mwyoung wrote:I wonder what program will be listed first Komodo 4 4cpu or Houdini 2.0 4cpu?
Larry Kaufman Quote "CCRL does 40/40 ratings, and usually a new engine will have a well-established rating on their list within a week or two."
Well Mark - it would nice to be that efficient, but it's not always possible unfortunately.
Which engines are tested and in what order is usually at the discretion of those doing the testing. I think that we currently have two testers who carry out 40/40 4CPU testing and both have had other priorities in recent times.
We do our best. Meantime there are many other rating lists that you can look at to get an overall picture of how things stack up.
Larry is dead on accurate in his quote when it comes to Komodo 4. You are very efficent I see in testing what you want to test..... 408 games in a few days. You are very efficient.
I have no doubt you have other priorities other then testing Houdini 2.0 at 4cpu. Since it will most likely top your 40/40 rating list.
CCRL dislikes Houdini, and I understand your computer chess rating site does have other higher priorities then testing the strongest engine on the planet, but an unbias one would not.
I think that most members will be able to see post for what it really is - an attack on CCRL just for the sake of it.
To see how well we've tested Houdini, just take a look at the information provided by both Adam and myself.
There is no perfect rating list and that's why we've always advocated that one should look at them all to get an overall picture.
Graham,
How about we let all the CCC members see how fast the CCRL testers can fall all over themselves when it comes to testing Komodo 4 MP when released.
It will be a High priority....
Anyone want to bet it will not take months to test Komodo 4 MP with 4CPU at 40/40
How about we let all the CCC members see how fast the CCRL testers can fall all over themselves when it comes to testing Komodo 4 MP when released.
It will be a High priority....
Anyone want to bet it will not take months to test Komodo 4 MP with 4CPU at 40/40
I would expect Komodo 4 MP will be tested much more quickly than Houdini 2 for the obvious reason that it will be the first Komodo MP whereas Houdini 2 is at best a very minor upgrade or perhaps none at all. If I were a tester I would be more excited about testing a new top MP engine than an upgrade. This is not bias, it is just common sense.
How about we let all the CCC members see how fast the CCRL testers can fall all over themselves when it comes to testing Komodo 4 MP when released.
It will be a High priority....
Anyone want to bet it will not take months to test Komodo 4 MP with 4CPU at 40/40
I would expect Komodo 4 MP will be tested much more quickly than Houdini 2 for the obvious reason that it will be the first Komodo MP whereas Houdini 2 is at best a very minor upgrade or perhaps none at all. If I were a tester I would be more excited about testing a new top MP engine than an upgrade. This is not bias, it is just common sense.
To be fair Larry, I do feel embarrassed that we've not given Houdini 2.0 4CPU more games in our 40/40 testing, but the reason is certainly not bias.
mwyoung wrote:I wonder what program will be listed first Komodo 4 4cpu or Houdini 2.0 4cpu?
Larry Kaufman Quote "CCRL does 40/40 ratings, and usually a new engine will have a well-established rating on their list within a week or two."
Well Mark - it would nice to be that efficient, but it's not always possible unfortunately.
Which engines are tested and in what order is usually at the discretion of those doing the testing. I think that we currently have two testers who carry out 40/40 4CPU testing and both have had other priorities in recent times.
We do our best. Meantime there are many other rating lists that you can look at to get an overall picture of how things stack up.
Larry is dead on accurate in his quote when it comes to Komodo 4. You are very efficent I see in testing what you want to test..... 408 games in a few days. You are very efficient.
I have no doubt you have other priorities other then testing Houdini 2.0 at 4cpu. Since it will most likely top your 40/40 rating list.
CCRL dislikes Houdini, and I understand your computer chess rating site does have other higher priorities then testing the strongest engine on the planet, but an unbias one would not.
How about we let all the CCC members see how fast the CCRL testers can fall all over themselves when it comes to testing Komodo 4 MP when released.
It will be a High priority....
Anyone want to bet it will not take months to test Komodo 4 MP with 4CPU at 40/40
I would expect Komodo 4 MP will be tested much more quickly than Houdini 2 for the obvious reason that it will be the first Komodo MP whereas Houdini 2 is at best a very minor upgrade or perhaps none at all. If I were a tester I would be more excited about testing a new top MP engine than an upgrade. This is not bias, it is just common sense.
How about we let all the CCC members see how fast the CCRL testers can fall all over themselves when it comes to testing Komodo 4 MP when released.
It will be a High priority....
Anyone want to bet it will not take months to test Komodo 4 MP with 4CPU at 40/40
I would expect Komodo 4 MP will be tested much more quickly than Houdini 2 for the obvious reason that it will be the first Komodo MP whereas Houdini 2 is at best a very minor upgrade or perhaps none at all. If I were a tester I would be more excited about testing a new top MP engine than an upgrade. This is not bias, it is just common sense.
To be fair Larry, I do feel embarrassed that we've not given Houdini 2.0 4CPU more games in our 40/40 testing, but the reason is certainly not bias.
How about we let all the CCC members see how fast the CCRL testers can fall all over themselves when it comes to testing Komodo 4 MP when released.
It will be a High priority....
Anyone want to bet it will not take months to test Komodo 4 MP with 4CPU at 40/40
I would expect Komodo 4 MP will be tested much more quickly than Houdini 2 for the obvious reason that it will be the first Komodo MP whereas Houdini 2 is at best a very minor upgrade or perhaps none at all. If I were a tester I would be more excited about testing a new top MP engine than an upgrade. This is not bias, it is just common sense.
To be fair Larry, I do feel embarrassed that we've not given Houdini 2.0 4CPU more games in our 40/40 testing, but the reason is certainly not bias.
It is clear Larry does not want to wait months for his testing.
And we all know CCRL intends to test Komodo 4 MP at 4 cpu as fast as possible at the 40/40 time controls. And we all know it will not be months and of low priority like Houdini 2.0 commercal release.
Must people understand how the good old boy system works. And Larry and Don are your good old boys. And that is bias no matter how you want to slice it.
Take CCRL out between the rock and hard place and test all the engines fairly and timely no matter CCRL members personal feelings.
mwyoung wrote:Houdini 2.0 has been out for months, and CCRL has not had time to play enough games to rate Houdini 2.0 on their offical 40/40 rating list. They only had time to play 155 games of the 200 needed. With 155 games Houdini 2.0 is rated #1 on the complete 40/40 rating list with a rating of 3320.
Houdini 2.0 64 bit 4cpu - 155 games: 62 wins, 27 losses, 66 draws (42.6%), score: 61.3% Rating 3320
Amazingly....
Komodo 4 64-bit SSE has been public for a few days and CCRL has played 408 games at 40/40
Here are some newly posted results from CCRL Dated December 29, 2011
CCRL Complete 40/40 rating list rating results with number of games played.
Name Rating Games played
Houdini 2.0 64-bit 4CPU 3320 155
Houdini 1.5a 64-bit 4CPU 3301 695
Houdini 2.0 64-bit 1CPU 3243 1253
Komodo 3 64-bit SSE 3217 604
Komodo 4 64-bit SSE 3211 408
CCRL rating results show that Komodo 4 was not able to catch Houdini 2.0 at 40/40 time controls, and it shows it behind Komodo 3.
You have avoided addressing the facts presented to you. That is a sign of a person who has chosen to see things a certain way and will not let additional data sway their opinion in any way. Very well. Just keep in mind that such a person generally does a poor job of speaking out of against actual inequities.
How about we let all the CCC members see how fast the CCRL testers can fall all over themselves when it comes to testing Komodo 4 MP when released.
It will be a High priority....
Anyone want to bet it will not take months to test Komodo 4 MP with 4CPU at 40/40
I would expect Komodo 4 MP will be tested much more quickly than Houdini 2 for the obvious reason that it will be the first Komodo MP whereas Houdini 2 is at best a very minor upgrade or perhaps none at all. If I were a tester I would be more excited about testing a new top MP engine than an upgrade. This is not bias, it is just common sense.
To be fair Larry, I do feel embarrassed that we've not given Houdini 2.0 4CPU more games in our 40/40 testing, but the reason is certainly not bias.
Why??? I mean really...
Why? Because it is on the 40/40 list, and thus it should get a sufficient number of games played.
How about we let all the CCC members see how fast the CCRL testers can fall all over themselves when it comes to testing Komodo 4 MP when released.
It will be a High priority....
Anyone want to bet it will not take months to test Komodo 4 MP with 4CPU at 40/40
I would expect Komodo 4 MP will be tested much more quickly than Houdini 2 for the obvious reason that it will be the first Komodo MP whereas Houdini 2 is at best a very minor upgrade or perhaps none at all. If I were a tester I would be more excited about testing a new top MP engine than an upgrade. This is not bias, it is just common sense.
To be fair Larry, I do feel embarrassed that we've not given Houdini 2.0 4CPU more games in our 40/40 testing, but the reason is certainly not bias.
It is clear Larry does not want to wait months for his testing.
And we all know CCRL intends to test Komodo 4 MP at 4 cpu as fast as possible at the 40/40 time controls. And we all know it will not be months and of low priority like Houdini 2.0 commercal release.
Must people understand how the good old boy system works. And Larry and Don are your good old boys. And that is bias no matter how you want to slice it.
Take CCRL out between the rock and hard place and test all the engines fairly and timely no matter CCRL members personal feelings.
