A case of cheating in an internet tournament

[Olivier Deville]

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Olivier

[Albert Silver]

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Olivier

Opinion: Cheaters are pathetic scumbags

[Olivier Deville]

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Olivier

Opinion: Cheaters are pathetic scumbags

Of course Albert.

I just need 2 or 3 people to check the game and confirm that the moves were from Fruit 2.1.

Olivier

[JuLieN]

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Olivier

Opinion: Cheaters are pathetic scumbags

Of course Albert.

I just need 2 or 3 people to check the game and confirm that the moves were from Fruit 2.1.

Olivier

Olivier, this is not my idea of a fair punishment, but I can't deny it has some appeal to the victim of a cheater and would make any cheater wannabe think twice next time:
http://www.PhuckedTube.com/contents/mem ... 9651-4.jpg

BEWARE: this is the picture of a man who hung himself by his scrotum, so do NOT click on this link if you think you'd be offended (this is also why I put a link to the picture instead of directly displaying the picture itself).

[h1a8]

For many people, cheating is fun when they can't win reliably by not cheating. Those who are cheated will not feel the fun. So cheat! LOL just kidding.

[mwyoung]

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Olivier

Yes, all the moves produced are played by Fruit 2.1. I did a quick calcuation. And came up with a good human player on a good day to produce all the exact moves played in the game by fruit 2.1 to be 29,160 to 1. So it could happen that the player did play the move, but not highly likely.

The odds are lower then you would think, because there many moves were only 1 move is clearly best from moves 11 to 31 in the game.


I used a low .1 of a pawn for my odds calculation, but I wanted to give the human player the best benefit of the doubt.

[M ANSARI]

Cheating is terrible, but accusing an innocent person of cheating is even worse! The moves played could easily have been played by a human. Anyway if you are playing an online game, you are bound to come across a cheater eventually ... so just live with it. I mean what if someone comes up with the output of Fruit 2.1 for a few moves, then switches to Komodo 3 for a few moves, then finishes off with Rybka 4.1 for a few moves. The idea that the person cheated with F 2.1 seems to only show that IF he did cheat, he obviously has no clue of what the strongest chess engines are today. So unless you have better proof, it is best to err on the "person is innocent" side.

[Olivier Deville]

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Olivier

Opinion: Cheaters are pathetic scumbags

Of course Albert.

I just need 2 or 3 people to check the game and confirm that the moves were from Fruit 2.1.

Olivier

Olivier, this is not my idea of a fair punishment, but I can't deny it has some appeal to the victim of a cheater and would make any cheater wannabe think twice next time:
http://www.PhuckedTube.com/contents/mem ... 9651-4.jpg

BEWARE: this is the picture of a man who hung himself by his scrotum, so do NOT click on this link if you think you'd be offended (this is also why I put a link to the picture instead of directly displaying the picture itself).

Hello Julien

Sure, let's hang him by the balls

Actually if you think he needs a lawyer, I can give you his email address... but I'm not 100% sure he will pay your fees in the end

Olivier

[shiv]

A lot depends on the opponent's rating. If his rating is > 2200, he might not be cheating, though there seems to be reasonable cause for suspicion. I personally found g5 to be a committal move to make. Playing this move fast is suspicious. After that, the Ba6 followed by Bc8 maneuver to stop b3 and gain a tempo on Bf5 is clever, if he played this sequence fast, cheating is likely.

His 26.. Rh5 move looks the most suspicious to me, why go to h5 when e7 for example seems reasonable. 28.. Rf5 is odd as well when the f2 pawn is hanging (why not Nf2). These moves especially if played fast are most unexpected of humans.

I don't believe in the theory of only using a computer to check his moves. There are many games where humans played the top choice of machines. It depends on the difficulty in finding the moves and the nature of the position (quiet vs tactical).

[Olivier Deville]

Cheating is terrible, but accusing an innocent person of cheating is even worse! The moves played could easily have been played by a human. Anyway if you are playing an online game, you are bound to come across a cheater eventually ... so just live with it. I mean what if someone comes up with the output of Fruit 2.1 for a few moves, then switches to Komodo 3 for a few moves, then finishes off with Rybka 4.1 for a few moves. The idea that the person cheated with F 2.1 seems to only show that IF he did cheat, he obviously has no clue of what the strongest chess engines are today. So unless you have better proof, it is best to err on the "person is innocent" side.

I certainly agree with the rule "innocent until proven guilty". In my opinion, the evidence is there and the guy cheated, but I have no problem if you think otherwise.

Though, I strongly disagree with the "live with it" part of your post. Cheaters, cloners and such must be fought and eradicated from our community.

Olivier