Stockfish 090613 beating all Houdini versions @ 40/40

[Uri Blass]

@Mark

I am interested in the manner which you were attacked by Miguel and any speculation as to the reason for it. I must admit that I can not detect the attack in the public exchanges between you and Miguel.

Adam,
All of this started when
Miguel responded to a claim that mark young did not claim when he wrote:

"You are making this conclusion with only 8 games
(against H3). The error is gigantic."

It seems based on the post of Miguel that mark young made a conclusion that he did not make.

Giving the impression that somebody make a claim that he did not make is a wrong step.

It is possible that Miguel did not do it on purpose and it started from a misunderstanding but I can understand that this post created a feeling that is similiar to the feeling after a post of personal attack.

Uri

[syzygy]

@Mark

I am interested in the manner which you were attacked by Miguel and any speculation as to the reason for it. I must admit that I can not detect the attack in the public exchanges between you and Miguel.

Adam,
All of this started when
Miguel responded to a claim that mark young did not claim when he wrote:

"You are making this conclusion with only 8 games
(against H3). The error is gigantic."

It seems based on the post of Miguel that mark young made a conclusion that he did not make.

Giving the impression that somebody make a claim that he did not make is a wrong step.

Call it wrong, but a wrong comment does not need to be replied to with rudeness.

I think it is pretty clear that the title of this thread in combination with the number of games invited a comment as to the number of games played. The title is calling for attention. It made me click on the thread whereas I ignore almost all other threads in this part of the forum. Then I saw the number of games and thought "duh". I read Miguel's comment as another "duh".

[geots]

Stockfish is moving so fast, I can not even keep up. This version I am testing is already many version behind the the current version and I am testing one that is only 3 days old.

I love the fact that the stockfish team is giving the public ever development version. It will keep me busy for some time.

As for Houdini, I hear it will not be out with a new version before next year.

If this is the case it maybe likely Houdini will no longer be the top chess engine.

It is possible going by the current results, that stockfish has already passed Houdini as the top chess engine, but it will take more test games to know for sure. But current results are looking good for Stockfish.

Stockfish is making quite a bit of progress. However, not every developmental version that Marco releases actually contains a functional change. In fact, there is no functional difference between the version with the timestamp 1371145832, released on June 13, and the version timestamped 1371381670, which was released on June 16.

Adam, it cannot beat Houdini 3. But IF it could, it still would not be Number 1 now- because I will bet any amount of money I can get my hands on there is not a development version right now that can beat Komodo MP. I have tested it too much. That is a promise from me to you.

As for 2 weeks from now, or next month- the way it is spitting out Stockfish versions- who knows. And Marco, besides being a friend, is no dummy. All I can tell you is what I see now. No Ouija board at my house.



Best-

george

I guess other testers can make statements with no games and Miguel is just fine with it. Just need to be Friend of Miguel and standards seems to change.

Miguel were is your outrage here, Man George is making Komodo MP sound great. A must buy....do you also have a problem with George making such speculatons with no game data at all.

or with Larry's speculations.....

It is starting to dawn on me that there is more going on here then meet the eye. It made no sense why some would get so mad at me and the stockfish results I posted. Why make such by big deal out of nothing.

But are silent when when other testers and programmers do the same and more.

This thread is getting curiouser and curiouser.

No game data- I got more tests and game data than you got brain cells, kid.
Don't ever assume you know what I have or don't have- your mouth is overloading your butt. 2 of my resulting tests have been here 24 hours. You got enough sense to find them? Komodo MP is No.2 in the world- easily. I will back that up with money. You name the amount. Because money talks and bullshit walks.

[Uri Blass]

mark young is not a kid and I remember him from posts in this forum in 1998 if I remember correctly when Fritz5 was the best engine of that time.

I guess that he is going to give game data later with the games and the question which engine is number 1 may be dependent on factor like time control or number of cores or book.

I guess that in blitz houdini is number 1 and komodo is number 2
but things are less clear at longer time control and they may be dependent on the exact conditions.

The gap between houdini3 and komodo or stockfish is not so big that it is impossible to imagine that things may be different in different conditions.

[geots]

mark young is not a kid and I remember him from posts in this forum in 1998 if I remember correctly when Fritz5 was the best engine of that time.

I guess that he is going to give game data later with the games and the question which engine is number 1 may be dependent on factor like time control or number of cores or book.

I guess that in blitz houdini is number 1 and komodo is number 2
but things are less clear at longer time control and they may be dependent on the exact conditions.

The gap between houdini3 and komodo or stockfish is not so big that it is impossible to imagine that things may be different in different conditions.

Uri, not really the point. Doesn't matter if he is 10 or 110 years old. I am not going to sit here and let anyone say I am talking with no results to back it up. Total bullshit- especially considering I have two results here on this page. I merely called him a kid because he is acting like one. Actually, ignorance knows no ages.

And on top of that insinuating I am trying to drum up sales. Like I make a penny when a copy is sold. I have just had enough of his mouth.



gts

[mwyoung]

mark young is not a kid and I remember him from posts in this forum in 1998 if I remember correctly when Fritz5 was the best engine of that time.

.

Good memory Uri,

I remember having to defend my Fritz 5 test results back then, because some had a interest in not seeing or hearing good test results for Fritz 5.

Some programs and testers did not like Fritz, and called Fritz a "bean counter". And tried to slander the programs playing style. I remember testers and programmer both doing this.

But my test results showed Fritz to be the strongest.

My response back then was if your program is so smart and Fritz is so dumb why can't it beat Fritz 5.

We know now in hindsight Fritz was the best back then.

Yes, I have been testing chess programs since the 1980's and not many people here have been testing as long as I have, but there are a few.