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Re: Plagiarism

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Rebel wrote:
hgm wrote:The ICGA can of course impose whatever they want. They could require participants to hang from the ceiling during the entire game... The WCCC is their tournament!
I meant impose their will on the rest of the world, such as this beauty from the Panel report:

● encourage other tournaments (Leiden, Paderborn, CCT, TACCL, etc.) to disallow the entry of Rybka until it is proven “clean”.
Try your favorite wiki again. "impose" != "encourage"...
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Re: Plagiarism

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Rebel wrote:
hgm wrote:The ICGA can of course impose whatever they want. They could require participants to hang from the ceiling during the entire game... The WCCC is their tournament!
I meant impose their will on the rest of the world, such as this beauty from the Panel report:

● encourage other tournaments (Leiden, Paderborn, CCT, TACCL, etc.) to disallow the entry of Rybka until it is proven “clean”.
I don't understand that statement - "encourage .... until it is proven clean". IIRC, the evidence showed that R3 and R4 were likely clean of all eval issues. That leaves only the transposition table code.
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Re: Plagiarism

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CRoberson wrote:
Rebel wrote:
hgm wrote:The ICGA can of course impose whatever they want. They could require participants to hang from the ceiling during the entire game... The WCCC is their tournament!
I meant impose their will on the rest of the world, such as this beauty from the Panel report:

● encourage other tournaments (Leiden, Paderborn, CCT, TACCL, etc.) to disallow the entry of Rybka until it is proven “clean”.
I don't understand that statement - "encourage .... until it is proven clean". IIRC, the evidence showed that R3 and R4 were likely clean of all eval issues. That leaves only the transposition table code.
Not true. They weren't reviewed by the panel beyond R 2.3.2a, others may have looked at the latter but is inconclusive.
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Re: Plagiarism

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Terry McCracken wrote:
CRoberson wrote:
Rebel wrote:
hgm wrote:The ICGA can of course impose whatever they want. They could require participants to hang from the ceiling during the entire game... The WCCC is their tournament!
I meant impose their will on the rest of the world, such as this beauty from the Panel report:

● encourage other tournaments (Leiden, Paderborn, CCT, TACCL, etc.) to disallow the entry of Rybka until it is proven “clean”.
I don't understand that statement - "encourage .... until it is proven clean". IIRC, the evidence showed that R3 and R4 were likely clean of all eval issues. That leaves only the transposition table code.
Not true. They weren't reviewed by the panel beyond R 2.3.2a, others may have looked at the latter but is inconclusive.
R3 was discussed by the panel.
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Re: Plagiarism

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CRoberson wrote:
Terry McCracken wrote:
CRoberson wrote:
Rebel wrote:
hgm wrote:The ICGA can of course impose whatever they want. They could require participants to hang from the ceiling during the entire game... The WCCC is their tournament!
I meant impose their will on the rest of the world, such as this beauty from the Panel report:

● encourage other tournaments (Leiden, Paderborn, CCT, TACCL, etc.) to disallow the entry of Rybka until it is proven “clean”.
I don't understand that statement - "encourage .... until it is proven clean". IIRC, the evidence showed that R3 and R4 were likely clean of all eval issues. That leaves only the transposition table code.
Not true. They weren't reviewed by the panel beyond R 2.3.2a, others may have looked at the latter but is inconclusive.
R3 was discussed by the panel.
Yes it was but I don't believe it was fully analysed. Bob or many others that were involved with the investigation could elaborate on this.
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Re: Plagiarism

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Terry McCracken wrote:
CRoberson wrote:
Terry McCracken wrote:
CRoberson wrote:
Rebel wrote:
hgm wrote:The ICGA can of course impose whatever they want. They could require participants to hang from the ceiling during the entire game... The WCCC is their tournament!
I meant impose their will on the rest of the world, such as this beauty from the Panel report:

● encourage other tournaments (Leiden, Paderborn, CCT, TACCL, etc.) to disallow the entry of Rybka until it is proven “clean”.
I don't understand that statement - "encourage .... until it is proven clean". IIRC, the evidence showed that R3 and R4 were likely clean of all eval issues. That leaves only the transposition table code.
Not true. They weren't reviewed by the panel beyond R 2.3.2a, others may have looked at the latter but is inconclusive.
R3 was discussed by the panel.
Yes it was but I don't believe it was fully analysed. Bob or many others that were involved with the investigation could elaborate on this.
Please review the names of the panel members.
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Re: Plagiarism

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CRoberson wrote:
Terry McCracken wrote:
CRoberson wrote:
Terry McCracken wrote:
CRoberson wrote:
Rebel wrote:
hgm wrote:The ICGA can of course impose whatever they want. They could require participants to hang from the ceiling during the entire game... The WCCC is their tournament!
I meant impose their will on the rest of the world, such as this beauty from the Panel report:

● encourage other tournaments (Leiden, Paderborn, CCT, TACCL, etc.) to disallow the entry of Rybka until it is proven “clean”.
I don't understand that statement - "encourage .... until it is proven clean". IIRC, the evidence showed that R3 and R4 were likely clean of all eval issues. That leaves only the transposition table code.
Not true. They weren't reviewed by the panel beyond R 2.3.2a, others may have looked at the latter but is inconclusive.
R3 was discussed by the panel.
Yes it was but I don't believe it was fully analysed. Bob or many others that were involved with the investigation could elaborate on this.
Please review the names of the panel members.
Why?
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Re: Plagiarism

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Rebel wrote:
http://www.webster.edu/students/plagiar ... rism.shtml

What is plagiarism?

Plagiarism means “to steal and pass off (the ideas or words of another) as one's own” or to “use (another's production) without crediting the source” (Mirriam-Webster.com).

Following Webster taking ideas without crediting the source is plagiarism.

Don wrote:
You are taking a dictionary definition way out of context and being unreasonable.

I typed the word Plagiarism into Google, I list the first 3 pages:

Ed

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Plagiarism: The adoption or reproduction of original creations of another author (person, collective, organization, community or other type of author, including anonymous authors) without due acknowledgment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Academic_dishonesty

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When Do We Give Credit?

The key to avoiding plagiarism is to make sure you give credit where it is due. This may be credit for something somebody said, wrote, emailed, drew, or implied.

http://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/resource/589/02/

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What is Plagiarism?

Many people think of plagiarism as copying another's work, or borrowing someone else's original ideas. But terms like "copying" and "borrowing" can disguise the seriousness of the offense:

According to the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary, to "plagiarize" means

•to steal and pass off (the ideas or words of another) as one's own
•to use (another's production) without crediting the source
•to commit literary theft
•to present as new and original an idea or product derived from an existing source.
In other words, plagiarism is an act of fraud. It involves both stealing someone else's work and lying about it afterward.

But can words and ideas really be stolen?

According to U.S. law, the answer is yes. The expression of original ideas is considered intellectual property, and is protected by copyright laws, just like original inventions. Almost all forms of expression fall under copyright protection as long as they are recorded in some way (such as a book or a computer file).

All of the following are considered plagiarism:

•turning in someone else's work as your own
•copying words or ideas from someone else without giving credit
•failing to put a quotation in quotation marks
•giving incorrect information about the source of a quotation
•changing words but copying the sentence structure of a source without giving credit
•copying so many words or ideas from a source that it makes up the majority of your work, whether you give credit or not (see our section on "fair use" rules)

Most cases of plagiarism can be avoided, however, by citing sources. Simply acknowledging that certain material has been borrowed, and providing your audience with the information necessary to find that source, is usually enough to prevent plagiarism. See our section on citation for more information on how to cite sources properly.

http://www.plagiarism.org/plag_article_ ... arism.html
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Re: Plagiarism

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*Yawn*
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Re: Plagiarism

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CRoberson wrote:
Rebel wrote:
hgm wrote:The ICGA can of course impose whatever they want. They could require participants to hang from the ceiling during the entire game... The WCCC is their tournament!
I meant impose their will on the rest of the world, such as this beauty from the Panel report:

● encourage other tournaments (Leiden, Paderborn, CCT, TACCL, etc.) to disallow the entry of Rybka until it is proven “clean”.
I don't understand that statement - "encourage .... until it is proven clean". IIRC, the evidence showed that R3 and R4 were likely clean of all eval issues. That leaves only the transposition table code.
Where did you see any evidence about R3 and R4? Do you REALLY want to take the untenable position that R3 is a COMPLETE rewrite of R2? Who develops software like that? Nobody I know of...