Tournaments from the starting position

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ThatsIt
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Tournaments from the starting position

Post by ThatsIt »

Hi to all !

Currently i've running some test tournaments from the starting position using different time controls.
The first tournament is completed, the second is in process.

Conditions:
Startingposition with color change = 2 games per match
Books = off
Ponder = on
Core(s) = one for each engine
Intel i5-2400 @ 3.1GHz
OS = Windows 7 Professional
GUI = Shredder Classic 3
Bases = four man
Learning = disabled

http://cegt.siteboard.eu/f3t538-gt-2012 ... llung.html

Best wishes,
G.S.
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IWB
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Re: Tournaments from the starting position

Post by IWB »

'Hi Gerhard,

I know, wrong forum, but you might be interested in this:

http://forum.computerschach.de/cgi-bin/ ... ndstellung

It is not the latest version of all engines but it was fun :-)

ye
INgo
lech
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Re: Tournaments from the starting position

Post by lech »

ThatsIt wrote:Hi to all !
Currently i've running some test tournaments from the starting position using different time controls.
A wonderful idea. All the other tests like IPON or others are wrong. :D
Maybe, I can't be friendly, but let me be useful.
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Re: Tournaments from the starting position

Post by ThatsIt »

lech wrote:
ThatsIt wrote:Hi to all !
Currently i've running some test tournaments from the starting position using different time controls.
A wonderful idea. All the other tests like IPON or others are wrong. :D
For what reason ?

Best wishes,
G.S.
lech
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Re: Tournaments from the starting position

Post by lech »

ThatsIt wrote:
lech wrote:
ThatsIt wrote:Hi to all !
Currently i've running some test tournaments from the starting position using different time controls.
A wonderful idea. All the other tests like IPON or others are wrong. :D
For what reason ?

Best wishes,
G.S.
IMO only these conditions are full honest for rating lists:
- without books, tablebases
- startposition (from zero)
- time per move, changed after each pair of games
- 1CPU
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ThatsIt
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Re: Tournaments from the starting position

Post by ThatsIt »

lech wrote:
ThatsIt wrote:
lech wrote:
ThatsIt wrote:Hi to all !
Currently i've running some test tournaments from the starting position using different time controls.
A wonderful idea. All the other tests like IPON or others are wrong. :D
For what reason ?

Best wishes,
G.S.
IMO only these conditions are full honest for rating lists:
- without books, tablebases
- startposition (from zero)
- time per move, changed after each pair of games
- 1CPU
But the main problem will be, that you only get 2 games per match !
Far too little for a rating list.

Best wishes,
G.S.
lech
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Re: Tournaments from the starting position

Post by lech »

ThatsIt wrote:
lech wrote:
ThatsIt wrote:
lech wrote:
ThatsIt wrote:Hi to all !
Currently i've running some test tournaments from the starting position using different time controls.
A wonderful idea. All the other tests like IPON or others are wrong. :D
For what reason ?

Best wishes,
G.S.
IMO only these conditions are full honest for rating lists:
- without books, tablebases
- startposition (from zero)
- time per move, changed after each pair of games
- 1CPU
But the main problem will be, that you only get 2 games per match !
Far too little for a rating list.

Best wishes,
G.S.
I mean each pair of games for the same opponents. Time is changed (to avoid same games) after cycle. It is rather a technical problem.
Maybe, I can't be friendly, but let me be useful.
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velmarin
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Re: Tournaments from the starting position

Post by velmarin »

The books are also a part of Chess.
I'm not sure.

Then we should schedule the engines with that feature.
As experiment is good, but it's unnatural.

We have Tournaments with Kns limitation, PLY limitation, Weather nonexistent.
You can only take as experimenters boring, in my opinion.
:D
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lech
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Re: Tournaments from the starting position

Post by lech »

velmarin wrote: As experiment is good, but it's unnatural.
e.g. Some of engines can have troubles with the opening. The first moves are very important and why don't test it?
Greetings :D
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velmarin
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Re: Tournaments from the starting position

Post by velmarin »

Oh, yes, taste is perfect.

But many people since time immemorial has been devoted to opening theory, also deserve their piece of cake.

You run the risk of never having a "Sicilian", or "Pirc", or "Bird",
or a "King's Gambit", ect.
Openings flat.

Yet this very well, perfect.
At least not cut plys or kns limited, or placed second "zero".