Alleged 'Cheater' Kicked Out from Bulgarian Chess Federation

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Re: Alleged 'Cheater' Kicked Out from Bulgarian Chess Federa

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Adam Hair wrote:
Milos wrote:
Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote:Did you understand that he was thoroughly checked at a specialised hospital (scanned, x-rayed, etc.), and no external implants to the body found at all? Does he undergo surgery 2 times per week, or before and after each tournament round?
He was not checked in any hospital and you are just lying plain and simple.
http://susanpolgar.blogspot.com/2013/06 ... g.html?m=1

From the article:
"Last month he subjected himself to CT scans and X-rays, which reportedly ruled out implants in his head or body, as he tries to overturn a ban from competition."

I do not know if this has been confirmed or debunked. But it is enough to confirm Lyudmil is not lying.
Says who? Who is the source of that information on SP blog?
Is this even SP writing those blogs?
Anyone can write anything especially if it comes from the mouth of condemned cheater.
Just because it is on the internet it doesn't represent truthful information.
And just because you cite something from the internet doesn't relieve you from the responsibility of spreading false information or libel.
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Re: Alleged 'Cheater' Kicked Out from Bulgarian Chess Federa

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IGarcia wrote: I doubt he was checked in a hospital.

The argument against him is: He used the "humiliation excuse" to not undress and avoid get caught with a device.

Your description of a micro-device implanted in his body is nonsense, or at least contradictory to previous argument. If that where true, the micro-device not even caught by a metal detector, Why he will refuse to undress?

You just pretend to be stupid and don't understand.
Receiver is an ear-plug pushed deep in his middle ear, possible to detect just by looking into ear with a light source and easily instantly removed by a third party with appropriate medical tool (tweezers).
Transmitter is a micro-switch with transmitter strapped somewhere on his body (his arm, thigh, chest or in his shoes, could be placed anywhere) which could be easily detected through any thorough strip search.
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Re: Alleged 'Cheater' Kicked Out from Bulgarian Chess Federa

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Milos wrote:
IGarcia wrote: I doubt he was checked in a hospital.

The argument against him is: He used the "humiliation excuse" to not undress and avoid get caught with a device.

Your description of a micro-device implanted in his body is nonsense, or at least contradictory to previous argument. If that where true, the micro-device not even caught by a metal detector, Why he will refuse to undress?

You just pretend to be stupid and don't understand.
Receiver is an ear-plug pushed deep in his middle ear, possible to detect just by looking into ear with a light source and easily instantly removed by a third party with appropriate medical tool (tweezers).
Transmitter is a micro-switch with transmitter strapped somewhere on his body (his arm, thigh, chest or in his shoes, could be placed anywhere) which could be easily detected through any thorough strip search.
You are the best detective since Hercule Poirot. Why don't you write a novel on how to find cheaters by mental experiments?
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Re: Alleged 'Cheater' Kicked Out from Bulgarian Chess Federa

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Milos wrote:
Adam Hair wrote:
Milos wrote:
Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote:Did you understand that he was thoroughly checked at a specialised hospital (scanned, x-rayed, etc.), and no external implants to the body found at all? Does he undergo surgery 2 times per week, or before and after each tournament round?
He was not checked in any hospital and you are just lying plain and simple.
http://susanpolgar.blogspot.com/2013/06 ... g.html?m=1

From the article:
"Last month he subjected himself to CT scans and X-rays, which reportedly ruled out implants in his head or body, as he tries to overturn a ban from competition."

I do not know if this has been confirmed or debunked. But it is enough to confirm Lyudmil is not lying.
Says who? Who is the source of that information on SP blog?
Is this even SP writing those blogs?
Anyone can write anything especially if it comes from the mouth of condemned cheater.
Just because it is on the internet it doesn't represent truthful information.
And just because you cite something from the internet doesn't relieve you from the responsibility of spreading false information or libel.
You did read my disclaimer, didn't you?

You said that Lyudmil was lying. He may indeed be unknowingly passing on false information, but that is different from lying.
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Re: Alleged 'Cheater' Kicked Out from Bulgarian Chess Federa

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Adam Hair wrote:You did read my disclaimer, didn't you?

You said that Lyudmil was lying. He may indeed be unknowingly passing on false information, but that is different from lying.
Or he may be knowingly passing false information, or misinterpreting real information and that is not different from lying.
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Re: Alleged 'Cheater' Kicked Out from Bulgarian Chess Federa

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Milos wrote: Says who? Who is the source of that information on SP blog?
Fleta Page from Canberra, Australia. No source is given for the information that Borislav "subjected himself to CT scans and X-rays". The article includes comments from Shaun Press, so maybe he is the source for the claims. Somehow I would expect to find a real report on this: Who did do the testing, and how. Currently there is no reason to believe that it even happened, and even less that it would be evidence of Ivanov's innocence.
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Re: Alleged 'Cheater' Kicked Out from Bulgarian Chess Federa

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Milos wrote:
Adam Hair wrote:You did read my disclaimer, didn't you?

You said that Lyudmil was lying. He may indeed be unknowingly passing on false information, but that is different from lying.
Or he may be knowingly passing false information, or misinterpreting real information and that is not different from lying.
I have not found sufficient proof that the scans were done on May 29, but I have seen enough to make me think it probably did occur.

If you are going to say that someone is lying, you should provide some evidence to back your charge. Your opinion alone is insufficient.
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Re: Alleged 'Cheater' Kicked Out from Bulgarian Chess Federa

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jjh13 wrote:
Milos wrote: Says who? Who is the source of that information on SP blog?
Fleta Page from Canberra, Australia. No source is given for the information that Borislav "subjected himself to CT scans and X-rays". The article includes comments from Shaun Press, so maybe he is the source for the claims. Somehow I would expect to find a real report on this: Who did do the testing, and how. Currently there is no reason to believe that it even happened, and even less that it would be evidence of Ivanov's innocence.
I have additional seen a purported translation of a motion presented in a Bulgarian court to stop the 4 month ban imposed by the Bulgarian Chess Federation. Ivanov's lawyer mentions that scans were done on May 29.
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Re: Alleged 'Cheater' Kicked Out from Bulgarian Chess Federa

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Adam Hair wrote:
jjh13 wrote:
Milos wrote: Says who? Who is the source of that information on SP blog?
Fleta Page from Canberra, Australia. No source is given for the information that Borislav "subjected himself to CT scans and X-rays". The article includes comments from Shaun Press, so maybe he is the source for the claims. Somehow I would expect to find a real report on this: Who did do the testing, and how. Currently there is no reason to believe that it even happened, and even less that it would be evidence of Ivanov's innocence.
I have additional seen a purported translation of a motion presented in a Bulgarian court to stop the 4 month ban imposed by the Bulgarian Chess Federation. Ivanov's lawyer mentions that scans were done on May 29.
All these things are hearsay.
Unless proper source is given they have equal or less strength as this:
http://www3.fodey.com/download-image/do ... a8a0.0.jpg
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Re: Alleged 'Cheater' Kicked Out from Bulgarian Chess Federa

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Milos wrote:
Adam Hair wrote:
jjh13 wrote:
Milos wrote: Says who? Who is the source of that information on SP blog?
Fleta Page from Canberra, Australia. No source is given for the information that Borislav "subjected himself to CT scans and X-rays". The article includes comments from Shaun Press, so maybe he is the source for the claims. Somehow I would expect to find a real report on this: Who did do the testing, and how. Currently there is no reason to believe that it even happened, and even less that it would be evidence of Ivanov's innocence.
I have additional seen a purported translation of a motion presented in a Bulgarian court to stop the 4 month ban imposed by the Bulgarian Chess Federation. Ivanov's lawyer mentions that scans were done on May 29.
All these things are hearsay.
Unless proper source is given they have equal or less strength as this:
http://www3.fodey.com/download-image/do ... a8a0.0.jpg
I agree with you.

However, your charge that Lyudmil was/is lying remains unsupported. This is the point I have been making.