I woukd bet that my iPhone would win a match v any GM. The days are gone of Human v comp. Hiarcs on pocket pc has played in 2 GM tournaments. It got GM norms in both and a 2931 rating. That was 2 years ago. The latest iPhone is dual core and faster.pichy wrote:Based on what fact do you support that GM Nakamura can destroy an 8-Core Rybka ? We don't even know what computer were used for these youtube videos, and on one of those game versus another GM the f7 pawn was given by the Rybka operator:Laskos wrote:Yes, he would destroy an 8-core Rybka, but would marginally lose to a 12-core one.Uri wrote:I'm sure Nakamura could still easily defeat Deep Rybka 4.1 running on my old 4-core (not i7) computer.
Bu I don't think he has any chance against the Cimiotti cluster which has more than 400 Xeon processors now.
Kai
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Re:GM Nakamura said that he would be destroyed by a computer
Two years ago those GM did not know how to play Hiarcs, if those same human face Hiarcs again even on the newest Iphone with dual core, Hiarcs will not get the same 2931 performance rating, but probably 2800 at the mostHarvey Williamson wrote:I woukd bet that my iPhone would win a match v any GM. The days are gone of Human v comp. Hiarcs on pocket pc has played in 2 GM tournaments. It got GM norms in both and a 2931 rating. That was 2 years ago. The latest iPhone is dual core and faster.pichy wrote:Based on what fact do you support that GM Nakamura can destroy an 8-Core Rybka ? We don't even know what computer were used for these youtube videos, and on one of those game versus another GM the f7 pawn was given by the Rybka operator:Laskos wrote:Yes, he would destroy an 8-core Rybka, but would marginally lose to a 12-core one.Uri wrote:I'm sure Nakamura could still easily defeat Deep Rybka 4.1 running on my old 4-core (not i7) computer.
Bu I don't think he has any chance against the Cimiotti cluster which has more than 400 Xeon processors now.
Kai

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Re:GM Nakamura said that he would be destroyed by a computer
Plus 1.pichy wrote:Two years ago those GM did not know how to play Hiarcs, if those same human face Hiarcs again even on the newest Iphone with dual core, Hiarcs will not get the same 2931 performance rating, but probably 2800 at the mostHarvey Williamson wrote:I woukd bet that my iPhone would win a match v any GM. The days are gone of Human v comp. Hiarcs on pocket pc has played in 2 GM tournaments. It got GM norms in both and a 2931 rating. That was 2 years ago. The latest iPhone is dual core and faster.pichy wrote:Based on what fact do you support that GM Nakamura can destroy an 8-Core Rybka ? We don't even know what computer were used for these youtube videos, and on one of those game versus another GM the f7 pawn was given by the Rybka operator:Laskos wrote:Yes, he would destroy an 8-core Rybka, but would marginally lose to a 12-core one.Uri wrote:I'm sure Nakamura could still easily defeat Deep Rybka 4.1 running on my old 4-core (not i7) computer.
Bu I don't think he has any chance against the Cimiotti cluster which has more than 400 Xeon processors now.
Kai
As openings are being ( still being ) extensively developed.
so the opening advantage over engine will be huge .
Atleast Human can draw many games bcause of good opening preparation.But i am sure quarter will be win for engines bcause they don't get tired, fatigued ,distracted & others.
Even we can bet Chessmaster 11th (GME) edition on good Quad Core will win win in ten games match.( It has 2827 rating)
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Re:GM Nakamura said that he would be destroyed by a computer
Most important question is how much comparable engine rating is to FIDE rating.neelbasant wrote:Plus 1.pichy wrote:Two years ago those GM did not know how to play Hiarcs, if those same human face Hiarcs again even on the newest Iphone with dual core, Hiarcs will not get the same 2931 performance rating, but probably 2800 at the mostHarvey Williamson wrote:I woukd bet that my iPhone would win a match v any GM. The days are gone of Human v comp. Hiarcs on pocket pc has played in 2 GM tournaments. It got GM norms in both and a 2931 rating. That was 2 years ago. The latest iPhone is dual core and faster.pichy wrote:Based on what fact do you support that GM Nakamura can destroy an 8-Core Rybka ? We don't even know what computer were used for these youtube videos, and on one of those game versus another GM the f7 pawn was given by the Rybka operator:Laskos wrote:Yes, he would destroy an 8-core Rybka, but would marginally lose to a 12-core one.Uri wrote:I'm sure Nakamura could still easily defeat Deep Rybka 4.1 running on my old 4-core (not i7) computer.
Bu I don't think he has any chance against the Cimiotti cluster which has more than 400 Xeon processors now.
Kai
As openings are being ( still being ) extensively developed.
so the opening advantage over engine will be huge .
Atleast Human can draw many games bcause of good opening preparation.But i am sure quarter will be win for engines bcause they don't get tired, fatigued ,distracted & others.
Even we can bet Chessmaster 11th (GME) edition on good Quad Core will win win in ten games match.( It has 2827 rating)
In recent years since 2006( Kramnik's defeat) no human -engine match has been played.
and we all know huge progress has been made from 2006 to 2012.
So chances of playing of top human against top 10 chess engines
are virtually ZERO.
Who on earth ,any player among top 5 wants humiliated by a nasty but better engine ?
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Re:Here is my game versus Hiarcs Iphone.....................
Here is my game versus Hiarcs Iphone, imagine what GM Nakamura could do. So far after 120 games I have reached a 2355 rating versus Hiarcs. This is an estimated rating by Hiarcs, but I was only rated 2236 over 20 years ago, I guess there is an inflation in ratingHarvey Williamson wrote:I woukd bet that my iPhone would win a match v any GM. The days are gone of Human v comp. Hiarcs on pocket pc has played in 2 GM tournaments. It got GM norms in both and a 2931 rating. That was 2 years ago. The latest iPhone is dual core and faster.pichy wrote:Based on what fact do you support that GM Nakamura can destroy an 8-Core Rybka ? We don't even know what computer were used for these youtube videos, and on one of those game versus another GM the f7 pawn was given by the Rybka operator:Laskos wrote:Yes, he would destroy an 8-core Rybka, but would marginally lose to a 12-core one.Uri wrote:I'm sure Nakamura could still easily defeat Deep Rybka 4.1 running on my old 4-core (not i7) computer.
Bu I don't think he has any chance against the Cimiotti cluster which has more than 400 Xeon processors now.
Kai

[Site "Pichy-PC"]
[Date "2012.05.19"]
[Round "?"]
[White "You"]
[WhiteElo "2355"]
[Black "HIARCS"]
[BlackElo "2900"]
[Result "1/2"]
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. f4 e5 7. Nf3 Nbd7 8. Bc4
b5 9. fxe5 bxc4 10. exf6 Nxf6 11. Qd4 Be7 12. Bf4 Bb7 13. O-O-O O-O 14. Rhe1
Re8 15. Qxc4 Rc8 16. Qd4 Qa5 17. Kb1 Red8 18. Qd2 Rxc3 19. Qxc3 Qxc3 20. bxc3
Nxe4 21. Rd3 Rc8 22. h3 f5 23. Nd2 Kf7 24. Nxe4 Bxe4 25. Bxd6 Bf6 26. Rdd1 Bxg2
27. Be5 Bxe5 28. Rxe5 Bxh3 29. Re3 Bg4 30. Rd7+ Kf6 31. Rd6+ Kf7 32. Rd7+ Kf6
33. Rd6+ Kf7 Draw by 3 repetition
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Re:Here is my game versus Hiarcs Iphone.....................
Now try it again with ponder on and it not set to play at 1800 elo.pichy wrote:Here is my game versus Hiarcs Iphone, imagine what GM Nakamura could do. So far after 120 games I have reached a 2355 rating versus HiarcsHarvey Williamson wrote:I woukd bet that my iPhone would win a match v any GM. The days are gone of Human v comp. Hiarcs on pocket pc has played in 2 GM tournaments. It got GM norms in both and a 2931 rating. That was 2 years ago. The latest iPhone is dual core and faster.pichy wrote:Based on what fact do you support that GM Nakamura can destroy an 8-Core Rybka ? We don't even know what computer were used for these youtube videos, and on one of those game versus another GM the f7 pawn was given by the Rybka operator:Laskos wrote:Yes, he would destroy an 8-core Rybka, but would marginally lose to a 12-core one.Uri wrote:I'm sure Nakamura could still easily defeat Deep Rybka 4.1 running on my old 4-core (not i7) computer.
Bu I don't think he has any chance against the Cimiotti cluster which has more than 400 Xeon processors now.
Kai
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[Site "Pichy-PC"]
[Date "2012.05.19"]
[Round "?"]
[White "You"]
[WhiteElo "2355"]
[Black "HIARCS"]
[BlackElo "2900"]
[Result "1/2"]
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. f4 e5 7. Nf3 Nbd7 8. Bc4
b5 9. fxe5 bxc4 10. exf6 Nxf6 11. Qd4 Be7 12. Bf4 Bb7 13. O-O-O O-O 14. Rhe1
Re8 15. Qxc4 Rc8 16. Qd4 Qa5 17. Kb1 Red8 18. Qd2 Rxc3 19. Qxc3 Qxc3 20. bxc3
Nxe4 21. Rd3 Rc8 22. h3 f5 23. Nd2 Kf7 24. Nxe4 Bxe4 25. Bxd6 Bf6 26. Rdd1 Bxg2
27. Be5 Bxe5 28. Rxe5 Bxh3 29. Re3 Bg4 30. Rd7+ Kf6 31. Rd6+ Kf7 32. Rd7+ Kf6
33. Rd6+ Kf7 Draw by 3 repetition
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ps. and no takebacks.You also have to not lose on time.
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Re:Here is my game versus Hiarcs Iphone.....................
I too have a similar performance against Hiarcs. My given elo by Hiarcs on the iphone is >2400, >2500, or even >2600 depending on my form. My actual elo is around 2300 Fide.Harvey Williamson wrote:Now try it again with ponder on and it not set to play at 1800 elo.pichy wrote:Here is my game versus Hiarcs Iphone, imagine what GM Nakamura could do. So far after 120 games I have reached a 2355 rating versus HiarcsHarvey Williamson wrote:I woukd bet that my iPhone would win a match v any GM. The days are gone of Human v comp. Hiarcs on pocket pc has played in 2 GM tournaments. It got GM norms in both and a 2931 rating. That was 2 years ago. The latest iPhone is dual core and faster.pichy wrote:Based on what fact do you support that GM Nakamura can destroy an 8-Core Rybka ? We don't even know what computer were used for these youtube videos, and on one of those game versus another GM the f7 pawn was given by the Rybka operator:Laskos wrote:Yes, he would destroy an 8-core Rybka, but would marginally lose to a 12-core one.Uri wrote:I'm sure Nakamura could still easily defeat Deep Rybka 4.1 running on my old 4-core (not i7) computer.
Bu I don't think he has any chance against the Cimiotti cluster which has more than 400 Xeon processors now.
Kai
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[Site "Pichy-PC"]
[Date "2012.05.19"]
[Round "?"]
[White "You"]
[WhiteElo "2355"]
[Black "HIARCS"]
[BlackElo "2900"]
[Result "1/2"]
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. f4 e5 7. Nf3 Nbd7 8. Bc4
b5 9. fxe5 bxc4 10. exf6 Nxf6 11. Qd4 Be7 12. Bf4 Bb7 13. O-O-O O-O 14. Rhe1
Re8 15. Qxc4 Rc8 16. Qd4 Qa5 17. Kb1 Red8 18. Qd2 Rxc3 19. Qxc3 Qxc3 20. bxc3
Nxe4 21. Rd3 Rc8 22. h3 f5 23. Nd2 Kf7 24. Nxe4 Bxe4 25. Bxd6 Bf6 26. Rdd1 Bxg2
27. Be5 Bxe5 28. Rxe5 Bxh3 29. Re3 Bg4 30. Rd7+ Kf6 31. Rd6+ Kf7 32. Rd7+ Kf6
33. Rd6+ Kf7 Draw by 3 repetition
Sent from my iPhone
ps. and no takebacks.You also have to not lose on time.
I will try turning ponder on. I don't set the elo to 1800 or any level. I leave it at Hiarcs highest level.
On the iphone, upgrading to 4S wont help that much as Hiarcs does not yet use dual core, right? I am quite happy with the strength of Hiarcs on the iphone 4. While it does not drastically beat me in every game, its far more motivating to play against it vs a desktop program.
Maybe to unleash the 2800+ strength, I should play classical time control games instead of G/10 like I usually do? I can certainly believe that.
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Re:Here is my game versus Hiarcs Iphone.....................
I know a 2700+ GM who plays it regularly. He says if he sets it to 5 minutes and he takes an hour he has won a few games. afaik it is the only pocket program that has ever played in a GM tournament and it is unbeaten. Same tournament for 2 years so some of the GM's would have had time to prepare for the rematch.shiv wrote:I too have a similar performance against Hiarcs. My given elo by Hiarcs on the iphone is >2400, >2500, or even >2600 depending on my form. My actual elo is around 2300 Fide.Harvey Williamson wrote:Now try it again with ponder on and it not set to play at 1800 elo.pichy wrote:Here is my game versus Hiarcs Iphone, imagine what GM Nakamura could do. So far after 120 games I have reached a 2355 rating versus HiarcsHarvey Williamson wrote:I woukd bet that my iPhone would win a match v any GM. The days are gone of Human v comp. Hiarcs on pocket pc has played in 2 GM tournaments. It got GM norms in both and a 2931 rating. That was 2 years ago. The latest iPhone is dual core and faster.pichy wrote:Based on what fact do you support that GM Nakamura can destroy an 8-Core Rybka ? We don't even know what computer were used for these youtube videos, and on one of those game versus another GM the f7 pawn was given by the Rybka operator:Laskos wrote:Yes, he would destroy an 8-core Rybka, but would marginally lose to a 12-core one.Uri wrote:I'm sure Nakamura could still easily defeat Deep Rybka 4.1 running on my old 4-core (not i7) computer.
Bu I don't think he has any chance against the Cimiotti cluster which has more than 400 Xeon processors now.
Kai
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[Site "Pichy-PC"]
[Date "2012.05.19"]
[Round "?"]
[White "You"]
[WhiteElo "2355"]
[Black "HIARCS"]
[BlackElo "2900"]
[Result "1/2"]
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. f4 e5 7. Nf3 Nbd7 8. Bc4
b5 9. fxe5 bxc4 10. exf6 Nxf6 11. Qd4 Be7 12. Bf4 Bb7 13. O-O-O O-O 14. Rhe1
Re8 15. Qxc4 Rc8 16. Qd4 Qa5 17. Kb1 Red8 18. Qd2 Rxc3 19. Qxc3 Qxc3 20. bxc3
Nxe4 21. Rd3 Rc8 22. h3 f5 23. Nd2 Kf7 24. Nxe4 Bxe4 25. Bxd6 Bf6 26. Rdd1 Bxg2
27. Be5 Bxe5 28. Rxe5 Bxh3 29. Re3 Bg4 30. Rd7+ Kf6 31. Rd6+ Kf7 32. Rd7+ Kf6
33. Rd6+ Kf7 Draw by 3 repetition
Sent from my iPhone
ps. and no takebacks.You also have to not lose on time.
I will try turning ponder on. I don't set the elo to 1800 or any level. I leave it at Hiarcs highest level.
On the iphone, upgrading to 4S wont help that much as Hiarcs does not yet use dual core, right? I am quite happy with the strength of Hiarcs on the iphone 4. While it does not drastically beat me in every game, its far more motivating to play against it vs a desktop program.
Maybe to unleash the 2800+ strength, I should play classical time control games instead of G/10 like I usually do? I can certainly believe that.
If you are 2300 elo with ponder off I am sure you can get a draw or 2.
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Re:Here is my game versus Hiarcs Iphone.....................
Ponder was set to on and as you can read I set it up to the maximum elo of 2900, Not 1800. I believe that Hiarcs had a performance of 2931 2 years ago against players who probably never played against Hiarcs before, but if any Master play as many games as I have so far, the advantage of the human brain over engine is that we can learn by pattern recognition whereas engines simply repeat the same opening every 15 games or so and do not know that they played against a humanHarvey Williamson wrote:Now try it again with ponder on and it not set to play at 1800 elo.pichy wrote:Here is my game versus Hiarcs Iphone, imagine what GM Nakamura could do. So far after 120 games I have reached a 2355 rating versus HiarcsHarvey Williamson wrote:I woukd bet that my iPhone would win a match v any GM. The days are gone of Human v comp. Hiarcs on pocket pc has played in 2 GM tournaments. It got GM norms in both and a 2931 rating. That was 2 years ago. The latest iPhone is dual core and faster.pichy wrote:Based on what fact do you support that GM Nakamura can destroy an 8-Core Rybka ? We don't even know what computer were used for these youtube videos, and on one of those game versus another GM the f7 pawn was given by the Rybka operator:Laskos wrote:Yes, he would destroy an 8-core Rybka, but would marginally lose to a 12-core one.Uri wrote:I'm sure Nakamura could still easily defeat Deep Rybka 4.1 running on my old 4-core (not i7) computer.
Bu I don't think he has any chance against the Cimiotti cluster which has more than 400 Xeon processors now.
Kai
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[Site "Pichy-PC"]
[Date "2012.05.19"]
[Round "?"]
[White "You"]
[WhiteElo "2355"]
[Black "HIARCS"]
[BlackElo "2900"]
[Result "1/2"]
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. f4 e5 7. Nf3 Nbd7 8. Bc4
b5 9. fxe5 bxc4 10. exf6 Nxf6 11. Qd4 Be7 12. Bf4 Bb7 13. O-O-O O-O 14. Rhe1
Re8 15. Qxc4 Rc8 16. Qd4 Qa5 17. Kb1 Red8 18. Qd2 Rxc3 19. Qxc3 Qxc3 20. bxc3
Nxe4 21. Rd3 Rc8 22. h3 f5 23. Nd2 Kf7 24. Nxe4 Bxe4 25. Bxd6 Bf6 26. Rdd1 Bxg2
27. Be5 Bxe5 28. Rxe5 Bxh3 29. Re3 Bg4 30. Rd7+ Kf6 31. Rd6+ Kf7 32. Rd7+ Kf6
33. Rd6+ Kf7 Draw by 3 repetition
Sent from my iPhone
ps. and no takebacks.You also have to not lose on time.

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Re:Here is my game versus Hiarcs Iphone.....................
Wrong as it played in the same tournament 2x it performed better the 2nd time.pichy wrote: Ponder was set to on and as you can read I set it up to the maximum elo of 2900, Not 1800. I believe that Hiarcs had a performance of 2931 2 years ago against players who probably never played against Hiarcs before, but if any Master play as many games as I have so far, the advantage of the human brain over engine is that we can learn by pattern recognition whereas engines simply repeat the same opening every 15 games or so and do not know that they played against a human
I know a lot of GM's and your comments do not agree with theirs.