Ed Schröder retires from ICGA.

[Harvey Williamson]

Expectedly Harvey paid a short tribute there

Not posted in that thread, back with the made up nonesense already Rolf?

[Rolf]

nonesense already Rolf?

tried to be polite though since I didnt even mention that they chased you out after a couple of minutes, but I didnt care. I saw you just doing your job which leads automatically into bias but that's not your fault. You believe in HIARCS as Champion while I still trust in Rybka as the true Champion. Rybka 5 will soon come out this year.

all the best and I still hope that the two camps should unite again. Apologies to Vas self-understood. And a strong recompensation by the ICGA members, panels and Presidents.

[Harvey Williamson]

nonesense already Rolf?

tried to be polite though since I didnt even mention that they chased you out after a couple of minutes, but I didnt care. I saw you just doing your job which leads automatically into bias but that's not your fault. You believe in HIARCS as Champion while I still trust in Rybka as the true Champion. Rybka 5 will soon come out this year.

all the best and I still hope that the two camps should unite again. Apologies to Vas self-understood. And a strong recompensation by the ICGA members, panels and Presidents.

Rolf I have not posted in the thread where Vas is taking questions go and look.

[bob]

Did you a favor and updated the page, I don't think you will like it. But you forced me. The thing you have to learn is to take responsibility for what you said in the past but is not convenient today.

http://www.top-5000.nl/pst.htm

When did Bob change his name to ICGA Bob?

Nowhere on that page.

I'm talking about this:

So far for setting the record straight with ICGA Robert Hyatt because he intentionally or unintentionally has persuaded the innocent readers of Rybka forum to believe with statements as listed above Vasik copied the DATA of Fruit and thus PST's are equal. While ICGA Hyatt now vehemently is denying he did that, a few more of his quotes:



Hyatt - The evidence is _not_ based on "conjecture". It is based on specific analysis of Rybka and Crafty or Rybka and Fruit. There is no "interpretation" required. Have you actually _read_ Zach's and Mark's report? People keep saying "show me side by side comparisons." First page of Zach's report has _exactly_ that. Two columns. The comparison goes on for pages and pages. Side by side. Piece by piece...
Hyatt - No, there was no code copying. however, there was "Data Copying" which is exactly the same thing in the given context. Not allowable.

Either ICGA Robert Hyatt is deliberately lying to his innocent readers or (at the time) he had not understood the issue itself as the ICGA never made the claim DATA was copied but CODE, the PST initialization code to be precisely. We may offer ICGA Robert Hyatt the benefit of the doubt here, what we certainly DO NOT accept is that he now is trying to lie his way out by denying his own statements, hence this page update.

When the false information was addressed to him here at Rybka forum ICGA Hyatt quickly altered his speech a few days later because the forum members felt cheated. However no apology from ICGA Robert Hyatt for spreading misinformation.

Six times you called him "ICGA Robert Hyatt" or "ICGA Hyatt". I was asking because I found this beyond bizarre, more than I felt could be explained by your non-native English speaker status. I am still very confused here...

As for your completely unrelated other point, I never promised a single thing to you. I'm certainly not going to put in that much work to please you, you don't even listen to me when I talk to you (or maybe you don't understand?). You can put up webpages saying I'm not replying to your emails, but you really should know why I'm not responding.

You were the one that put my name on your page attacking Bob. I had absolutely nothing to do with that dispute, and I kindly asked you to take my name off, as I'm trying not to waste my time in this debate any more (and I had not even said anything publicly for probably a couple months). I even offered to talk about your pages if you would do so. But you refused to even acknowledge the request, instead going off onto many other tangents.

So make as many web pages attacking me as you like, but the fact remains: I refuse to take part in discussions with you until you are ready to have a normal, adult conversation. And for me, that starts with taking down phrases like "In typical unscientific Zach Wegner style" from your site. Sorry if that's too much to ask...

Zach,

You many years ago declared full war on Vas, soiled his name and you, of all, complains?

Apparently you don't have understood some rules in life yet.

1. Every action causes a reaction of the same magnitude.

2. Declare war without getting hurt yourself is an utopia.

I am sorry for you that you feel you are a target now, but you hunted Vas yourself for years until he got sick and tired of the accusations and as a hurt animal started to live as a hermit.

If you don't understand that you are missing a few crucial EQ genes.

You don't know Newtonian physics very well. What you are describing is NOT Newton's third law. It is "shoot the messenger." Zach is not the problem. Vas is the problem. Vas did the copying. Vas did the lying about his code being 100% original as opposed to a derivative work. And in helping expose this, Zach is the "problem"??

[bob]

nonesense already Rolf?

tried to be polite though since I didnt even mention that they chased you out after a couple of minutes, but I didnt care. I saw you just doing your job which leads automatically into bias but that's not your fault. You believe in HIARCS as Champion while I still trust in Rybka as the true Champion. Rybka 5 will soon come out this year.

all the best and I still hope that the two camps should unite again. Apologies to Vas self-understood. And a strong recompensation by the ICGA members, panels and Presidents.

Rolf I have not posted in the thread where Vas is taking questions go and look.

Nor should you. waste of time. He is not answering anything about the copying issue at all. "Not for today" is the generic response.

[Terry McCracken]

Did you a favor and updated the page, I don't think you will like it. But you forced me. The thing you have to learn is to take responsibility for what you said in the past but is not convenient today.

http://www.top-5000.nl/pst.htm

When did Bob change his name to ICGA Bob?

Nowhere on that page.

I'm talking about this:

So far for setting the record straight with ICGA Robert Hyatt because he intentionally or unintentionally has persuaded the innocent readers of Rybka forum to believe with statements as listed above Vasik copied the DATA of Fruit and thus PST's are equal. While ICGA Hyatt now vehemently is denying he did that, a few more of his quotes:



Hyatt - The evidence is _not_ based on "conjecture". It is based on specific analysis of Rybka and Crafty or Rybka and Fruit. There is no "interpretation" required. Have you actually _read_ Zach's and Mark's report? People keep saying "show me side by side comparisons." First page of Zach's report has _exactly_ that. Two columns. The comparison goes on for pages and pages. Side by side. Piece by piece...
Hyatt - No, there was no code copying. however, there was "Data Copying" which is exactly the same thing in the given context. Not allowable.

Either ICGA Robert Hyatt is deliberately lying to his innocent readers or (at the time) he had not understood the issue itself as the ICGA never made the claim DATA was copied but CODE, the PST initialization code to be precisely. We may offer ICGA Robert Hyatt the benefit of the doubt here, what we certainly DO NOT accept is that he now is trying to lie his way out by denying his own statements, hence this page update.

When the false information was addressed to him here at Rybka forum ICGA Hyatt quickly altered his speech a few days later because the forum members felt cheated. However no apology from ICGA Robert Hyatt for spreading misinformation.

Six times you called him "ICGA Robert Hyatt" or "ICGA Hyatt". I was asking because I found this beyond bizarre, more than I felt could be explained by your non-native English speaker status. I am still very confused here...

As for your completely unrelated other point, I never promised a single thing to you. I'm certainly not going to put in that much work to please you, you don't even listen to me when I talk to you (or maybe you don't understand?). You can put up webpages saying I'm not replying to your emails, but you really should know why I'm not responding.

You were the one that put my name on your page attacking Bob. I had absolutely nothing to do with that dispute, and I kindly asked you to take my name off, as I'm trying not to waste my time in this debate any more (and I had not even said anything publicly for probably a couple months). I even offered to talk about your pages if you would do so. But you refused to even acknowledge the request, instead going off onto many other tangents.

So make as many web pages attacking me as you like, but the fact remains: I refuse to take part in discussions with you until you are ready to have a normal, adult conversation. And for me, that starts with taking down phrases like "In typical unscientific Zach Wegner style" from your site. Sorry if that's too much to ask...

Zach,

You many years ago declared full war on Vas, soiled his name and you, of all, complains?

Apparently you don't have understood some rules in life yet.

1. Every action causes a reaction of the same magnitude.

2. Declare war without getting hurt yourself is an utopia.

I am sorry for you that you feel you are a target now, but you hunted Vas yourself for years until he got sick and tired of the accusations and as a hurt animal started to live as a hermit.

If you don't understand that you are missing a few crucial EQ genes.

You don't know Newtonian physics very well. What you are describing is NOT Newton's third law. It is "shoot the messenger." Zach is not the problem. Vas is the problem. Vas did the copying. Vas did the lying about his code being 100% original as opposed to a derivative work. And in helping expose this, Zach is the "problem"??

Ed feels you're all stealing Vasik's livelyhood. Or at least trying to. If anything this whole process has increased his sales. Maybe Ed and Vas should thank you, Zach et al!

[Sarciness]

you've not much of an idea about it as your to dim to read its origins




your version of what may i ask ... George , femfatal , bill strong


do try to follow the threads before presuming to toss your 1 cents worth in , it will help and others


even George


and please do try to take me on in sarcasm if and whenever you achieve at least a level of mediocrity

with practice i do believe you could...
achieve mediocrity that is


btw

try to read correctly

George wrote incorrect English

my response was a "play on that " you muppet

Wow. You really are pathetic.

[geots]

you've not much of an idea about it as your to dim to read its origins




your version of what may i ask ... George , femfatal , bill strong


do try to follow the threads before presuming to toss your 1 cents worth in , it will help and others


even George


and please do try to take me on in sarcasm if and whenever you achieve at least a level of mediocrity

with practice i do believe you could...
achieve mediocrity that is


btw

try to read correctly

George wrote incorrect English

my response was a "play on that " you muppet

Wow. You really are pathetic.

I can't quit laughing. My sides are splitting. You mean you responded to that thimble-brained idiot and didn't know who it was!! Medical science had to create a new name for the disease that wacko carries around. Jesus God, you really did reply to that nut. I'm gonna choke I am laughing so hard. Who did you think it was, Mother Theresa? My God, fella. I hope you didn't catch anything!!!

[geots]

your drugged up

or mearly semi literate as regards the Queens English


strange as i would have thought by your using "Femfatal " user name youd be very familar with anything associated with "Queens"

(Rewritten, at least a bit closer to the Queen's English)

You're drugged up! Or perhaps merely semi-literate with regards to the Queen's English!

Strange as I would have thought that due to your use of the username "Femfatal" you'd be very familiar with anything associated with "Queens"!

No idea what this argument was about and I'm sure my version is still not perfect but your lack of effort with English is appalling- so I had to laugh at your little mini-lecture!

you've not much of an idea about it as your to dim to read its origins




your version of what may i ask ... George , femfatal , bill strong


do try to follow the threads before presuming to toss your 1 cents worth in , it will help and others


even George


and please do try to take me on in sarcasm if and whenever you achieve at least a level of mediocrity

with practice i do believe you could...
achieve mediocrity that is


btw

try to read correctly

George wrote incorrect English

my response was a "play on that " you muppet

I gotta quit laughing to type..... whew. I don't give a rat's ass what you say to me or about me, but you know me so you already know that. But please take mercy on my friends who might reply to you without knowing your story. They have no clue the gunk they are wading around in, and they are really innocent good people.



george

[Terry McCracken]

your drugged up

or mearly semi literate as regards the Queens English


strange as i would have thought by your using "Femfatal " user name youd be very familar with anything associated with "Queens"

(Rewritten, at least a bit closer to the Queen's English)

You're drugged up! Or perhaps merely semi-literate with regards to the Queen's English!

Strange as I would have thought that due to your use of the username "Femfatal" you'd be very familiar with anything associated with "Queens"!

No idea what this argument was about and I'm sure my version is still not perfect but your lack of effort with English is appalling- so I had to laugh at your little mini-lecture!

you've not much of an idea about it as your to dim to read its origins




your version of what may i ask ... George , femfatal , bill strong


do try to follow the threads before presuming to toss your 1 cents worth in , it will help and others


even George


and please do try to take me on in sarcasm if and whenever you achieve at least a level of mediocrity

with practice i do believe you could...
achieve mediocrity that is


btw

try to read correctly

George wrote incorrect English

my response was a "play on that " you muppet

I gotta quit laughing to type..... whew. I don't give a rat's ass what you say to me or about me, but you know me so you already know that. But please take mercy on my friends who might reply to you without knowing your story. They have no clue the gunk they are wading around in, and they are really innocent good people.



george

Care to tell us who it is? That might help everyone here.