               2703   18   18  1000   53%  2683   38% 
   -   90 Hannibal 1.1 w32               2702   18   18  1051   42%  2757   41% 
   -   91 Junior 12.0 w32                2697   19   19  1000   51%  2685   35% 
  22   92 Booot 5.1.0 w32                2697   16   16  1280   44%  2737   36% 
   -   93 Protector 1.3.5 x64            2691   18   18  1000   50%  2692   41% 
  23   94 Equinox 0.97e x64              2689   15   15  1532   41%  2759   35% 
   -   95 Sjeng WC-2008 x64              2688   14   14  1800   48%  2704   36% 
   -   96 Doch 1.3.4 JA w32              2686   18   18  1000   50%  2683   42% 
   -   97 Junior 11.2 w32                2685   17   17  1200   48%  2702   33% 
   -   98 Critter 0.60 w32               2684   18   18  1000   49%  2694   39% 
   -   99 Junior 11.2 x64                2682   16   16  1480   47%  2704   30% 
   -  100 Hannibal 1.0a x64              2682   12   12  2840   40%  2753   34% 
   -  101 Spark 0.4 w32                  2679   18   18  1000   48%  2692   42% 
   -  102 Protector 1.3.4 JA w32         2677   14   14  1600   47%  2699   39% 
  24  103 Onno 1.2.70 x64                2676   11   11  3292   41%  2740   35% 
   -  104 Onno 1.1.1 x64                 2673   18   18  1000   48%  2684   40% 
   -  105 Protector 1.3.2 w32            2672   16   17  1160   47%  2693   41% 
   -  106 Protector 1.3.5 JA w32         2672   18   18  1000   45%  2704   43% 
  25  107 Cyclone xTreme Wrath w32       2671   13   13  2051   42%  2730   39% 
  25  108 Umko 1.2 x64                   2671   17   17  1252   39%  2755   36% 
   -  109 Doch 1.2 JA w32                2668   18   18  1000   49%  2676   38% 
   -  110 Equinox 0.95 x64               2667   17   17  1240   35%  2780   31% 
   -  111 Junior 2010 w32                2667   16   16  1240   47%  2689   36% 
   -  112 Protector 1.3.1b w32           2666   18   18  1000   47%  2686   42% 
   -  113 Hiarcs 12.1 w32                2665   18   18  1000   46%  2690   40% 
   -  114 Sjeng WC-2008 w32              2663   12   12  2240   45%  2698   37% 
   -  115 Hiarcs 12.1 w32 Sharpen PV     2662   16   16  1280   45%  2696   39% 
   -  116 Equinox 0.95 w32               2662   18   18  1000   46%  2687   36% 
   -  117 Zappa Mexico II w32            2659   10   10  3531   42%  2714   39% 
   -  118 Fruit 09_07_05 w32             2658   18   19  1040   37%  2757   32% 
   -  119 Equinox 0.97e w32              2654   18   18  1091   35%  2764   32% 
   -  120 Doch 09.980 JA w32             2654   18   18  1000   47%  2673   41% 
   -  121 Spark 0.3a w32                 2653   17   17  1120   44%  2696   41% 
   -  122 Junior 11.1a x64               2650   19   19  1000   45%  2685   33% 
   -  123 Spark 0.3 w32                  2645   18   18  1000   43%  2691   42% 
   -  124 Junior 11.1a w32               2641   18   18  1000   43%  2693   36% 
   -  125 Hannibal 1.0a w32              2637   14   14  1760   40%  2705   35% 
  27  126 Bright 0.5c w32                2633   14   13  1960   39%  2716   34% 
   -  127 Umko 1.1 x64                   2630   13   13  2240   31%  2773   32% 
   -  128 Onno 1.1.1 w32                 2628   15   15  1520   40%  2693   41% 
  28  129 Loop M1-T x64                  2626   17   17  1372   32%  2761   34% 
   -  130 Onno 1.2.70 w32                2625   12   12  2531   37%  2723   37% 
   -  131 Loop 2007 x64                  2620   12   12  2400   37%  2721   34% 
   -  132 Umko 1.2 w32                   2616   19   19  1091   30%  2765   33% 
  29  133 Jonny 4.00 w32                 2615   11   11  3463   34%  2734   29% 
   -  134 Loop 2007 w32                  2614   14   14  1891   37%  2707   36% 
  30  135 Crafty 23.4 JA x64             2614   13   13  2332   30%  2764   30% 
   -  136 Fruit 05/11/03 w32             2614   11   11  2880   38%  2699   40% 
   -  137 Loop 13.6 w32                  2612   15   15  1520   38%  2694   39% 
   -  138 Equinox 0.87t x64              2612   17   17  1280   33%  2737   31% 
   -  139 Critter 0.52b w32              2611   18   18  1040   38%  2696   37% 
   -  140 Umko 1.0 x64, no ponder        2610   17   18  1160   34%  2722   38% 
   -  141 Glaurung 2.2 JA w32            2608   18   18  1080   37%  2698   36% 
  31  142 Scorpio 2.7 JA x64             2607   16   17  1532   28%  2784   27% 
  31  143 Ktulu 9.03 w32                 2607   14   14  1760   37%  2701   31% 
   -  144 Twisted Logic 20100131x x64    2606   18   18  1120   35%  2712   31% 
   -  145 Equinox 0.83 x64               2598   18   18  1120   32%  2731   32% 
  33  146 SmarThink 1.20 x64             2598   12   12  3012   32%  2735   31% 
  34  147 BugChess2 1.9 x64              2597   16   16  1612   35%  2716   28% 
   -  148 Crafty 23.3 JA x64             2594   18   18  1160   33%  2722   34% 
   -  149 SmarThink 1.20 w32             2592   11   11  2931   34%  2702   35% 
  35  150 Tornado 4.40 x64               2589   15   15  1932   26%  2778   28% 
   -  151 Umko 1.1 w32                   2588   19   19  1000   36%  2690   34% 
   -  152 Crafty 23.4 JA w32             2579   18   18  1091   34%  2697   33% 
   -  153 Scorpio 2.7 JA w32             2577   19   20  1091   25%  2766   28% 
   -  154 Equinox 0.83 w32               2576   19   19  1000   32%  2705   33% 
   -  155 Twisted Logic 20100131x w32    2572   15   15  1600   32%  2705   30% 
   -  156 Spike 1.2 Turin w32            2571   16   16  1480   31%  2706   34% 
  36  157 Cipollino 3.25 x64             2567   19   19  1080   30%  2720   31% 
   -  158 Tornado 4.40 w32               2565   16   16  1451   32%  2692   33% 
   -  159 Crafty 23.3 JA w32             2564   19   19  1000   30%  2705   32% 
   -  160 BugChess2 1.9 w32              2564   19   20  1091   24%  2767   26% 
   -  161 BugChess2 1.7 x64              2563   18   18  1240   27%  2737   29% 
  37  162 ChessTiger 2007 1.0012 w32     2562   12   12  3143   26%  2742   31% 
   -  163 Scorpio 2.6 JA x64             2554   18   18  1160   27%  2724   31% 
   -  164 Crafty 23.2 JA x64             2552   19   19  1080   28%  2715   30% 
  38  165 Chronos 1.99 x64, no ponder    2551   18   18  1200   28%  2717   33% 
  39  166 BobCat 2.75 x64                2549   16   16  1640   25%  2743   30% 
   -  167 Crafty 23.3 JA x64, no ponder  2547   20   20  1000   26%  2729   30% 
   -  168 Tornado 4.25 x64               2538   19   20  1080   27%  2715   25% 
  40  169 Daydreamer 1.75 JA x64         2517   19   19  1160   25%  2704   30% 
   -  170 Tornado 3.67 x64               2476   21   21  1040   21%  2712   25% 
  41  171 Zarkov 6.44 w32                2471   15   15  2120   22%  2697   24% 
  42  172 Gaviota 0.80 x64               2356   25   26  1040   11%  2714   15% 

Best
Frank

[Frank Quisinsky]

Hi Don,

I believe before your release Komodo 1.2 you wrote that you try to optimate the 32bit version a bit better.

Look here:
http://www.amateurschach.de/swcr/swcr_3 ... -64bit.htm

You do that with success.
Only 50 ELO different and not 60-65 ELO different!

I know that you don't use 32bit systems. Tord Romstad wrote in the interview a bit to 32bit / 64bit. After all results I have and information I have a 64bit versions should not more as 30 ELO better as a 64bit version or the 32bit version isn't optimated.

My wish to you is to try to optimate the 32bit version too. Most of people I know from my chess club and so on useing 32bit systems. If you buy a new system you will get in the most of cases Windows 7 64bit. OK, but you know that Windows XP is very popular.

I think both is important.

SSE:
After the round robin I can start the same round robin with the SSE version of Komodo 3.0 x64. So we can look.

Best
Frank

[Don]

Hi Don,

I believe before your release Komodo 1.2 you wrote that you try to optimate the 32bit version a bit better.

Look here:
http://www.amateurschach.de/swcr/swcr_3 ... -64bit.htm

You do that with success.
Only 50 ELO different and not 60-65 ELO different!

I know that you don't use 32bit systems. Tord Romstad wrote in the interview a bit to 32bit / 64bit. After all results I have and information I have a 64bit versions should not more as 30 ELO better as a 64bit version or the 32bit version isn't optimated.

My wish to you is to try to optimate the 32bit version too. Most of people I know from my chess club and so on useing 32bit systems. If you buy a new system you will get in the most of cases Windows 7 64bit. OK, but you know that Windows XP is very popular.

I think both is important.

SSE:
After the round robin I can start the same round robin with the SSE version of Komodo 3.0 x64. So we can look.

That would be great. On the Rybka forum Richard Vida wrote that Komodo benefit's hugely from SSE.

Best
Frank