H3 vs Cluster Rybka

[S.Taylor]

Speed :
Rybka cluster 64 cores : 104 Mn/sec
Houdini 3 16*3.4 Ghz : 34 Mn/s

Why use only the 64 core cluster? isn't the rental Rybka on a stronger cluster also?

And hasn't Vas been upgrading his Rybka 4.1 to make it stronger than 4.1 was?

So the Rybka is on 4 times the amount of power than Houdini is? (or not even that?)

[Modern Times]

Why use only the 64 core cluster? isn't the rental Rybka on a stronger cluster also?

Money.

[Lavir]

Why use only the 64 core cluster? isn't the rental Rybka on a stronger cluster also?

Will you sponsorize the full cluster with YOUR own money? Do you know how much money it takes to rent the full cluster?

Why if you are so keen on trying to find excuses on why Rybka is obviously better even in front of evidence of the contrary (for now) don't you personally use all your savings so that when you will be bankrupt (much probably) but without the result you expect in return then maybe you will learn the hard way?

And hasn't Vas been upgrading his Rybka 4.1 to make it stronger than 4.1 was?

I suppose the people who did rent the cluster "downgraded" Rybka to the lower version to make it play worse, naturally.

So the Rybka is on 4 times the amount of power than Houdini is? (or not even that?)

You are right. 4 times is too little.

Oh wait, wasn't it Rybka the best scaling program on slow time controls without need of ANY hardware help (in yours and Maurizio's mind, at last), and wasn't the Rybka program in the cluster "much better" that Rybka 4.1 anyway?

[Suj]

rybka 64 cores on the cloud was giving between 83mnps-85mnps.not sure how that has increased to 103mnps.

If played without book this should be even lesser?

Any way to check exact number of cores?

[Vinvin]

rybka 64 cores on the cloud was giving between 83mnps-85mnps.not sure how that has increased to 103mnps.

If played without book this should be even lesser?

Any way to check exact number of cores?

May be we got the faster processors
But that's a terrible advertising for Rybka cluster ...

[Suj]

faster e5 xeons instead of 5600 xeons or lesser number of client nodes which inturn gives lesser overheads for greater speed or different cluster settings on speed and queuing and splits or lastly more cores running which might not be the case.

[Laskos]

The low number statistics is exciting. Playing with the standard deviation of the sample (and not with sample standard deviation), from this 1:0 result I can say with 84% confidence that Houdini 3 16 core is not weaker by more than 100 Elo points than Rybka Cluster 64. That would imply, taking for hardware advantage, that the present day software Rybka used by the cluster has only 16% to be stronger than Houdini 3 software.

Looking at the game, Houdini 3 outplayed Rybka on all chapters. Eagerly awaiting for the second game.

[gotogo]

The Rybka cluster is suppose to represent a level of chess that can not be reached by a high end PC.

Now if the 64 cluster represents a higher level of analysis or anything because it is offered as a cheaper alternative to the 128 and so on it should not sacrifice any strength being a cheaper alternative.

If the 64 cluster can not beat Houdini it should be dropped. Further testing should move to the 128 cluster.

What size is the chessbase cluster offered in the new package and what program is on it? What good will it be if we have the best software avalible with Houdini?

If you ask me the cluster program should be upgraded or dropped...
Maybe Robert could make a cluster program and put Rybka to sleep.
Rybka is like trying to beat an old champion racing horse to beat new fresh young studs, it just isn't going to happen. There is a new young stud in the game and it's Houdini.

[S.Taylor]

Oh wait, wasn't it Rybka the best scaling program on slow time controls without need of ANY hardware help (in yours and Maurizio's mind, at last), and wasn't the Rybka program in the cluster "much better" that Rybka 4.1 anyway?

No! None of these things in your post were true, in my mind. (and i was hoping i was right, that not).

I'm very excited to see Houdini winning, even more.

[Leto]

Nice win by Houdini in game 1. Excited to see the rest of the games.