The Champions 2012 8CPU

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Re: Round 24

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So is there not even one person who has any agreement or disagreement or any interesting comment to make on my first post here?
1). Didn't Rybka 1 tear away from the stagnation, and all the other programs of the time?
2). Didn't Rybkas 2 and 3 take it much further than even that?
3). Didn't the clones provide a challenge to Rybka 3 (even if it was stolen property FROM Rybka)?
4). Don't we see that Hiarcs 14 is atleast as strong as the first clones which were not weaker than Rybka 3?
5).And that Hiarcs is now the strongest of even the present upgraded Junior, Shredder, Fritz, etc? i.e. the old programs which used to take turns in leading the field for many years, before Rybka came in (which also included Genius, Rebel, Chess master, Tiger etc.

Everyone agrees with 1-5? [esp, no. (4 and) 5, which is my main comment]


S.Taylor wrote:
kranium wrote:
S.Taylor wrote:So Hiarcs seems to be the strongest from the oldies like Fritz, Shredder, Junior, and obviously also the contemporaries of those times which are not continued at all.
Hiarcs overlaps some of the "clones" too, which is a big achievement, if it itself did not benefit from clone technology, which caused a whole generation to get above Rybka 3, which was a big leap ahead, ever since Rybka 1 came out.
So Hiarcs is clearly stronger than Rybka 3, withOUT clone.

Frankly, I don't really know what all this means, however. But it sounds good.

Even if Hiarcs DOES now take whatever it wants to from Cloneworld, it hides behind the reputation that it does NOT.
to draw such broad conclusions after so few games is naive to say the least...
You dispute that Hiarcs is strongest from Hiarcs, Shredder, Junior, Fritz? (and Chessmaster, Tiger, Rebel, Genius)
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Re: Round 24

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S.Taylor wrote:So is there not even one person who has any agreement or disagreement or any interesting comment to make on my first post here?
1). Didn't Rybka 1 tear away from the stagnation, and all the other programs of the time?
2). Didn't Rybkas 2 and 3 take it much further than even that?
3). Didn't the clones provide a challenge to Rybka 3 (even if it was stolen property FROM Rybka)?
4). Don't we see that Hiarcs 14 is atleast as strong as the first clones which were not weaker than Rybka 3?
5).And that Hiarcs is now the strongest of even the present upgraded Junior, Shredder, Fritz, etc? i.e. the old programs which used to take turns in leading the field for many years, before Rybka came in (which also included Genius, Rebel, Chess master, Tiger etc.

Everyone agrees with 1-5? [esp, no. (4 and) 5, which is my main comment
Hiarcs 14 is not as strong as Rybka 3 was.
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Round 34

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THE CHAMPIONS 2012 8CPU

Xeon X5430x2 Octal
ChessGUI
2048mb hash per engine where possible
3-4-5 piece tablebases
Ponder off
WorldClass2012-3.cgb book (limited to 8 move depth)
40 moves in 29 minutes repeating (equivalent to CCRL 40/40)
All engines 64-bit 8CPU where available
4 cycles 52 rounds


Round 34

Akkad 0.52b 64-bit 8CPU v Hannibal 20121202 64-bit 8CPU (draw)
RobboLito 0.21Q 64-bit 8CPU v Bouquet 1.6 64-bit 8CPU (draw)
Hiarcs 14 8CPU v Sting SF 2 64-bit 8CPU (draw)
Chiron 1.5 64-bit 8CPU v Equinox 1.65 64-bit 8CPU (0-1)
Deep Junior 13.3 64-bit 8CPU v Rybka 4.1 64-bit 8CPU (draw)
Deep Shredder 12 64-bit 8CPU v Stockfish 2.3.1 64-bit 8CPU (draw)
Houdini 3 64-bit 8CPU v Critter 1.6a 64-bit 8CPU (draw)


Standings after Round 34

26.5 - Houdini 3 64-bit 8CPU
20.5 - Sting SF 2 64-bit 8CPU
20.0 - Stockfish 2.3.1 64-bit 8CPU
20.0 - Rybka 4.1 64-bit 8CPU
19.0 - Critter 1.6a 64-bit 8CPU
19.0 - Equinox 1.65 64-bit 8CPU
17.5 - Hiarcs 14 8CPU
16.0 - RobboLito 0.21Q 64-bit 8CPU
16.0 - Bouquet 1.6 64-bit 8CPU
15.5 - Deep Junior 13.3 64-bit 8CPU
15.0 - Akkad 0.52b 64-bit 8CPU
11.5 - Chiron 1.5 64-bit 8CPU
11.5 - Hannibal 20121202 64-bit 8CPU
10.0 - Deep Shredder 12 64-bit 8CPU


Round 34 PGN - http://kirill-kryukov.com/chess/discuss ... p?id=28293

If you install TLCV (Tom's Live Chess Viewer) on your computer, you can watch the games live move by move. You'll also be able to chat to others following the tournament in the chatroom there.
http://home.pacific.net.au/~tommyinoz/client.zip
Host - GrahamCCRL.dyndns.org Port - 16083

There is also a live broadcast in Playchess.
gbanksnz at gmail.com
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Round 35

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THE CHAMPIONS 2012 8CPU

Xeon X5430x2 Octal
ChessGUI
2048mb hash per engine where possible
3-4-5 piece tablebases
Ponder off
WorldClass2012-3.cgb book (limited to 8 move depth)
40 moves in 29 minutes repeating (equivalent to CCRL 40/40)
All engines 64-bit 8CPU where available
4 cycles 52 rounds


Round 35

RobboLito 0.21Q 64-bit 8CPU v Hannibal 20121202 64-bit 8CPU (1-0)
Hiarcs 14 8CPU v Akkad 0.52b 64-bit 8CPU (0-1)
Chiron 1.5 64-bit 8CPU v Bouquet 1.6 64-bit 8CPU (0-1)
Deep Junior 13.3 64-bit 8CPU v Sting SF 2 64-bit 8CPU (draw)
Deep Shredder 12 64-bit 8CPU v Equinox 1.65 64-bit 8CPU (0-1)
Houdini 3 64-bit 8CPU v Rybka 4.1 64-bit 8CPU (draw)
Critter 1.6a 64-bit 8CPU v Stockfish 2.3.1 64-bit 8CPU (draw)


Standings after Round 35

27.0 - Houdini 3 64-bit 8CPU
21.0 - Sting SF 2 64-bit 8CPU
20.5 - Rybka 4.1 64-bit 8CPU
20.5 - Stockfish 2.3.1 64-bit 8CPU
20.0 - Equinox 1.65 64-bit 8CPU
19.5 - Critter 1.6a 64-bit 8CPU
17.5 - Hiarcs 14 8CPU
17.0 - RobboLito 0.21Q 64-bit 8CPU
17.0 - Bouquet 1.6 64-bit 8CPU
16.0 - Deep Junior 13.3 64-bit 8CPU
16.0 - Akkad 0.52b 64-bit 8CPU
11.5 - Chiron 1.5 64-bit 8CPU
11.5 - Hannibal 20121202 64-bit 8CPU
10.0 - Deep Shredder 12 64-bit 8CPU


Round 35 PGN - http://kirill-kryukov.com/chess/discuss ... p?id=28298

If you install TLCV (Tom's Live Chess Viewer) on your computer, you can watch the games live move by move. You'll also be able to chat to others following the tournament in the chatroom there.
http://home.pacific.net.au/~tommyinoz/client.zip
Host - GrahamCCRL.dyndns.org Port - 16083

There is also a live broadcast in Playchess.
gbanksnz at gmail.com
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Round 36

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THE CHAMPIONS 2012 8CPU

Xeon X5430x2 Octal
ChessGUI
2048mb hash per engine where possible
3-4-5 piece tablebases
Ponder off
WorldClass2012-3.cgb book (limited to 8 move depth)
40 moves in 29 minutes repeating (equivalent to CCRL 40/40)
All engines 64-bit 8CPU where available
4 cycles 52 rounds


Round 36

Hiarcs 14 8CPU v Hannibal 20121202 64-bit 8CPU (draw)
Chiron 1.5 64-bit 8CPU v RobboLito 0.21Q 64-bit 8CPU (draw)
Deep Junior 13.3 64-bit 8CPU v Akkad 0.52b 64-bit 8CPU (draw)
Deep Shredder 12 64-bit 8CPU v Bouquet 1.6 64-bit 8CPU (0-1)
Houdini 3 64-bit 8CPU v Sting SF 2 64-bit 8CPU (draw)
Critter 1.6a 64-bit 8CPU v Equinox 1.65 64-bit 8CPU (draw)
Stockfish 2.3.1 64-bit 8CPU v Rybka 4.1 64-bit 8CPU (1-0)


Standings after Round 36

27.5 - Houdini 3 64-bit 8CPU
21.5 - Stockfish 2.3.1 64-bit 8CPU
21.5 - Sting SF 2 64-bit 8CPU
20.5 - Rybka 4.1 64-bit 8CPU
20.5 - Equinox 1.65 64-bit 8CPU
20.0 - Critter 1.6a 64-bit 8CPU
18.0 - Hiarcs 14 8CPU
18.0 - Bouquet 1.6 64-bit 8CPU
17.5 - RobboLito 0.21Q 64-bit 8CPU
16.5 - Deep Junior 13.3 64-bit 8CPU
16.5 - Akkad 0.52b 64-bit 8CPU
12.0 - Chiron 1.5 64-bit 8CPU
12.0 - Hannibal 20121202 64-bit 8CPU
10.0 - Deep Shredder 12 64-bit 8CPU


Round 36 PGN - http://kirill-kryukov.com/chess/discuss ... p?id=28305

If you install TLCV (Tom's Live Chess Viewer) on your computer, you can watch the games live move by move. You'll also be able to chat to others following the tournament in the chatroom there.
http://home.pacific.net.au/~tommyinoz/client.zip
Host - GrahamCCRL.dyndns.org Port - 16083

There is also a live broadcast in Playchess.
gbanksnz at gmail.com
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Round 37

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THE CHAMPIONS 2012 8CPU

Xeon X5430x2 Octal
ChessGUI
2048mb hash per engine where possible
3-4-5 piece tablebases
Ponder off
WorldClass2012-3.cgb book (limited to 8 move depth)
40 moves in 29 minutes repeating (equivalent to CCRL 40/40)
All engines 64-bit 8CPU where available
4 cycles 52 rounds


Round 37

Chiron 1.5 64-bit 8CPU v Hannibal 20121202 64-bit 8CPU (draw)
Deep Junior 13.3 64-bit 8CPU v Hiarcs 14 8CPU (1-0)
Deep Shredder 12 64-bit 8CPU v RobboLito 0.21Q 64-bit 8CPU (0-1)
Houdini 3 64-bit 8CPU v Akkad 0.52b 64-bit 8CPU (draw)
Critter 1.6a 64-bit 8CPU v Bouquet 1.6 64-bit 8CPU (draw)
Stockfish 2.3.1 64-bit 8CPU v Sting SF 2 64-bit 8CPU (0-1)
Rybka 4.1 64-bit 8CPU v Equinox 1.65 64-bit 8CPU (1-0)


Standings after Round 37

28.0 - Houdini 3 64-bit 8CPU
22.5 - Sting SF 2 64-bit 8CPU
21.5 - Stockfish 2.3.1 64-bit 8CPU
21.5 - Rybka 4.1 64-bit 8CPU
20.5 - Critter 1.6a 64-bit 8CPU
20.5 - Equinox 1.65 64-bit 8CPU
18.5 - RobboLito 0.21Q 64-bit 8CPU
18.5 - Bouquet 1.6 64-bit 8CPU
18.0 - Hiarcs 14 8CPU
17.5 - Deep Junior 13.3 64-bit 8CPU
17.0 - Akkad 0.52b 64-bit 8CPU
12.5 - Chiron 1.5 64-bit 8CPU
12.5 - Hannibal 20121202 64-bit 8CPU
10.0 - Deep Shredder 12 64-bit 8CPU


Round 37 PGN - http://kirill-kryukov.com/chess/discuss ... p?id=28311

If you install TLCV (Tom's Live Chess Viewer) on your computer, you can watch the games live move by move. You'll also be able to chat to others following the tournament in the chatroom there.
http://home.pacific.net.au/~tommyinoz/client.zip
Host - GrahamCCRL.dyndns.org Port - 16083

There is also a live broadcast in Playchess.
gbanksnz at gmail.com
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Round 38

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THE CHAMPIONS 2012 8CPU

Xeon X5430x2 Octal
ChessGUI
2048mb hash per engine where possible
3-4-5 piece tablebases
Ponder off
WorldClass2012-3.cgb book (limited to 8 move depth)
40 moves in 29 minutes repeating (equivalent to CCRL 40/40)
All engines 64-bit 8CPU where available
4 cycles 52 rounds


Round 38

Deep Junior 13.3 64-bit 8CPU v Hannibal 20121202 64-bit 8CPU (1-0)
Deep Shredder 12 64-bit 8CPU v Chiron 1.5 64-bit 8CPU (1-0)
Houdini 3 64-bit 8CPU v Hiarcs 14 8CPU (1-0)
Critter 1.6a 64-bit 8CPU v RobboLito 0.21Q 64-bit 8CPU (draw)
Stockfish 2.3.1 64-bit 8CPU v Akkad 0.52b 64-bit 8CPU (draw)
Rybka 4.1 64-bit 8CPU v Bouquet 1.6 64-bit 8CPU (draw)
Equinox 1.65 64-bit 8CPU v Sting SF 2 64-bit 8CPU (draw)


Standings after Round 38

29.0 - Houdini 3 64-bit 8CPU
23.0 - Sting SF 2 64-bit 8CPU
22.0 - Stockfish 2.3.1 64-bit 8CPU
22.0 - Rybka 4.1 64-bit 8CPU
21.0 - Critter 1.6a 64-bit 8CPU
21.0 - Equinox 1.65 64-bit 8CPU
19.0 - RobboLito 0.21Q 64-bit 8CPU
19.0 - Bouquet 1.6 64-bit 8CPU
18.5 - Deep Junior 13.3 64-bit 8CPU
18.0 - Hiarcs 14 8CPU
17.5 - Akkad 0.52b 64-bit 8CPU
12.5 - Chiron 1.5 64-bit 8CPU
12.5 - Hannibal 20121202 64-bit 8CPU
11.0 - Deep Shredder 12 64-bit 8CPU


Round 38 PGN - http://kirill-kryukov.com/chess/discuss ... p?id=28316

If you install TLCV (Tom's Live Chess Viewer) on your computer, you can watch the games live move by move. You'll also be able to chat to others following the tournament in the chatroom there.
http://home.pacific.net.au/~tommyinoz/client.zip
Host - GrahamCCRL.dyndns.org Port - 16083

There is also a live broadcast in Playchess.
gbanksnz at gmail.com
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Round 39

Post by Graham Banks »

THE CHAMPIONS 2012 8CPU

Xeon X5430x2 Octal
ChessGUI
2048mb hash per engine where possible
3-4-5 piece tablebases
Ponder off
WorldClass2012-3.cgb book (limited to 8 move depth)
40 moves in 29 minutes repeating (equivalent to CCRL 40/40)
All engines 64-bit 8CPU where available
4 cycles 52 rounds


Round 39

Deep Shredder 12 64-bit 8CPU v Hannibal 20121202 64-bit 8CPU (draw)
Houdini 3 64-bit 8CPU v Deep Junior 13.3 64-bit 8CPU (draw)
Critter 1.6a 64-bit 8CPU v Chiron 1.5 64-bit 8CPU (1-0)
Stockfish 2.3.1 64-bit 8CPU v Hiarcs 14 8CPU (1-0)
Rybka 4.1 64-bit 8CPU v RobboLito 0.21Q 64-bit 8CPU (1-0)
Equinox 1.65 64-bit 8CPU v Akkad 0.52b 64-bit 8CPU (draw)
Sting SF 2 64-bit 8CPU v Bouquet 1.6 64-bit 8CPU (0-1)


Standings after Round 39

29.5 - Houdini 3 64-bit 8CPU
23.0 - Stockfish 2.3.1 64-bit 8CPU
23.0 - Sting SF 2 64-bit 8CPU
23.0 - Rybka 4.1 64-bit 8CPU
22.0 - Critter 1.6a 64-bit 8CPU
21.5 - Equinox 1.65 64-bit 8CPU
20.0 - Bouquet 1.6 64-bit 8CPU
19.0 - Deep Junior 13.3 64-bit 8CPU
19.0 - RobboLito 0.21Q 64-bit 8CPU
18.0 - Akkad 0.52b 64-bit 8CPU
18.0 - Hiarcs 14 8CPU
13.0 - Hannibal 20121202 64-bit 8CPU
12.5 - Chiron 1.5 64-bit 8CPU
11.5 - Deep Shredder 12 64-bit 8CPU


Round 39 PGN - http://kirill-kryukov.com/chess/discuss ... p?id=28319

If you install TLCV (Tom's Live Chess Viewer) on your computer, you can watch the games live move by move. You'll also be able to chat to others following the tournament in the chatroom there.
http://home.pacific.net.au/~tommyinoz/client.zip
Host - GrahamCCRL.dyndns.org Port - 16083

There is also a live broadcast in Playchess.
gbanksnz at gmail.com
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Round 40

Post by Graham Banks »

THE CHAMPIONS 2012 8CPU

Xeon X5430x2 Octal
ChessGUI
2048mb hash per engine where possible
3-4-5 piece tablebases
Ponder off
WorldClass2012-3.cgb book (limited to 8 move depth)
40 moves in 29 minutes repeating (equivalent to CCRL 40/40)
All engines 64-bit 8CPU where available
4 cycles 52 rounds


Round 40

Hannibal 20121202 64-bit 8CPU v Houdini 3 64-bit 8CPU (0-1)
Deep Shredder 12 64-bit 8CPU v Critter 1.6a 64-bit 8CPU (draw)
Deep Junior 13.3 64-bit 8CPU v Stockfish 2.3.1 64-bit 8CPU (0-1)
Chiron 1.5 64-bit 8CPU v Rybka 4.1 64-bit 8CPU (draw)
Hiarcs 14 8CPU v Equinox 1.65 64-bit 8CPU (draw)
RobboLito 0.21Q 64-bit 8CPU v Sting SF 2 64-bit 8CPU (0-1)
Akkad 0.52b 64-bit 8CPU v Bouquet 1.6 64-bit 8CPU (1-0)


Standings after Round 40

30.5 - Houdini 3 64-bit 8CPU
24.0 - Stockfish 2.3.1 64-bit 8CPU
24.0 - Sting SF 2 64-bit 8CPU
23.5 - Rybka 4.1 64-bit 8CPU
22.5 - Critter 1.6a 64-bit 8CPU
22.0 - Equinox 1.65 64-bit 8CPU
20.0 - Bouquet 1.6 64-bit 8CPU
19.0 - Deep Junior 13.3 64-bit 8CPU
19.0 - Akkad 0.52b 64-bit 8CPU
19.0 - RobboLito 0.21Q 64-bit 8CPU
18.5 - Hiarcs 14 8CPU
13.0 - Chiron 1.5 64-bit 8CPU
13.0 - Hannibal 20121202 64-bit 8CPU
12.0 - Deep Shredder 12 64-bit 8CPU


Round 40 PGN - http://kirill-kryukov.com/chess/discuss ... p?id=28322

If you install TLCV (Tom's Live Chess Viewer) on your computer, you can watch the games live move by move. You'll also be able to chat to others following the tournament in the chatroom there.
http://home.pacific.net.au/~tommyinoz/client.zip
Host - GrahamCCRL.dyndns.org Port - 16083

There is also a live broadcast in Playchess.
gbanksnz at gmail.com
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Re: Round 40

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Cross table after round 40:

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