Mithu wrote:
Of course that is the point. You think there is no point in any engine having regular updates as it is steadily closing the gap against commercial engines! I guess your sense of an impending gloom (Stockfish surpassing Houdini) is actually going to be a reality soon thanks to these pointless updates!!!
what is your estimate when stockfish will surpass houdini. or at least current version.
This link above is a continuous tournament started by Jeff at a timecontrol of 120" + 0.05" if I'm not mistaken. Stockfish development against some foreign opponents that includes Houdini 3. So it is fast Blitz, it seems reasonably in line with official regression tests of which there are also quite a few recently, against Stockfish three only, at a timecontrol roughly comparable to this. Really longer timecontrol results are not available other than of course the excellent tests of Tom Casanovas. The page shows the recent development versions at about a hundred points behind Houdini 3. But if the measured difference, over many tests, of development compared with Stockfish three itself would still hold at longer timecontrols then I don't think Gerold is right that they are "about the same elo".
Regards, Eelco
Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first
place. Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you
are, by definition, not smart enough to debug it.
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Mithu wrote:
Of course that is the point. You think there is no point in any engine having regular updates as it is steadily closing the gap against commercial engines! I guess your sense of an impending gloom (Stockfish surpassing Houdini) is actually going to be a reality soon thanks to these pointless updates!!!
what is your estimate when stockfish will surpass houdini. or at least current version.
This link above is a continuous tournament started by Jeff at a timecontrol of 120" + 0.05" if I'm not mistaken. Stockfish development against some foreign opponents that includes Houdini 3. So it is fast Blitz, it seems reasonably in line with official regression tests of which there are also quite a few recently, against Stockfish three only, at a timecontrol roughly comparable to this. Really longer timecontrol results are not available other than of course the excellent tests of Tom Casanovas. The page shows the recent development versions at about a hundred points behind Houdini 3. But if the measured difference, over many tests, of development compared with Stockfish three itself would still hold at longer timecontrols then I don't think Gerold is right that they are "about the same elo".
Regards, Eelco
Hi Eelco. You could be right at longer TC. the latest updates could be stronger. My tests TC 5/3.
shrapnel wrote:
You got it all wrong, Mithun bro, I'm no Houdini fanboy.....I just go with what is the best.
If I may ask, go where? In other words, what exactly do you do with chess engines? Why does having the "best" matter? Surely you can't even earn a draw against either of these, so you not using them to play against.
Just curious.
Online engine-engine games against other engine players, what else ?
My Engine+PC is better than yours kinda stuff.
Curiosity satisfied ?
This is not such a good engine for several reasons.
There are huge shifts in the variations and he can't seem make up his mind at all. Houdini 3.0 Pro is much better in this regard and Houdini 3.0 Pro's evaluations are much more stable than Ultimate Stockfish. Houdini 3.0 Pro is just better than this engine.
Stockfish so far has been a big disappointment for me, as are all the other free engines.
The commercial engines like Houdini and Komodo are just better quality engines than the free engines.
The main disappointment in Stockfish is that it comes without a sophisticated GUI (graphic user interface) like the commercial Aquarium or the Fritz GUI from Chessbase, for example.
Arena simply does not compare to the commercial GUIs available. The commercial chess GUIs like Aquarium for example come with many more features like advanced Book options which Arena simply doesn't have.
Uri wrote:The main disappointment in Stockfish is that it comes without a sophisticated GUI (graphic user interface) like the commercial Aquarium or the Fritz GUI from Chessbase, for example.
Arena simply does not compare to the commercial GUIs available. The commercial chess GUIs like Aquarium for example come with many more features like advanced Book options which Arena simply doesn't have.
So what about you buying a commercial GUI but using the free Stockfish?????
kinderchocolate wrote:So what about you buying a commercial GUI but using the free Stockfish?????
I don't have the money to spend for it right now. I'm in big financial trouble you see and I'm also on disability benefits so I need to save my money for more important things in my life.
Chess provides me pleasure but right now I can and must postpone this pleasure.
