Houdini 1.5 v Komodo 3 at long time control

PawnStormZ · Post by **PawnStormZ** » Tue Sep 20, 2011 5:51 am

Game 100

[Event ""]
[Site "ChessPalace"]
[Date "2011.09.18"]
[Round "50.2"]
[White "Houdini_1.5"]
[Black "Komodo 3"]
[Result "1-0"]
[Time "2:03:30 PM"]
[TimeControl "40/7200:20/3600:1800+10"]
[PlyCount "153"]
[Number "100"]
[Termination "checkmate"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]
[Variant "normal"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbq1rk1/1p3pbp/p2ppnp1/2pP4/P1P1P3/2N2N1P/1P3PP1/R1BQKB1R w KQ - 0 1"]

[d] rnbq1rk1/1p3pbp/p2ppnp1/2pP4/P1P1P3/2N2N1P/1P3PP1/R1BQKB1R w KQ - 0 1
{ I7 920 x64 }
1.Bd3 {[%eval 40,23] [%emt 00:03:15] [%clk 1:56:44]} a5 {[%eval -45,24] [%emt 00:03:54] [%clk 1:56:05]}
2.O-O {[%eval 40,23] [%emt 00:01:17] [%clk 1:55:26]} Qb6 {[%eval -37,23] [%emt 00:03:04] [%clk 1:53:00]}
3.Nb5 {[%eval 46,22] [%emt 00:02:47] [%clk 1:52:38]} e5 {[%eval -43,24] [%emt 00:00:37] [%clk 1:52:23]}
4.Nh2 {[%eval 42,23] [%emt 00:02:16] [%clk 1:50:21]} Na6 {[%eval -44,25] [%emt 00:00:59] [%clk 1:51:24]}
5.f4 {[%eval 53,23] [%emt 00:08:36] [%clk 1:41:45]} Nb4 {[%eval -50,22] [%emt 00:04:04] [%clk 1:47:20]}
6.fxe5 {[%eval 57,23] [%emt 00:00:00] [%clk 1:41:45]} dxe5 {[%eval -27,21] [%emt 00:00:57] [%clk 1:46:22]}
7.Bb1 {[%eval 56,24] [%emt 00:04:24] [%clk 1:37:20]} Nh5 {[%eval -37,21] [%emt 00:01:26] [%clk 1:44:56]}
8.Ra3 {[%eval 64,22] [%emt 00:02:20] [%clk 1:35:00]} Qd8 {[%eval -44,21] [%emt 00:04:30] [%clk 1:40:25]}
9.Ng4 {[%eval 72,23] [%emt 00:02:39] [%clk 1:32:20]} Nf4 {[%eval -51,22] [%emt 00:04:21] [%clk 1:36:04]}
10.Kh2 {[%eval 65,22] [%emt 00:00:00] [%clk 1:32:20]} Bd7 {[%eval -57,22] [%emt 00:04:03] [%clk 1:32:01]}
11.Rc3 {[%eval 70,21] [%emt 00:00:11] [%clk 1:32:09]} Qh4 {[%eval -65,20] [%emt 00:03:55] [%clk 1:28:05]}
12.Nf2 {[%eval 66,23] [%emt 00:00:00] [%clk 1:32:09]} Qe7 {[%eval -67,22] [%emt 00:03:50] [%clk 1:24:15]}
13.g3 {[%eval 72,24] [%emt 00:03:15] [%clk 1:28:54]} Nh5 {[%eval -65,25] [%emt 00:02:17] [%clk 1:21:57]}
14.Rf3 {[%eval 72,23] [%emt 00:09:14] [%clk 1:19:40]} Rad8 {[%eval -64,21] [%emt 00:04:51] [%clk 1:17:06]}
15.Ng4 {[%eval 76,21] [%emt 00:02:59] [%clk 1:16:40]} Kh8 {[%eval -64,21] [%emt 00:03:38] [%clk 1:13:27]}
16.Be3 {[%eval 78,22] [%emt 00:00:00] [%clk 1:16:40]} f6 {[%eval -78,23] [%emt 00:03:41] [%clk 1:09:46]}
17.b3 {[%eval 83,22] [%emt 00:03:08] [%clk 1:13:32]} Bxb5 {[%eval -75,24] [%emt 00:01:25] [%clk 1:08:20]}
18.axb5 {[%eval 83,22] [%emt 00:02:56] [%clk 1:10:35]} b6 {[%eval -77,24] [%emt 00:01:17] [%clk 1:07:03]}
19.Nf2 {[%eval 81,22] [%emt 00:02:49] [%clk 1:07:46]} Rde8 {[%eval -64,24] [%emt 00:04:39] [%clk 1:02:24]}
20.Kg2 {[%eval 107,22] [%emt 00:01:34] [%clk 1:06:11]} Qd6 {[%eval -66,24] [%emt 00:04:53] [%clk 0:57:31]}
21.Qc1 {[%eval 154,21] [%emt 00:07:38] [%clk 0:58:32]} Re7 {[%eval -68,24] [%emt 00:04:37] [%clk 0:52:53]}
22.g4 {[%eval 182,20] [%emt 00:04:15] [%clk 0:54:17]} Nf4+ {[%eval -144,22] [%emt 00:03:28] [%clk 0:49:24]}
23.Bxf4 {[%eval 186,21] [%emt 00:00:08] [%clk 0:54:08]} exf4 {[%eval -144,19] [%emt 00:00:04] [%clk 0:49:20]}
24.Qxf4 {[%eval 195,19] [%emt 00:03:27] [%clk 0:50:41]} Re5 {[%eval -164,21] [%emt 00:01:14] [%clk 0:48:06]}
25.h4 {[%eval 190,19] [%emt 00:03:43] [%clk 0:46:58]} Kg8 {[%eval -190,21] [%emt 00:03:22] [%clk 0:44:44]}
26.Qg3 {[%eval 229,20] [%emt 00:00:00] [%clk 0:46:58]} Rd8 {[%eval -209,21] [%emt 00:03:44] [%clk 0:41:00]}
27.Nh3 {[%eval 300,18] [%emt 00:03:50] [%clk 0:43:08]} Ree8 {[%eval -254,22] [%emt 00:05:37] [%clk 0:35:22]}
28.h5 {[%eval 335,21] [%emt 00:03:15] [%clk 0:39:53]} g5 {[%eval -257,21] [%emt 00:03:55] [%clk 0:31:27]}
29.h6 {[%eval 517,20] [%emt 00:01:15] [%clk 0:38:38]} Qxg3+ {[%eval -404,23] [%emt 00:04:54] [%clk 0:26:33]}
30.Kxg3 {[%eval 522,22] [%emt 00:00:00] [%clk 0:38:38]} Bxh6 {[%eval -430,23] [%emt 00:01:10] [%clk 0:25:23]}
31.Rxf6 {[%eval 464,21] [%emt 00:00:05] [%clk 0:38:33]} Bg7 {[%eval -444,24] [%emt 00:01:28] [%clk 0:23:55]}
32.Rxb6 {[%eval 482,21] [%emt 00:00:00] [%clk 0:38:33]} h6 {[%eval -460,25] [%emt 00:03:45] [%clk 0:20:09]}
33.Rg6 {[%eval 505,24] [%emt 00:06:37] [%clk 0:31:56]} Rd6 {[%eval -461,26] [%emt 00:00:37] [%clk 0:19:31]}
34.Rxd6 {[%eval 546,23] [%emt 00:01:56] [%clk 0:30:00]} Be5+ {[%eval -500,28] [%emt 00:02:35] [%clk 0:16:56]}
35.Kg2 {[%eval 562,25] [%emt 00:08:37] [%clk 0:21:22]} Bxd6 {[%eval -544,24] [%emt 00:00:40] [%clk 0:16:15]}
36.Rf6 {[%eval 544,24] [%emt 00:00:00] [%clk 0:21:22]} Bf8 {[%eval -512,27] [%emt 00:02:38] [%clk 0:13:37]}
37.b6 {[%eval 527,24] [%emt 00:10:11] [%clk 0:11:11]} Kg7 {[%eval -421,26] [%emt 00:03:23] [%clk 0:10:13]}
38.e5 {[%eval 564,21] [%emt 00:00:27] [%clk 0:10:44]} Rxe5 {[%eval -430,26] [%emt 00:00:41] [%clk 0:09:32]}
39.b7 {[%eval 593,22] [%emt 00:00:00] [%clk 0:10:44]} Re8 {[%eval -430,28] [%emt 00:02:20] [%clk 0:07:12]}
40.Rb6 {[%eval 593,21] [%emt 00:00:00] [%clk 0:10:44]} Rb8 {[%eval -442,26] [%emt 00:00:45] [%clk 0:06:27]}
41.Nf2 {[%eval 594,20] [%emt 00:00:04] [%clk 1:10:40]} Be7 {[%eval -459,28] [%emt 00:02:03] [%clk 1:04:24]}
42.Ne4 {[%eval 599,24] [%emt 00:00:00] [%clk 1:10:40]} Kf7 {[%eval -460,28] [%emt 00:03:07] [%clk 1:01:17]}
43.Rxh6 {[%eval 655,22] [%emt 00:00:16] [%clk 1:10:23]} Kg7 {[%eval -500,27] [%emt 00:02:52] [%clk 0:58:25]}
44.Rh3 {[%eval 695,24] [%emt 00:00:00] [%clk 1:10:23]} Rxb7 {[%eval -496,27] [%emt 00:03:05] [%clk 0:55:19]}
45.Nxc5 {[%eval 726,24] [%emt 00:00:00] [%clk 1:10:23]} Bxc5 {[%eval -558,31] [%emt 00:04:39] [%clk 0:50:39]}
46.Rh7+ {[%eval 779,26] [%emt 00:00:00] [%clk 1:10:24]} Kf6 {[%eval -565,32] [%emt 00:02:40] [%clk 0:47:59]}
47.Rxb7 {[%eval 836,28] [%emt 00:11:34] [%clk 0:58:49]} Ke5 {[%eval -609,36] [%emt 00:00:14] [%clk 0:47:45]}
48.Rb5 {[%eval 791,27] [%emt 00:00:06] [%clk 0:58:43]} Be7 {[%eval -615,34] [%emt 00:03:38] [%clk 0:44:06]}
49.Rxa5 {[%eval 834,26] [%emt 00:05:44] [%clk 0:52:59]} Kd4 {[%eval -615,36] [%emt 00:01:42] [%clk 0:42:24]}
50.Ra8 {[%eval 859,25] [%emt 00:00:00] [%clk 0:52:59]} Kc3 {[%eval -534,27] [%emt 00:00:26] [%clk 0:41:58]}
51.Re8 {[%eval 861,24] [%emt 00:00:00] [%clk 0:52:59]} Bc5 {[%eval -562,29] [%emt 00:01:23] [%clk 0:40:34]}
52.Re6 {[%eval 1029,28] [%emt 00:15:49] [%clk 0:37:10]} Kxb3 {[%eval -696,32] [%emt 00:03:27] [%clk 0:37:07]}
53.d6 {[%eval 1042,27] [%emt 00:08:44] [%clk 0:28:25]} Nc6 {[%eval -1063,28] [%emt 00:11:40] [%clk 0:25:27]}
54.d7 {[%eval 1063,28] [%emt 00:00:00] [%clk 0:28:25]} Nd8 {[%eval -770,31] [%emt 00:00:42] [%clk 0:24:45]}
55.Re8 {[%eval 1052,27] [%emt 00:00:32] [%clk 0:27:53]} Bb6 {[%eval -765,30] [%emt 00:01:36] [%clk 0:23:09]}
56.c5 {[%eval 1064,26] [%emt 00:01:52] [%clk 0:26:01]} Bc7 {[%eval -758,32] [%emt 00:04:05] [%clk 0:19:03]}
57.Re4 {[%eval 1064,28] [%emt 00:00:00] [%clk 0:26:01]} Nc6 {[%eval -758,27] [%emt 00:00:12] [%clk 0:18:51]}
58.Bd3 {[%eval 1151,27] [%emt 00:02:28] [%clk 0:23:32]} Kc3 {[%eval -765,34] [%emt 00:00:44] [%clk 0:18:06]}
59.Bb5 {[%eval 1161,26] [%emt 00:00:06] [%clk 0:23:25]} Nd4 {[%eval -765,31] [%emt 00:00:24] [%clk 0:17:42]}
60.Bf1 {[%eval 1184,25] [%emt 00:01:22] [%clk 0:22:03]} Nc6 {[%eval -750,34] [%emt 00:17:31] [%clk 0:00:10]}
61.Kf3 {[%eval 1184,24] [%emt 00:00:07] [%clk 0:51:56]} Bd8 {[%eval -773,27] [%emt 00:01:07] [%clk 0:29:03]}
62.Ke3 {[%eval 1330,23] [%emt 00:01:42] [%clk 0:50:23]} Bc7 {[%eval -852,28] [%emt 00:00:19] [%clk 0:29:03]}
63.Re8 {[%eval 1573,22] [%emt 00:01:30] [%clk 0:49:02]} Ba5 {[%eval -874,30] [%emt 00:01:11] [%clk 0:28:02]}
64.Ke4 {[%eval 1919,20] [%emt 00:01:24] [%clk 0:47:48]} Kb4 {[%eval -2137,20] [%emt 00:01:24] [%clk 0:26:58]}
65.Kd5 {[%eval 3366,19] [%emt 00:00:19] [%clk 0:47:39]} Nd8 {[%eval -1939,24] [%emt 00:00:12] [%clk 0:27:05]}
66.c6 {[%eval 32731,20] [%emt 00:00:00] [%clk 0:47:49]} Nf7 {[%eval -32731,23] [%emt 00:01:45] [%clk 0:25:29]}
67.Rc8 {[%eval 32745,26] [%emt 00:00:00] [%clk 0:47:59]} Kc3 {[%eval -32735,20] [%emt 00:00:16] [%clk 0:25:13]}
68.c7 {[%eval 32747,25] [%emt 00:00:00] [%clk 0:48:09]} Kd2 {[%eval -32737,18] [%emt 00:00:12] [%clk 0:25:01]}
69.d8=Q {[%eval 32751,27] [%emt 00:00:29] [%clk 0:47:50]} Nxd8 {[%eval -32753,19] [%emt 00:00:10] [%clk 0:24:50]}
70.cxd8=Q {[%eval 32753,28] [%emt 00:00:00] [%clk 0:48:00]} Bxd8 {[%eval -32753,10] [%emt 00:00:00] [%clk 0:25:01]}
71.Rxd8 {[%eval 32755,27] [%emt 00:00:01] [%clk 0:48:08]} Ke3 {[%eval 0,0] [%emt 00:00:00] [%clk 0:25:11]}
72.Rf8 {[%eval 32757,26] [%emt 00:00:00] [%clk 0:48:18]} Kd2 {[%eval 0,0] [%emt 00:00:00] [%clk 0:25:21]}
73.Kc4 {[%eval 32759,25] [%emt 00:00:00] [%clk 0:48:28]} Kc2 {[%eval -32759,7] [%emt 00:00:00] [%clk 0:25:21]}
74.Bd3+ {[%eval 32761,36] [%emt 00:00:00] [%clk 0:48:38]} Kb2 {[%eval 0,0] [%emt 00:00:00] [%clk 0:25:31]}
75.Rb8+ {[%eval 32763,15] [%emt 00:00:00] [%clk 0:48:48]} Kc1 {[%eval -32765,3] [%emt 00:00:00] [%clk 0:25:41]}
76.Kc3 {[%eval 32765,40] [%emt 00:00:00] [%clk 0:48:58]} Kd1 {[%eval 0,0] [%emt 00:00:00] [%clk 0:25:51]}
77.Rb1+ {[%eval 32767,43] [%emt 00:00:00] [%clk 0:49:08]}
1-0

PawnStormZ · Post by **PawnStormZ** » Tue Sep 20, 2011 5:55 am

Standings after game 100

Houdini 1.5 56.0 + 29 = 54 - 17
Komodo 3 44.0 + 17 = 54 - 29

ernest · Post by **ernest** » Tue Sep 20, 2011 4:38 pm

Now just the same thing again with Houdini 2.0 ?...

gerold · Post by **gerold** » Tue Sep 20, 2011 8:14 pm

ernest wrote:Now just the same thing again with Houdini 2.0 ?...

+1

PawnStormZ · Post by **PawnStormZ** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 1:49 am

sure Ernest, treat me to a copy of 2.0 and I will run 200 games for you

PawnStormZ · Post by **PawnStormZ** » Wed Sep 21, 2011 1:56 am

For those interested, the games are here...

http://www.datafilehost.com/download-3afb2057.html

Paloma · Post by **Paloma** » Sat Oct 01, 2011 8:20 pm

download doesn't work

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Don · Post by **Don** » Thu Oct 06, 2011 3:47 pm

PawnStormZ wrote:
Standings after game 100

Houdini 1.5 56.0 + 29 = 54 - 17
Komodo 3 44.0 + 17 = 54 - 29

Hi Pal,

I removed the forfeit game and rated the match and get this:

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Rank Name           Elo      +      -    games   score   oppo.   draws 
   1 Houdini_1.5  3032.4   62.2   62.2      99   55.6%  3000.0   54.5% 
   2 Komodo 3     3000.0   62.2   62.2      99   44.4%  3032.4   54.5%

We have a development version now that is about 30 ELO stronger, would you be willing to test it under the same conditions if I send you a version? I would like to see 200 games but even 100 games would be good - I think the match would be very close.

Also, I would like to see a similar match with Houdini 2.0 - Larry and I suspect that Houdini 2 is much stronger at fast time controls and slightly weaker at longer time controls but we have not proved that yet as it would take thousands of long time control games to be able to say that with any reasonable certainty.

PM me with your email address if you are interested.

Don

beram · Post by **beram** » Sat Oct 08, 2011 10:18 pm

Don wrote:
PawnStormZ wrote:
..Hi Pal,

I removed the forfeit game and rated the match and get this:
Code: Select all
Rank Name           Elo      +      -    games   score   oppo.   draws 
   1 Houdini_1.5  3032.4   62.2   62.2      99   55.6%  3000.0   54.5% 
   2 Komodo 3     3000.0   62.2   62.2      99   44.4%  3032.4   54.5% 
..I suspect that Houdini 2 is much stronger at fast time controls and slightly weaker at longer time controls but we have not proved that yet as it would take thousands of long time control games to be able to say that with any reasonable certainty...
Don
Dear Don,
I would suppose the opposite, according to CEGT tests it is rather the other way around
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33	Komodo 3.0 x64 1CPU -3157	2000	+962	-356	=682	65.2 %	perf.
10	Houdini 2.0 x64 1CPU - 3231	100	+ 13	= 43	- 44	34.5 %	3120
11	Houdini 1.5 x64 1CPU - 3230	100	+ 22	= 33	- 45	38.5 %	3149
40-4 CEGT

35	Komodo 3.0 x64 -3140	842	+323	-157	=362	59.9 %	perf.
12	Houdini 1.5a x64 1CPU - 3202	50	+ 14	= 18	- 18	46.0 %	3175
13	Houdini 2.0 x64 1CPU - 3188	50	+ 7	= 23	- 20	37.0 %	3096
40-20 CEGT
kind regards Bram

Don · Post by **Don** » Sun Oct 09, 2011 3:41 am

beram wrote:
Don wrote:
PawnStormZ wrote:
..Hi Pal,

I removed the forfeit game and rated the match and get this:
Code: Select all
Rank Name           Elo      +      -    games   score   oppo.   draws 
   1 Houdini_1.5  3032.4   62.2   62.2      99   55.6%  3000.0   54.5% 
   2 Komodo 3     3000.0   62.2   62.2      99   44.4%  3032.4   54.5% 
..I suspect that Houdini 2 is much stronger at fast time controls and slightly weaker at longer time controls but we have not proved that yet as it would take thousands of long time control games to be able to say that with any reasonable certainty...
Don
Dear Don,
I would suppose the opposite, according to CEGT tests it is rather the other way around
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33	Komodo 3.0 x64 1CPU -3157	2000	+962	-356	=682	65.2 %	perf.
10	Houdini 2.0 x64 1CPU - 3231	100	+ 13	= 43	- 44	34.5 %	3120
11	Houdini 1.5 x64 1CPU - 3230	100	+ 22	= 33	- 45	38.5 %	3149
40-4 CEGT

35	Komodo 3.0 x64 -3140	842	+323	-157	=362	59.9 %	perf.
12	Houdini 1.5a x64 1CPU - 3202	50	+ 14	= 18	- 18	46.0 %	3175
13	Houdini 2.0 x64 1CPU - 3188	50	+ 7	= 23	- 20	37.0 %	3096
40-20 CEGT
kind regards Bram
This table is not statistically significant with such a few games. As I just said it would take a lot of games to say with anything with much certainty.