Cluster Rybka vs. Houdini 3 - Game 5 ...

[IWB]

... will be played on Monday 17.12.2012 at 19.00 CET on Playchess.

New short unusual opening.

CU
Ingo

PS: If we have enough Ducats left game 6 will be on Tuesday, same time.

[beram]

... will be played on Monday 17.12.2012 at 19.00 CET on Playchess.

New short unusual opening.

CU
Ingo

PS: If we have enough Ducats left game 6 will be on Tuesday, same time.

Looking forward to another myhthbustering rybkacluster clash.
Although you only have to compare the differences in plies searched between Houdini and Rybka in these Clustermatch and between same opponents in the 8CPU match Graham is running now, to conclude that cluster is a clay giant.

[IWB]

I still don't get why the shown depth of two different engines should be of any value.
Every programmer shows what he thinks is right. This does not have to be the same.
Additionaly it might be that one or the other programmer is hiding the enignes true values - for whatever reason.

The only thing that counts is the result - everything else is in vain.

Bye
Ingo

[beram]

I still don't get why the shown depth of two different engines should be of any value.
Every programmer shows what he thinks is right. This does not have to be the same.
Additionaly it might be that one or the other programmer is hiding the enignes true values - for whatever reason.

The only thing that counts is the result - everything else is in vain.

Bye
Ingo

I ment the average difference in plies depth between H3 and R4.1 in the clustermatch and in 8CPU match.
The average difference in plies searched in 8CPU match game (equal hardware) is not smaller (as should be expected) than in the games of cluster match.

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Felix 2,Houdini 3 Pro x64 - TryMe,Rybka Cluster 64 Co [B33]
105m+15s, unrated Engine Room, 05.12.2012

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 cxd4  0.11/21  1:37  4.Nxd4  0.23/28  3:02  e5  0.17/22  3:18  5.Nb5  0.23/29  0  d6  0.22/23  4:37  6.N1c3  0.28/30  0  Nf6 (a6)  0.22/23  5:32  7.Bg5  0.32/29  2:14  a6  0.26/21  0  8.Na3 (Lxf6)  0.45/30  7:58  8...Be6 (Le7)  0.27/22  5:05  9.Nc4 (Lxf6)  0.51/30  5:59  9...Rc8  0.22/22  4:12  10.Bxf6  0.49/30  0  Qxf6  0.21/24  2:14  11.Nb6  0.49/31  0  Rb8  0.23/24  1:25  12.Ncd5 (Lc4)  0.48/31  46  12...Qg6 (Dd8)  0.21/24  4:27  13.Qd3 (f3)  0.70/28  2:33  13...Be7  0.08/22  1:57  14.Nc7+ (g3)  0.70/29  15  14...Kd8 (Kf8)  0.41/21  4:18  15.Ncd5  0.72/28  2:27  f5  0.53/20  0  16.Qc3 (0–0–0)  0.70/25  4:46  16...fxe4  0.84/21  7:08  17.0–0–0  1.01/27  0  Bxd5 (Ke8)  0.89/20  3:07  18.Nxd5  0.91/26  53  Rc8  0.84/19  1:07  19.Kb1  0.94/28  4:29  Rf8  1.03/20  0  20.Qb3  0.94/28  1:55  b5  1.02/22  32  21.Qa3  0.90/28  3:29  Qg4  1.00/22  0  22.f3  0.84/28  2:41  exf3  0.99/22  0  23.Nxe7  0.85/27  0  Kxe7  1.00/22  1:24  24.Qxd6+  0.93/28  29  Kf7  1.01/23  0  25.gxf3  0.93/27  0  Qf5  1.13/23  2:57  26.Qd5+ (Ld3)  1.46/25  1:20  26...Kf6 (Ke8)  0.80/22  2:18  27.Bd3  1.74/27  1:38  Qe6  0.89/24  0  28.Qe4  1.90/27  1:59  g6  1.22/21  0  29.h4  2.09/27  6:31  Rcd8  1.47/21  0  30.a3  1.84/28  1:58  Rd7 (Td4)  1.35/21  14  31.h5  1.80/28  3:14  g5  1.60/24  0  32.h6  1.86/25  5:40  Nd4 (Tg8)  1.96/22  1:39  33.Rhg1 (Lf1)  2.23/27  7:54  33...Rfd8  1.55/22  6:37  34.Qe3  2.35/30  0  Rg8  1.51/22  17  35.Rde1  2.30/28  1:06  Qd5  1.63/22  46  36.Rg4  2.47/27  29  Qc5 (Dd6)  2.01/22  3:26  37.Rg2 (Teg1)  2.43/26  59  37...Qd5  2.01/21  1:01  38.Qg1 (Le4)  2.43/24  0  38...Qf7 (Dd6)  1.60/21  4:01  39.Qf2 (Dh2)  2.51/25  59  39...Rd5 (Dd5)  2.02/22  5:53  40.c3 (Le4)  2.46/25  1:38  40...Ne6  1.92/23  5:29  41.Bc2  2.53/28  0  Nf4  2.05/22  2:09  42.Rg3 (Db6+)  2.60/26  21  42...Rd7 (Tgd8)  1.47/22  1:41  43.Qe3  2.69/26  1:26  Qd5  1.58/22  1:05  44.Ka1  2.71/26  7  Re8 (Tc8)  1.72/20  55  45.Rg4 (Dg1)  2.28/25  1:08  45...Ne6 (Dc4)  2.26/21  5:35  46.Bb1 (Kb1)  3.39/26  55  46...Rc7 (Ted8)  2.62/20  4:12  47.Ba2  4.79/23  55  Qc5  3.24/19  0  48.Qe4  5.39/26  1:00  Qd6  3.52/19  0  49.Rg2 (Teg1)  5.63/27  1:35  49...b4  4.35/20  4:14  50.axb4  5.73/27  0  Nf4  4.46/19  22  51.Bb1  5.96/26  0  Qd7  4.54/20  1:11  52.Rd2  6.34/27  0  Qa4+  4.56/20  6  53.Ba2  6.68/26  27  Qc6  4.68/20  0  54.Qc2  6.67/25  12  Rd7  5.48/21  4:33  55.Rxd7  6.96/28  43  Qxd7  5.35/20  0  56.Rd1  6.42/27  29  Qc7  5.96/21  3:09  57.Bb1 (Da4)  6.47/26  0  57...e4  5.05/21  5  58.Qa4  6.47/22  14  Qb8 (Te6)  4.84/19  1:02  59.Qd7 (Lxe4)  8.83/24  18  59...Re7  5.50/15  4  60.Rd6+  9.26/23  1  Ne6  5.60/16  1  61.Qc6  9.53/22  1  Qb5  6.37/15  3  62.Qxe4  9.52/22  0  Qe5  6.43/15  2  63.Qd3  10.06/21  0  Ra7 (Db5)  8.08/19  33  64.Rc6 (Txa6)  11.23/22  4  64...a5 (Tb7)  5.79/16  5  65.b5 (Dd8+)  11.86/22  5  65...Re7 (Tb7)  9.54/16  19  66.b6  19.45/22  32  a4 (g4)  14.16/19  1:38  67.Qd8  25.90/24  29  Kf7  27.50/19  59  68.Qc8 TryMe,Rybka Cluster 64 Cor gibt auf (Lag: Av=0.42s, max=1.2s)  29.93/24  0  1–0

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[Event "The Champions 2012 8CPU"] 
[Site "ChessGUI"] 
[Date "2012.12.16"] 
[Round "9.6"] 
[White "Houdini 3 64-bit 8CPU"] 
[Black "Rybka 4.1 64-bit 8CPU"] 
[Result "1-0"] 
[ECO "A41"] 
[PlyCount "98"] 
[EventDate "2012.??.??"] 
[TimeControl "40/1740:40/1740:40/1740"] 

{Unknown Hardware} 1. c4 {[%eval 0,1] [%emt 0:00:00]} Nf6 { 
[%eval 0,1] [%emt 0:00:00]} 2. Nc3 {[%eval 0,1] [%emt 0:00:00]} e5 { 
[%eval 0,1] [%emt 0:00:00]} 3. Nf3 {[%eval 0,1] [%emt 0:00:00]} Nc6 { 
[%eval 0,1] [%emt 0:00:00]} 4. g3 {[%eval 0,1] [%emt 0:00:00]} Nd4 { 
[%eval 0,1] [%emt 0:00:00]} 5. Bg2 {[%eval 0,1] [%emt 0:00:00]} Nxf3+ { 
[%eval 0,1] [%emt 0:00:00]} 6. Bxf3 {[%eval 0,1] [%emt 0:00:00]} Bc5 { 
[%eval 0,1] [%emt 0:00:00]} 7. d3 {[%eval 0,1] [%emt 0:00:00]} h6 { 
[%eval 0,1] [%emt 0:00:00]} 8. h4 {[%eval 0,1] [%emt 0:00:00]} c6 { 
[%eval 0,1] [%emt 0:00:00]} 9. Bd2 {[%eval 1,24] [%emt 0:01:25]} a5 { 
(d6) [%eval 0,18] [%emt 0:01:07]} 10. e3 {(e3) [%eval 18,24] [%emt 0:00:51]} 
Be7 {(Be7) [%eval -9,19] [%emt 0:00:42]} 11. d4 { 
(d4) [%eval 18,25] [%emt 0:01:01]} d6 {(d6) [%eval -11,19] [%emt 0:00:49]} 12. 
d5 {(d5) [%eval 16,24] [%emt 0:00:40]} Qb6 {(Qc7) [%eval -10,18] [%emt 0:01:03] 
} 13. b3 {(b3) [%eval 23,23] [%emt 0:01:03]} O-O { 
(Qa6) [%eval -13,18] [%emt 0:00:51]} 14. g4 {(O-O) [%eval 34,22] [%emt 0:00:42] 
} Nh7 {(g6) [%eval -16,17] [%emt 0:00:35]} 15. Bg2 { 
(Bg2) [%eval 45,22] [%emt 0:00:45]} f5 {(f5) [%eval -44,17] [%emt 0:01:26]} 16. 
g5 {(dxc6) [%eval 38,23] [%emt 0:01:12]} hxg5 { 
(hxg5) [%eval -36,16] [%emt 0:00:45]} 17. hxg5 { 
(hxg5) [%eval 42,23] [%emt 0:00:42]} Nxg5 {(Nxg5) [%eval -36,16] [%emt 0:00:23] 
} 18. f4 {(f4) [%eval 71,24] [%emt 0:02:01]} Nh7 { 
(Nh7) [%eval -26,16] [%emt 0:00:37]} 19. c5 {(Na4) [%eval 41,22] [%emt 0:01:29] 
} Qxc5 {(Qxc5) [%eval -23,16] [%emt 0:00:15]} 20. Rc1 { 
(dxc6) [%eval 38,23] [%emt 0:00:37]} Bd7 {(Bd7) [%eval -26,17] [%emt 0:00:48]} 
21. dxc6 {(dxc6) [%eval 31,23] [%emt 0:02:55]} Bxc6 { 
(Bxc6) [%eval -26,17] [%emt 0:00:13]} 22. Ne4 { 
(Ne4) [%eval 62,22] [%emt 0:00:34]} Qb6 {(Qb6) [%eval -24,17] [%emt 0:00:22]} 
23. Qh5 {(Qh5) [%eval 62,20] [%emt 0:00:00]} Bxe4 { 
(Bxe4) [%eval -25,17] [%emt 0:01:11]} 24. Qxh7+ { 
(Qxh7) [%eval 62,20] [%emt 0:00:34]} Kf7 {(Kf7) [%eval -25,16] [%emt 0:00:01]} 
25. Bxe4 {(Bxe4) [%eval 73,22] [%emt 0:01:07]} fxe4 { 
(fxe4) [%eval -25,16] [%emt 0:00:06]} 26. Qxe4 { 
(Qxe4) [%eval 82,21] [%emt 0:00:45]} exf4 {(exf4) [%eval -64,17] [%emt 0:01:25] 
} 27. Qd5+ {(Qd5) [%eval 83,20] [%emt 0:00:00]} Ke8 { 
(Ke8) [%eval -64,17] [%emt 0:00:06]} 28. exf4 { 
(exf4) [%eval 127,22] [%emt 0:01:05]} a4 {(Kd8) [%eval -64,16] [%emt 0:01:33]} 
29. bxa4 {(bxa4) [%eval 128,22] [%emt 0:00:54]} Rxa4 { 
(Rxa4) [%eval -64,15] [%emt 0:00:50]} 30. Kd1 { 
(Kd1) [%eval 162,23] [%emt 0:01:58]} Rf6 {(Rf6) [%eval -134,16] [%emt 0:00:24]} 
31. Qh5+ {(Qh5) [%eval 302,20] [%emt 0:00:30]} g6 { 
(g6) [%eval -134,17] [%emt 0:00:29]} 32. Qg4 { 
(Qg4) [%eval 302,19] [%emt 0:00:00]} Ra8 {(Ra8) [%eval -134,17] [%emt 0:00:19]} 
33. Rh8+ {(Rh8) [%eval 206,22] [%emt 0:00:35]} Bf8 { 
(Rf8) [%eval -148,17] [%emt 0:00:17]} 34. Rh7 { 
(Rh7) [%eval 315,20] [%emt 0:00:15]} Be7 {(Be7) [%eval -148,17] [%emt 0:00:09]} 
35. Be3 {(Rc8) [%eval 315,19] [%emt 0:00:02]} Qa5 { 
(Qa5) [%eval -290,17] [%emt 0:01:13]} 36. Rc8+ { 
(Rc8) [%eval 315,18] [%emt 0:00:00]} Rxc8 { 
(Rxc8) [%eval -290,17] [%emt 0:00:11]} 37. Qxc8+ { 
(Qxc8) [%eval 304,17] [%emt 0:00:01]} Qd8 {(Qd8) [%eval -290,18] [%emt 0:00:14] 
} 38. Qxb7 {(Qxb7) [%eval 292,16] [%emt 0:00:00]} Qd7 { 
(Qd7) [%eval -290,19] [%emt 0:00:13]} 39. Qa8+ { 
(Qa8) [%eval 332,26] [%emt 0:03:34]} Qd8 {(Qd8) [%eval -290,19] [%emt 0:00:26]} 
40. Qd5 {(Qd5) [%eval 332,25] [%emt 0:00:00]} Qc8 { 
(Qc8) [%eval -298,19] [%emt 0:05:12]} 41. a3 { 
(a3) [%eval 332,22] [%emt 0:00:21]} Qd8 {(Qa6) [%eval -290,17] [%emt 0:01:20]} 
42. a4 {(a4) [%eval 535,20] [%emt 0:00:15]} Rf5 { 
(Qd7) [%eval -290,16] [%emt 0:00:54]} 43. Qe6 { 
(Qe6) [%eval 989,19] [%emt 0:00:21]} Rf6 {(Rf6) [%eval -290,16] [%emt 0:00:06]} 
44. Rh8+ {(Rh8) [%eval 974,18] [%emt 0:00:01]} Rf8 { 
(Rf8) [%eval -290,16] [%emt 0:00:00]} 45. Qxg6+ { 
(Qxg6) [%eval 974,17] [%emt 0:00:00]} Kd7 {(Kd7) [%eval -290,16] [%emt 0:00:00] 
} 46. Qg4+ {(Rxf8) [%eval 974,16] [%emt 0:00:00]} Kc7 { 
(Kc7) [%eval -830,17] [%emt 0:03:01]} 47. Rh2 { 
(Rh2) [%eval 974,15] [%emt 0:00:00]} Rh8 {(Rh8) [%eval -831,17] [%emt 0:00:25]} 
48. Rc2+ {(Rc2) [%eval 974,14] [%emt 0:00:00]} Kb7 { 
(Kb7) [%eval -1032,17] [%emt 0:00:35]} 49. Qg2+ { 
(Rb2) [%eval 974,13] [%emt 0:00:00]} d5 {(d5) [%eval -814,15] [%emt 0:00:10]} 
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[IWB]

I ment the average difference in plies depth between H3 and R4.1 in the clustermatch and in 8CPU match.
The average difference in plies searched in 8CPU match game (equal hardware) is not smaller (as should be expected) than in the games of cluster match.

That is irrelevant as:

The assumtion that R4.1 and R.Cluster show the same value as depth is unlikly. The cluster has a different method for counting nodes for sure, to assume the shown depth is somehow the same as in R4.1 is ... well, nothing more than an assumtion.

Bye
Ingo

[beram]

I ment the average difference in plies depth between H3 and R4.1 in the clustermatch and in 8CPU match.
The average difference in plies searched in 8CPU match game (equal hardware) is not smaller (as should be expected) than in the games of cluster match.

That is irrelevant as:

The assumtion that R4.1 and R.Cluster show the same value as depth is unlikly. The cluster has a different method for counting nodes for sure, to assume the shown depth is somehow the same as in R4.1 is ... well, nothing more than an assumtion.

Bye
Ingo

the assumption that they are fairly comparable is correct

[Dragan]

I also noticed this difference in depth. It indicates that clusters computing power (slow CPUs + overhead) is much lower then the power of Clemens's 16CPU machine. Of course assuming that depth shown by the cluster is comparable to R4.1 which is more then fair assumption.
They should really pull the plug on the cluster or update its software and hardware. The way it is now, it looks pretty close to being a scam.

[Michel]

You can't draw conclusions from depth. If an engine is very selective it can reach high depths but this does not mean it will play better than a less selective engine. Everything is a trade-off.

[Dr.Wael Deeb]

... will be played on Monday 17.12.2012 at 19.00 CET on Playchess.

New short unusual opening.

CU
Ingo

PS: If we have enough Ducats left game 6 will be on Tuesday, same time.

1. b3

[Dragan]

You completely missed the point. Read all posts more carefully.