Houdini vs Stockfish Match 2014

[Uri Blass]

I'm sorry but it's not fair. Stockfish is continually updated, why Houdini should remain the same? Even Martin Thoresen in the TCEC tournament follows the same criteria... What's the problem?

The 'problem' is that Uri is worried that while Houdini 4 is already beating Stockfish in LTC and on good Hardware like yours, a newer version of Houdini will COMPLETELY outclass Stockfish and CRUSH it.
So, according to him, its OK if Stockfish keeps getting updated, but he will cry "FOUL" if Houdini is updated !

I only said that I prefer not to see private versions in the match.
I have no objection if Robert Houdart release update for houdini4 to his customers and this update continue the match and in this case it is possible that good results may convince me to buy houdini.

Note that of course the tester is free to do what he wants and I only expressed my preference that are not always against updating houdini and if Robert houdart release a new version that people can get then I fully support new houdini in the match.

[Guenther]

Curious evaluation profile charts of both engines in the two games:

What do you feel "curious" here?

It is clear that he means the graphs look strange considering both graphs come from the same 8 moves start position plus 13 identically calculated half moves further on.
At first I found it also quite strange until I noticed the second graph is compressed by a factor ~5.3 (and the GUI probably did some rounding down the evals for the second graph).
This should explain most of the difference for full understanding though the full eval pgn is needed.

Guenther

[RIDDICK]

Also, I am surprised nobody tries to find an explanation as to why Houdini "seems" to perform better vs Stockfish in these games, compared to other LTC matches.

Of course it first has to be remembered that less than 100 games have been played so far.

Is it due to the narrow choice of openings? (is Stockfish not so good on Sicilians?)

Also note that a few games were played with Stockfish Syzygy compiles by Ronald de Man, dated Feb 18 to Feb 21 (1st compile), known to be buggy.
(see http://www.talkchess.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=51378 )

If Stockfish is not so good on Sicilian Defense, it's a problem of Stockfish and it's not a Sicilian Defense limitation! The opening library includes 248 differents opening lines (496 games, and not Sicilian Defense only), we will see at the end of the match...

About Ronald de Man's buggy versions, 4 games only (2 opening line) were played by Stockfish 180214 and Stockfish 210214 (also this is the 2nd version), and final score was 2-2 (½-½; ½-½; 1-0; 1-0). I don't think this is a problem for the match. There is no need to look for excuses.

This LTC match is different from the other played so far. I don't know about same time control (120/40, 60/20, 15'+15") on the same hardware configuration. Houdini mean speed is ~20.000 kN/s and Stockfish mean speed is ~13.000 kN/s, so Houdini mean depth is ~30 plies and Stockfish mean depth is ~42 plies at this time control (so far)! This is the only match played so far at this time control with such a high number of games (TCEC-Superfinal Head-to-Head = 48 games = 24 opening lines). So if you want contest result of this match, I invite you to performe a match with the same characteristics, so we can compare the results. Otherwise, it's just talk...

[shrapnel]

Is it due to the narrow choice of openings? (is Stockfish not so good on Sicilians?)

Also note that a few games were played with Stockfish Syzygy compiles by Ronald de Man, dated Feb 18 to Feb 21 (1st compile), known to be buggy.

Talk about whining !? This takes the ruddy CAKE !
I better not say more for fear of annoying our sensitive Moderators
...but really, "Stockfish not so good in Sicilian...and buggy Stockfish compiles " ROFL.... this website is turning more into a Comedy site than a Computer chess site

[Sedat Canbaz]

Is it due to the narrow choice of openings? (is Stockfish not so good on Sicilians?)

Also note that a few games were played with Stockfish Syzygy compiles by Ronald de Man, dated Feb 18 to Feb 21 (1st compile), known to be buggy.

Talk about whining !? This takes the ruddy CAKE !
I better not say more for fear of annoying our sensitive Moderators
...but really, "Stockfish not so good in Sicilian...and buggy Stockfish compiles " ROFL.... this website is turning more into a Comedy site than a Computer chess site

What are you talking about ???

Talkchess site is one of the most respected forums for Computer Chess!

It's a pity that there are a few clever guys like you who are trying to damage and bringing dark shadow over this great site !!!

But my 6th sense says that Talkchess Moderators will take serious actions over a such persons (like you) !!

Btw,
Stockfish is doing very good even at 40/120 Sicilian openings too

For a full list of games, please click 'arrow' button



[pgn]
[Event "SCCT 40/120 "]
[Site "Antalya/Turkey"]
[Date "2014.02.08"]
[Round "2"]
[White "Stockfish 070114 x64 6c"]
[Black "Houdini 4 x64 6c"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "B66"]
[PlyCount "102"]
[EventDate "2014.??.??"]
[TimeControl "40/7200:20/3600:3600"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 Nc6 6. Bg5 e6 7. Qd2 a6 8.
O-O-O h6 {-0.14/28 861} 9. Be3 {+0.40/32 396} Bd7 {-0.09/27 446} 10. Kb1 {
+0.42/33 356} b5 {-0.12/26 270} 11. f3 {+0.32/32 126} Rb8 {-0.08/27 392} 12.
Nxc6 {+0.44/29 168} Bxc6 {-0.07/25 0} 13. h4 {+0.44/30 143} Qc7 {-0.15/26 138}
14. g4 {+0.62/31 265} Nd7 {-0.13/27 221} 15. Bg2 {+0.44/30 172} Ne5 {
-0.14/27 146} 16. b3 {+0.58/30 148} Qb7 {-0.21/28 531} 17. Qd4 {+0.36/30 135}
b4 {-0.19/27 328} 18. Ne2 {+0.62/30 164} a5 {-0.19/27 190} 19. Nf4 {
+0.48/32 158} a4 {-0.31/25 105} 20. Nh5 {+0.48/32 127} axb3 {-0.14/24 95} 21.
cxb3 {+0.90/30 126} Bb5 {-0.30/27 219} 22. g5 {+0.56/34 189} hxg5 {-0.36/26 114
} 23. hxg5 {+0.64/37 143} Rg8 {-0.39/27 178} 24. f4 {+0.94/35 156} Nd7 {
-0.65/26 242} 25. f5 {+1.25/34 280} e5 {-0.69/27 286} 26. Qd2 {+1.61/35 347}
Rc8 {-0.81/26 345} 27. Ka1 {+1.31/35 147} Rc3 {-0.74/26 157} 28. Rc1 {
+1.41/37 214} Qc6 {-0.78/27 205} 29. Ng3 {+1.41/36 257} Be7 {-0.78/27 97} 30.
Ne2 {+1.41/35 253} Rxc1+ {-0.75/26 93} 31. Nxc1 {+1.57/35 219} Ba6 {
-0.80/28 429} 32. Nd3 {+2.04/38 206} Qc3+ {-1.75/28 313} 33. Qxc3 {+1.89/40 161
} bxc3 {-1.58/25 26} 34. Nb4 {+1.97/40 242} Bb7 {-1.44/27 125} 35. Rh4 {
+2.06/35 160} Nc5 {-1.21/26 114} 36. Kb1 {+1.93/38 185} Kd7 {-1.60/26 169} 37.
Kc2 {+2.10/38 306} Ra8 {-1.49/26 122} 38. Kxc3 {+2.12/37 245} Rc8 {-1.29/26 88}
39. Kb2 {+2.22/37 287} Rf8 {-1.41/26 104} 40. Kb1 {+2.26/39 451} Rb8 {
-1.43/24 34} 41. Bd2 {+1.96/39 152} f6 {-1.96/29 593} 42. g6 {+3.45/34 152} Na6
{-1.94/30 88} 43. Nd5 {+3.81/38 220} Nc7 {-2.72/31 972} 44. Nb6+ {+4.38/35 158}
Kc6 {-2.68/28 146} 45. Be3 {+4.28/37 282} Bf8 {-3.00/29 472} 46. Rh7 {
+4.78/35 196} Ba6 {-3.37/28 350} 47. Kc2 {+5.23/36 135} Bc8 {-3.49/26 50} 48.


[Event "SCCT 40/120 "]
[Site "Antalya/Turkey"]
[Date "2014.02.07"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Houdini 4 x64 6c"]
[Black "Stockfish 070114 x64 6c"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "B67"]
[PlyCount "229"]
[EventDate "2014.??.??"]
[TimeControl "40/7200:20/3600:3600"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 Nc6 6. Bg5 e6 7. Qd2 a6 8.
O-O-O Bd7 {-0.12/30 250} 9. f4 {+0.35/25 241} h6 {-0.12/32 181} 10. Bh4 {
+0.28/27 199} Be7 {-0.40/31 161} 11. Nb3 {+0.36/26 276} b5 {-0.02/33 289} 12.
a3 {+0.32/28 417} g5 {0.00/34 129} 13. Bg3 {+0.32/28 211} gxf4 {0.00/32 188}
14. Bxf4 {+0.26/26 196} Ne5 {0.00/31 136} 15. Be2 {+0.24/25 469} Nc4 {
0.00/33 178} 16. Qd3 {+0.20/26 292} Qc7 {0.00/33 132} 17. Rhf1 {+0.21/26 178}
Rc8 {0.00/34 129} 18. Qf3 {+0.13/26 269} e5 {0.00/35 155} 19. Bd2 {+0.13/24 0}
Bg4 {0.00/36 216} 20. Qd3 {+0.20/25 121} Be6 {0.00/35 144} 21. h3 {+0.21/26 218
} Rg8 {0.00/31 188} 22. g4 {+0.17/27 188} Nb6 {-0.04/33 220} 23. Kb1 {
+0.13/27 1032} Na4 {+0.08/35 173} 24. Qe3 {+0.08/27 215} Nd7 {0.00/34 163} 25.
Rf3 {+0.10/26 112} Rg6 {0.00/35 238} 26. Qf2 {+0.04/27 116} Rf6 {+0.08/36 213}
27. Rxf6 {+0.03/28 232} Bxf6 {0.00/36 138} 28. Bd3 {+0.05/27 223} Nxc3+ {
0.00/38 215} 29. Bxc3 {+0.06/25 0} Bg5 {0.00/40 227} 30. Ba5 {+0.07/27 105} Qc6
{0.00/39 230} 31. Rf1 {0.00/27 144} Nc5 {0.00/39 165} 32. Nxc5 {-0.03/26 21}
dxc5 {0.00/40 161} 33. Qg3 {-0.08/29 118} Qd6 {0.00/41 227} 34. Rd1 {
-0.03/29 326} Bf4 {0.00/41 267} 35. Qf3 {-0.11/27 215} Qc6 {+0.02/38 215} 36.
Be2 {-0.08/29 257} b4 {0.00/38 190} 37. b3 {-0.02/30 111} bxa3 {0.00/40 451}
38. c4 {+0.03/31 165} Qb7 {0.00/39 441} 39. Ka2 {+0.10/31 193} Bg5 {0.00/41 325
} 40. Kxa3 {+0.12/30 247} Bd8 {0.00/42 379} 41. Bxd8 {-0.01/28 201} Rxd8 {
0.00/42 132} 42. Rxd8+ {-0.07/30 112} Kxd8 {0.00/43 167} 43. Qe3 {-0.05/30 133}
Qb4+ {0.00/38 205} 44. Kb2 {-0.03/31 112} Qe1 {0.00/40 114} 45. Kc2 {
-0.11/33 149} a5 {+0.36/41 134} 46. Qd2+ {-0.11/32 140} Qxd2+ {+0.37/57 135}
47. Kxd2 {-0.08/31} Bd7 {+0.37/60 158} 48. Bd1 {-0.02/34 187} Bc6 {+0.36/61 131
} 49. Bc2 {-0.02/35 330} Ke7 {+0.36/61 181} 50. Ke3 {-0.02/35 195} Kf6 {
+0.36/59 117} 51. h4 {-0.02/36 204} Ke6 {+0.36/62 130} 52. Bd1 {-0.02/34 158}
f6 {+0.36/68 120} 53. Kd3 {-0.02/35 172} Kd6 {+0.36/64 125} 54. Bc2 {
-0.18/36 901} Bd7 {+0.36/60 155} 55. Bd1 {-0.18/35 210} Be6 {+0.36/63 173} 56.
Kd2 {-0.64/30 57} Ke7 {+0.36/61 205} 57. Kc3 {-0.02/33 57} Bd7 {+0.36/62 203}
58. Kd3 {-0.02/34 66} Bc6 {+0.36/67 259} 59. Bc2 {-0.02/35 84} Kd6 {
+0.36/63 307} 60. Kc3 {-0.02/36 141} Kc7 {+0.36/63 376} 61. Bd3 {-0.10/32 67}
Bb7 {+0.36/60 90} 62. Bc2 {-0.69/32 285} Kb6 {+0.36/60 111} 63. Bd3 {
-0.71/30 69} a4 {+0.36/58 92} 64. Kb2 {-0.69/30 44} axb3 {+0.36/59 83} 65. Kxb3
{-0.68/31 35} Ka5 {+0.36/64 94} 66. Ka3 {-0.68/31 49} Bc6 {+0.36/62 63} 67. Bc2
{-0.73/32 86} Bd7 {+0.36/62 63} 68. Bd1 {-0.70/33 56} Kb6 {+0.36/62 73} 69. Kb3
{-0.65/31 32} Kc7 {+0.36/62 67} 70. Kc3 {-0.65/31 37} Kd6 {+0.36/66 58} 71. Kd2
{-0.65/30 42} Be6 {+0.36/66 64} 72. Kd3 {-0.68/30 32} Ke7 {+0.36/68 60} 73. Be2
{-0.68/30 35} Bd7 {+0.36/70 60} 74. Kd2 {-0.67/31 47} Ke6 {+0.36/67 81} 75. Bd1
{-0.68/31 37} Kf7 {+0.36/68 52} 76. Ke3 {-0.69/31 73} Be6 {+0.36/67 50} 77. Be2
{-0.64/29 45} Ke8 {+0.36/70 78} 78. Kd2 {-0.52/29 44} Kd7 {+0.36/71 74} 79. Kd3
{-0.62/29 27} Kc6 {+0.36/70 53} 80. Bf3 {-0.65/30 27} Bf7 {+0.36/67 48} 81. Bd1
{-0.65/30 29} Kd6 {+0.36/68 47} 82. Kc3 {-0.68/30 32} Be8 {+0.36/63 49} 83. Bf3
{-0.68/31 37} Bc6 {+0.36/68 67} 84. Kd2 {-0.68/30 26} Ba4 {+0.36/68 47} 85. Bd1
{-0.67/31 25} Bd7 {+0.36/60 46} 86. Kd3 {-0.66/30 25} Bc6 {+0.36/69 43} 87. Bf3
{-0.67/31 31} Ke6 {+0.36/71 43} 88. Be2 {-0.65/30 25} Ba4 {+0.36/73 153} 89.
Kd2 {-0.64/30 29} Kf7 {+0.36/68 121} 90. Bf3 {-0.65/31 30} Bc6 {+0.36/68 40}
91. Ke3 {-0.63/29 31} Ke7 {+0.36/74 50} 92. Kd2 {-0.01/30 26} Ke6 {+0.36/62 41}
93. Bg2 {-0.42/31 71} Ba4 {+0.36/65 51} 94. Bf1 {-0.13/31 39} Ke7 {+0.36/67 40}
95. Ke3 {-0.08/31 27} Bc6 {+0.36/64 32} 96. Be2 {-0.01/30 27} Bb7 {+0.36/63 30}
97. Kd3 {-0.02/30 21} Kf8 {+0.36/64 28} 98. Bf3 {-0.01/30 21} Bc6 {+0.36/69 27}
99. Bd1 {-0.01/31 21} Ke7 {+0.36/73 26} 100. Ke3 {-0.01/30 21} Kd6 {+0.36/66 29
} 101. Kd3 {-0.01/31 22} Bb7 {+0.36/67 37} 102. Ba4 {-0.01/30 20} Bc8 {
+0.36/58 29} 103. Bd1 {-0.01/28 0} Kc7 {+0.36/61 30} 104. Kd2 {-0.01/31 23} Kb6
{+0.36/61 31} 105. Bf3 {-0.01/31 21} Bd7 {+0.36/60 31} 106. Kc3 {-0.01/31 19}
Bc6 {+0.36/62 34} 107. Kc2 {-0.01/31 20} Ba4+ {+0.36/59 33} 108. Kd3 {
-0.01/31 19} Ka5 {+0.36/61 32} 109. Kc3 {-0.01/30 9} Bd7 {0.00/59 68} 110. Bd1
{-0.01/31 19} Bc6 {0.00/57 21} 111. Bc2 {-0.01/32 19} Be8 {0.00/53 17} 112. Bd3
{-0.01/31 20} Bf7 {0.00/61 20} 113. Be2 {-0.01/32 22} Be6 {0.00/60 19} 114. Bd1
{-0.01/32 18} Ka6 {0.00/66 92} 115. Kd3 {-0.01/34 22 50 moves rule} 1/2-1/2
b4 {+6.30/34 110} Na6 {-3.52/28 48} 49. a3 {+6.76/33 40} d5 {-5.81/27 238} 50.
Nxd5 {+8.70/33 149} Bd7 {-5.91/26 176} 51. Bh6 {+10.36/34 119} Nc7 {
-8.04/24 122 Arena Adjudication} 1-0

[Event "SCCT 40/120 "]
[Site "Antalya/Turkey"]
[Date "2014.02.05"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Komodo TCECr x64 6c"]
[Black "Stockfish 070114 x64 6c"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "B90"]
[PlyCount "194"]
[EventDate "2014.??.??"]
[TimeControl "40/7200:20/3600:3600"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Be3 e5 7. Nb3 Be6 8. f3
Be7 {0.00/33 236} 9. Qd2 {+0.26/27 362} O-O {0.00/35 108} 10. O-O-O {
+0.25/28 306} Nbd7 {0.00/35 153} 11. g4 {+0.27/27 172} b5 {-0.18/35 196} 12. g5
{+0.25/29 380} Nh5 {-0.20/35 318} 13. Nd5 {+0.30/26 282} Bxd5 {-0.20/33 168}
14. exd5 {+0.16/25 154} f5 {-0.12/36 175} 15. Rg1 {+0.33/26 265} f4 {
0.00/34 120} 16. Bf2 {+0.28/26 216} Bxg5 {-0.20/34 112} 17. Bh3 {+0.45/26 264}
Be7 {-0.32/34 169} 18. Na5 {+0.23/26 253} Ndf6 {-0.10/35 213} 19. Rge1 {
+0.54/27 565} Qc7 {-0.24/34 162} 20. Nc6 {+0.55/26 158} Rfe8 {-0.22/35 203} 21.
Kb1 {+0.39/27 310} g6 {-0.06/34 195} 22. Qd3 {+0.48/25 141} Bf8 {-0.16/37 217}
23. c4 {+0.47/24 139} bxc4 {-0.24/37 237} 24. Qxc4 {+0.39/24 77} Qg7 {
-0.12/36 373} 25. Be6+ {+0.45/26 245} Kh8 {-0.18/37 213} 26. Rg1 {+0.50/25 237}
Qh6 {-0.40/36 432} 27. Bh4 {+0.54/24 134} Qg7 {-0.24/35 189} 28. Rc1 {
+0.51/25 321} a5 {-0.26/32 126} 29. Rc3 {+0.62/24 146} Be7 {-0.28/32 291} 30.
Bg5 {+0.52/26 176} a4 {-0.28/35 153} 31. Ra3 {+0.68/26 138} Bd8 {-0.64/34 167}
32. Qb4 {+0.69/26 154} Qc7 {-0.78/35 557} 33. Rxa4 {+1.02/24 81} Qb6 {
-0.88/36 122} 34. Rc1 {+0.97/26 158} Qxb4 {-0.60/37 157} 35. Bxf6+ {+0.99/27 98
} Nxf6 {-0.56/39 157} 36. Rxb4 {+1.02/27 47} Ba5 {-0.74/39 286} 37. Rbc4 {
+0.88/26 107} Bb6 {-0.56/32 136} 38. a4 {+0.91/25 74} Kg7 {-0.50/35 312} 39.
Rd1 {+0.82/28 376} h5 {-0.70/34 209} 40. Rb4 {+0.82/28 415} Be3 {-0.80/36 320}
41. a5 {+0.79/29 198} g5 {-0.58/34 189} 42. h3 {+0.85/27 155} Kh6 {-0.40/35 213
} 43. Rh1 {+0.84/27 134} Rh8 {-0.64/35 139} 44. Kc2 {+0.80/28 227} Rh7 {
-0.50/35 241} 45. Rc4 {+0.71/27 227} Kg6 {-0.72/34 198} 46. Kd3 {+0.55/27 342}
Rah8 {0.00/37 133} 47. Rc2 {+0.39/27 217} g4 {0.00/38 117} 48. Rg2 {
+0.16/28 277} g3 {0.00/39 142} 49. b4 {+0.32/27 202} h4 {0.00/36 105} 50. b5 {
+0.20/28 189} Ra8 {0.00/37 108} 51. Rb1 {+0.35/26 101} Rb7 {0.00/38 111} 52.
Rc2 {0.00/25 198} Kg5 {0.00/39 125} 53. b6 {-0.06/24 99} Kg6 {0.00/39 125} 54.
Rc3 {-0.06/28 204} Bf2 {0.00/37 134} 55. Rd1 {+0.09/26 247} Be3 {0.00/36 140}
56. Rc2 {+0.01/26 139} Kh6 {0.00/38 169} 57. Rb2 {-0.06/28 133} Kg5 {
0.00/43 179} 58. Rdb1 {+0.06/25 137} Bc5 {0.00/43 223} 59. Rf1 {-0.06/29 113}
Be3 {0.00/43 365} 60. Re1 {-0.06/24 53} Kh6 {0.00/42 436} 61. Rxe3 {
-0.06/27 155} fxe3 {+0.30/32 25} 62. Kxe3 {-0.04/27 14} Nh5 {+0.06/34 63} 63.
Kd3 {-0.04/27 49} Nf4+ {0.00/36 107} 64. Kc4 {-0.04/27 21} Kg5 {0.00/39 77} 65.
Kb5 {-0.04/29 116} Nd3 {0.00/36 57} 66. Rg2 {-0.04/29 122} Nc5 {0.00/37 95} 67.
Re2 {-0.04/29 73} Rg7 {0.00/33 116} 68. Bg4 {-0.04/28 69} Rg6 {+0.28/35 88} 69.
Ne7 {-0.04/26 67} Rf6 {+0.46/34 183} 70. Nc6 {-0.04/28 97} Rf4 {+0.72/33 58}
71. Re1 {-0.04/26 59} Kh6 {+1.25/33 213} 72. Rg1 {-0.04/26 144} e4 {+1.03/36 41
} 73. Nd4 {-0.04/26 51} e3 {0.00/32 38} 74. Nf5+ {-0.04/28 33} Rxf5 {0.00/35 36
} 75. Bxf5 {-0.04/25 12} Kg5 {0.00/38 38} 76. Be4 {0.00/29 62} Kf4 {0.00/40 38}
77. Rg2 {-0.03/29 38} Nxe4 {0.00/38 46} 78. fxe4 {-0.02/30 43} Rg8 {0.00/39 48}
79. a6 {0.00/28 32} Kf3 {0.00/40 45} 80. Rg1 {0.00/30 32} e2 {0.00/40 41} 81.
b7 {0.00/28 20} Kf2 {0.00/41 47} 82. Rb1 {0.00/28 27} g2 {0.00/40 33} 83. a7 {
0.00/26 19} e1=Q {0.00/41 45} 84. Rxe1 {0.00/26 14} Kxe1 {0.00/41 37} 85. a8=Q
{0.00/27 22} g1=Q {0.00/39 27} 86. Qa1+ {0.00/26 13} Kf2 {0.00/40 28} 87. Qxg1+
{0.00/26 25} Kxg1 {0.00/47 27} 88. Kc6 {0.00/25 19} Kg2 {0.00/49 34} 89. Kxd6 {
0.00/23 13} Kxh3 {0.00/51 25} 90. Kc7 {0.00/23 15} Rg7+ {0.00/49 28} 91. Kc6 {
0.00/24 16} Rg8 {0.00/52 23} 92. d6 {0.00/23 19} Kg4 {0.00/52 36} 93. d7 {
0.00/21 12} h3 {0.00/49 14} 94. Kc7 {0.00/21 10} h2 {0.00/50 35} 95. b8=Q {
0.00/21 12} Rxb8 {0.00/54 21} 96. Kxb8 {0.00/21 9} h1=Q {0.00/56 17} 97. d8=Q {
0.00/22 11} Qxe4 {0.00/62 22 User Adjudication} 1/2-1/2

[Event "SCCT 40/120 "]
[Site "Antalya/Turkey"]
[Date "2014.02.06"]
[Round "3"]
[White "Komodo TCECr x64 6c"]
[Black "Stockfish 070114 x64 6c"]
[Result "0-1"]
[ECO "B80"]
[PlyCount "127"]
[EventDate "2014.??.??"]
[TimeControl "40/7200:20/3600:40/1200"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Be3 e6 7. f3 b5 8. a3 {
+0.14/25 312} Bb7 {0.00/32 135} 9. Qd2 {+0.07/25 274} Nbd7 {0.00/31 118} 10.
O-O-O {+0.10/25 180} Rc8 {+0.16/30 174} 11. h4 {+0.04/25 441} Be7 {0.00/32 206}
12. Kb1 {+0.15/25 377} h5 {0.00/31 198} 13. Rh3 {+0.12/26 417} O-O {0.00/30 310
} 14. Rg3 {+0.21/24 223} Kh7 {0.00/32 109} 15. Bf4 {+0.19/23 308} g6 {
+0.17/28 161} 16. Nb3 {-0.01/24 243} Ne5 {+0.28/30 151} 17. Qf2 {-0.07/25 612}
Nc4 {+0.52/30 245} 18. Qe1 {-0.14/26 795} Qb6 {+0.42/30 164} 19. Bg5 {
-0.14/25 190} Rfe8 {+0.40/30 151} 20. Ka2 {-0.14/26 522} Ng8 {+0.42/32 1104}
21. Rh3 {-0.14/24 109} Bf6 {+0.58/29 152} 22. Bxf6 {-0.14/24 93} Nxf6 {
+0.50/30 153} 23. Bd3 {-0.13/23 166} Kg7 {+0.60/29 115} 24. Rg3 {-0.28/27 491}
e5 {+1.05/34 190} 25. Rg5 {-0.30/25 144} Ne3 {+0.74/33 237} 26. Rd2 {
-0.35/25 45} Nh7 {+1.13/35 138} 27. Rg3 {-0.54/24 64} d5 {+1.19/34 123} 28.
exd5 {-0.55/23 50} Nxd5 {+1.33/33 299} 29. Ne4 {-0.55/25 92} Nf4 {+1.39/32 137}
30. Kb1 {-0.84/23 181} Nf6 {+1.65/33 114} 31. Bf1 {-0.87/25 112} N6d5 {
+2.42/32 172} 32. Bd3 {-1.17/24 99} b4 {+2.66/33 150} 33. axb4 {-1.71/22 159}
Qxb4 {+2.96/35 182} 34. Nc1 {-1.08/22 66} f5 {+3.17/35 159} 35. Na2 {
-1.60/23 53} Qe7 {+3.36/36 189} 36. Ng5 {-1.64/24 41} e4 {+3.45/36 208} 37.
fxe4 {-1.81/24 93} fxe4 {+3.67/37 221} 38. Nxe4 {-1.83/24 65} Nf6 {+3.53/38 193
} 39. Qf1 {-1.92/25 43} Nxe4 {+3.81/40 281} 40. Qxf4 {-2.00/25 41} Nxg3 {
+4.17/39 544} 41. Qxg3 {-2.14/27 148} Qe1+ {+4.20/36 299} 42. Qxe1 {-2.12/28 80
} Rxe1+ {+4.42/37 843} 43. Nc1 {-2.23/24 32} Rg1 {+4.34/38 607} 44. Re2 {
-2.18/25 237} Bxg2 {+4.34/37 102} 45. b3 {-2.35/27 370} Rf8 {+4.18/35 67} 46.
Kb2 {-2.35/25 52} Bf3 {+4.40/33 208} 47. Re7+ {-2.48/26 331} Rf7 {+4.22/34 123}
48. Re5 {-2.58/27 473} Rf6 {+5.03/31 154} 49. Re7+ {-2.71/24 267} Kh6 {
+5.27/32 75} 50. Re3 {-2.77/25 161} Rg4 {+5.77/30 77} 51. Bxa6 {-2.87/23 102}
Rxh4 {+6.66/31 138} 52. Be2 {-2.99/23 138} Bxe2 {+7.25/32 110} 53. Rxe2 {
-3.32/24 213} g5 {+7.49/31 37} 54. Nd3 {-3.69/25 176} g4 {+8.16/31 78} 55. Rg2
{-3.54/25 146} Kg5 {+8.54/31 83} 56. Nc5 {-4.07/24 106} Rf1 {+9.43/30 93} 57.
b4 {-4.04/22 111} Rhh1 {+10.76/30 102} 58. b5 {-4.40/22 144} h4 {+12.96/30 134}
59. Ne6+ {-4.88/23 71} Kf5 {+14.42/32 158} 60. Nd4+ {-5.52/25 230} Kf4 {
+14.90/31 97} 61. b6 {-5.55/25 83} h3 {+15.27/28 49} 62. Rf2+ {-6.17/27 154}
Ke3 {+15.83/27 10} 63. b7 {-6.29/22 10} Rb1+ {+17.15/28 34} 64. Kc3 {
-6.29/25 17 White resigns} 0-1

[Event "SCCT 40/120 "]
[Site "Antalya/Turkey"]
[Date "2014.02.06"]
[Round "2"]
[White "Stockfish 070114 x64 6c"]
[Black "Komodo TCECr x64 6c"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "B90"]
[PlyCount "140"]
[EventDate "2014.??.??"]
[TimeControl "40/7200:20/3600:40/1200"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Be3 e5 7. Nb3 Be6 8. f3
Nbd7 {-0.14/25 125} 9. Qd2 {0.00/35 291} b5 {-0.13/26 129} 10. a4 {0.00/36 146}
b4 {-0.22/26 88} 11. Nd5 {0.00/38 174} Bxd5 {-0.25/27 233} 12. exd5 {
0.00/40 176} Nb6 {-0.30/28 244} 13. Bxb6 {0.00/38 115} Qxb6 {-0.17/25 99} 14.
a5 {0.00/39 182} Qb7 {-0.12/28 129} 15. Bc4 {0.00/39 189} Be7 {-0.12/31 259}
16. Ra4 {0.00/39 186} Rb8 {-0.12/31 145} 17. Nc1 {0.00/35 157} Bd8 {
-0.12/25 143} 18. Nd3 {0.00/35 155} Nxd5 {-0.12/28 226} 19. Nxe5 {0.00/36 154}
dxe5 {-0.12/28 221} 20. Qxd5 {0.00/37 140} Qxd5 {-0.12/29 238} 21. Bxd5 {
+0.04/37 153} Be7 {-0.07/26 60} 22. Ke2 {+0.12/37 184} Rc8 {-0.06/28 260} 23.
Be4 {+0.14/37 161} Bd6 {-0.06/29 198} 24. Rc1 {+0.26/35 145} Ke7 {-0.18/30 366}
25. Bb7 {+0.28/37 158} Rc5 {-0.15/29 147} 26. b3 {+0.36/38 233} Rb8 {
-0.19/31 465} 27. Bxa6 {+0.34/39 157} Ra8 {-0.18/30 126} 28. Bc4 {+0.34/42 573}
Rcxa5 {-0.16/31 130} 29. Rca1 {+0.28/42 236} Rxa4 {-0.17/29 110} 30. Rxa4 {
+0.28/41 164} Rc8 {-0.13/26 49} 31. g4 {+0.28/40 157} Bc5 {-0.03/29 91} 32. h4
{+0.28/40 163} g6 {-0.03/32 147} 33. Ra6 {+0.32/40 202} Kf8 {-0.03/32 296} 34.
h5 {+0.24/41 321} Kg7 {-0.03/33 143} 35. hxg6 {+0.24/45 237} hxg6 {-0.03/34 196
} 36. g5 {+0.24/46 188} Rc7 {-0.03/36 228} 37. Ra5 {+0.24/46 219} Bd4 {
-0.03/37 459} 38. Rb5 {+0.24/48 394} Bc3 {-0.03/35 81} 39. Rd5 {+0.20/44 346}
Ra7 {-0.03/36 437} 40. Ke3 {+0.20/47 671} Kf8 {-0.03/35 269} 41. Rb5 {
+0.20/43 182} Kg7 {-0.03/36 186} 42. Bd5 {+0.12/42 249} Rc7 {-0.03/35 162} 43.
Kd3 {+0.13/42 237} Re7 {-0.03/33 66} 44. Rb6 {+0.20/41 179} Ra7 {-0.03/34 180}
45. Rc6 {+0.20/48 127} Rd7 {-0.03/36 363} 46. Ke4 {+0.20/49 163} Ra7 {
-0.03/33 87} 47. Rc4 {+0.20/46 162} Rd7 {-0.03/36 144} 48. Rc5 {+0.13/46 118}
Bd2 {-0.03/36 165} 49. Rc4 {+0.20/44 117} Bc3 {-0.03/45 339} 50. Rc8 {
+0.18/44 166} Ra7 {-0.03/33 88} 51. Kd3 {+0.20/44 166} Rd7 {-0.03/37 353} 52.
Kc4 {+0.18/43 166} Bd2 {-0.03/34 186} 53. Rb8 {+0.18/44 152} Rc7+ {-0.03/35 388
} 54. Kd3 {+0.18/47 171} Bc3 {-0.03/33 68} 55. Ke4 {+0.18/46 158} Ra7 {
-0.03/36 184} 56. Rc8 {+0.18/43 136} Bd2 {-0.03/35 135} 57. Rc4 {+0.18/44 131}
Bc3 {-0.03/36 206} 58. Rc5 {+0.18/45 181} Rd7 {-0.03/36 210} 59. Ra5 {
+0.18/46 201} Bd2 {-0.03/35 107} 60. Rb5 {+0.18/47 484} Bc3 {-0.03/37 269} 61.
Rb6 {+0.18/46 40} Bd2 {-0.03/33 58} 62. Rb8 {+0.17/39 40} Bc3 {-0.03/35 138}
63. Rb5 {+0.18/41 222} Ra7 {-0.03/38 89} 64. Rb6 {+0.02/42 179} Rd7 {
-0.03/33 21} 65. Ra6 {0.00/38 21} Bd2 {-0.03/31 19} 66. Ra4 {0.00/39 22} Bc3 {
-0.03/35 67} 67. Ra8 {0.00/42 36} Bd2 {-0.03/38 57} 68. Rb8 {0.00/43 15} Bc3 {
-0.03/37 77} 69. Re8 {0.00/38 14} Ra7 {-0.03/32 49} 70. Rb8 {0.00/40 14} Rd7 {
-0.03/41 53 3-fold repetition} 1/2-1/2

[Event "SCCT 40/120 "]
[Site "Antalya/Turkey"]
[Date "2014.02.06"]
[Round "4"]
[White "Stockfish 070114 x64 6c"]
[Black "Komodo TCECr x64 6c"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "B80"]
[PlyCount "80"]
[EventDate "2014.??.??"]
[TimeControl "40/7200:20/3600:40/1200"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. Be3 e6 7. f3 b5 8. Qd2 {
+0.06/31 259} Nbd7 {-0.14/27 243} 9. O-O-O {0.00/30 147} Bb7 {-0.14/27 253} 10.
a3 {0.00/31 138} Be7 {-0.14/25 69} 11. g4 {+0.06/30 139} Nb6 {-0.09/23 59} 12.
h4 {+0.12/30 272} Nfd7 {-0.14/26 251} 13. Bg5 {+0.18/31 217} Rc8 {-0.14/24 239}
14. Bxe7 {0.00/31 113} Qxe7 {-0.13/25 69} 15. g5 {0.00/32 300} Ne5 {
-0.13/24 425} 16. f4 {0.00/31 138} Nec4 {-0.13/25 83} 17. Qe1 {+0.06/32 402}
O-O {-0.13/25 239} 18. h5 {+0.22/31 174} f5 {-0.13/25 287} 19. Rg1 {
+0.88/31 498} fxe4 {-0.06/24 123} 20. Bh3 {+1.41/31 113} e5 {-1.22/25 770} 21.
Nf5 {+1.79/32 128} Rxf5 {-1.10/24 371} 22. Bxf5 {+2.40/30 116} Rf8 {
-1.60/25 318} 23. Bxe4 {+3.41/33 214} d5 {-1.76/27 252} 24. g6 {+3.75/35 277}
Qf6 {-1.82/23 205} 25. h6 {+4.38/35 114} Qxf4+ {-2.03/25 148} 26. Kb1 {
+4.84/35 82} Qxh6 {-2.23/27 326} 27. Nxd5 {+5.17/35 197} Bxd5 {-2.56/27 250}
28. Bxd5+ {+5.31/35 149} Nxd5 {-2.36/24 30} 29. gxh7+ {+5.31/36 132} Kh8 {
-2.75/27 418} 30. Rxd5 {+5.65/38 444} Qf6 {-2.89/27 305} 31. Qe4 {+5.69/37 496}
Qe7 {-2.97/26 233} 32. b3 {+6.48/33 43} Nxa3+ {-3.04/27 167} 33. Ka2 {
+7.67/37 142} Rf4 {-3.40/27 148} 34. Qd3 {+9.79/36 229} Rf8 {-3.71/26 132} 35.
Qd1 {+10.00/36 146} Rc8 {-3.71/26 159} 36. Rd7 {+88.96/44 134} Rxc2+ {
-5.85/26 59} 37. Qxc2 {+150.93/44 170} Qxd7 {-6.79/28 44} 38. Kxa3 {
+150.93/43 284} a5 {-8.01/27 110} 39. Qg6 {+150.94/47 474} Qe7+ {-11.15/27 198}
40. Ka2 {+150.94/46 302} e4 {-11.55/28 29 Black resigns} 1-0
[/pgn]



SCCT Rating List:
http://www.sedatcanbaz.com/chess/?page_id=1180

SCCT Swiss Antalya 2014
http://www.sedatcanbaz.com/chess/?page_id=1049

SCCT (15m + 3s) Tournament
http://www.sedatcanbaz.com/chess/?page_id=1000

SCCT 24 Hour Game
http://www.sedatcanbaz.com/chess/?page_id=717

SCCT 40/120:
http://www.sedatcanbaz.com/chess/?page_id=930

SCCT Rating List – Top 10
http://www.sedatcanbaz.com/chess/?page_id=515

I have no words to say, exception:
Stockfish is from another planet!!!


And last (who want to see the real performance of Stockfish),
I suggest latest new Stockfish versions to be tested with Perfect 2014 book

Hopes this helps...


Best,
Sedat

[ernest]

So if you want contest result of this match...

I only said that it would be "interesting" to look for an explanation as to why Houdini "seems" to perform better vs Stockfish in these games, compared to other LTC matches.
No more, no less...

Assuming of course that error-bars are not overriding the whole debate!

[RIDDICK]

Houdini wins again! Nice positional play and still +4 on Stockfish.

Author: Ronald de Man
Date: Sun Mar 9 15:08:37 2014 +0100
Timestamp: 1394374117

HOUDINI: 44.0/84 [ +011/=064/-007 ] - STOCKFISH: 40.0/84 [ +007/=064/-011 ]

[pgn][Event "HOUDINI vs STOCKFISH MATCH 2014"]
[Site "RIDDICK"]
[Date "2014.03.10"]
[Round "83"]
[White "HOUDINI 4 PRO X64"]
[Black "STOCKFISH 090314 64 SSE4.2"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "B32"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 e5 5. Nb5 d6 6. c4 Be7 7. N1c3 a6 8. Na3
h6 9. Nc2 Nf6 10. Be2 O-O 11. O-O Be6 12. b3 Rc8 13. Qd3 Nd7 14. Be3 f5 15.
exf5 Bxf5 16. Qd2 Nc5 17. Bf3 Bh7 18. Bd5+ Kh8 19. Rad1 Rb8 20. f3 Qa5 21. Kh1
Qd8 22. h3 Qc7 23. Ne4 Rbd8 24. Kh2 Qd7 25. Bg1 Qc7 26. Qe2 Bg6 27. g3 Nd7 28.
Kg2 Bh7 29. h4 Bg6 30. a3 Ra8 31. b4 Rae8 32. b5 Na5 33. bxa6 bxa6 34. Nb4 Nc5
35. Rb1 Bf5 36. Bxc5 dxc5 37. Nd3 Bd6 38. Rfe1 Bh7 39. h5 Re7 40. Qb2 Nc6 41.
Qb6 Nd4 42. Qxc7 Bxc7 43. Ndxc5 Bb8 44. Rb7 Rxb7 45. Nxb7 Bg8 46. Re3 Bc7 47.
Ned6 Kh7 48. Bxg8+ Kxg8 49. Rxe5 Nxf3 50. Re7 Bb8 51. c5 Nd4 52. Re4 Nc6 53.
Ra4 Ne5 54. Rxa6 Ng4 55. Nc4 Rf2+ 56. Kh3 Rc2 57. Kxg4 Rxc4+ 58. Kf5 Bxg3 59.
Ke6 Re4+ 60. Kd7 Rd4+ 61. Ke7 1-0[/pgn]
[pgn][Event "HOUDINI vs STOCKFISH MATCH 2014"]
[Site "RIDDICK"]
[Date "2014.03.10"]
[Round "84"]
[White "STOCKFISH 090314 64 SSE4.2"]
[Black "HOUDINI 4 PRO X64"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "B32"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 e5 5. Nb5 d6 6. c4 Be7 7. N1c3 a6 8. Na3
h6 9. Nc2 Nf6 10. Be2 Be6 11. O-O O-O 12. Be3 Rc8 13. Qd3 Ng4 14. Bxg4 Bxg4 15.
b3 Be6 16. Rad1 f5 17. f3 Qa5 18. Bd2 Qc5+ 19. Kh1 b5 20. cxb5 axb5 21. h3 Kh8
22. Nxb5 fxe4 23. fxe4 Rxf1+ 24. Rxf1 d5 25. exd5 Qxd5 26. Qxd5 Bxd5 27. Ne3
Rd8 28. Rd1 Bg8 29. Be1 Ra8 30. Nc3 Bc5 31. Nf5 Nd4 32. Ng3 Bh7 33. Nge4 Bb4
34. Bg3 Nc6 35. Kg1 Bxe4 36. Nxe4 Rxa2 37. Rc1 Na5 38. Rc8+ Kh7 39. Rb8 Be7 40.
Rb6 Bd8 41. Re6 Nxb3 42. Bxe5 1/2-1/2[/pgn]

[shrapnel]

Houdini 4 is +4 !
GO GO GO Houdini ! Grind Stockfish into powdered fish !

[RIDDICK]

Author: Ronald de Man
Date: Mon Mar 10 23:46:15 2014 +0100
Timestamp: 1394491575

HOUDINI: 45.0/86 [ +011/=066/-007 ] - STOCKFISH: 41.0/86 [ +007/=066/-011 ]

[pgn][Event "HOUDINI vs STOCKFISH MATCH 2014"]
[Site "RIDDICK"]
[Date "2014.03.12"]
[Round "85"]
[White "HOUDINI 4 PRO X64"]
[Black "STOCKFISH 100314 64 SSE4.2"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "B33"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 e5 6. Ndb5 d6 7. Bg5 a6 8.
Na3 b5 9. Bxf6 gxf6 10. Nd5 Bg7 11. Bd3 Ne7 12. Nxe7 Qxe7 13. c4 f5 14. O-O Bb7
15. Qf3 Qd7 16. cxb5 O-O 17. Qxf5 Qxf5 18. exf5 axb5 19. Nxb5 d5 20. Nd6 Rab8
21. Nxb7 Rxb7 22. Rab1 Ra8 23. Rfd1 Rxa2 24. Bf1 Raxb2 25. Rxb2 Rxb2 26. Rxd5
Kf8 27. Bd3 Bf6 28. g3 Rb4 29. Kg2 e4 30. Rb5 Rxb5 31. Bxb5 Bd4 32. Kf1 e3 33.
f4 Ke7 34. Ke2 Kf6 35. Kf3 h6 36. g4 Kg7 37. Bd3 Kf6 38. Bc4 Kg7 39. g5 f6 40.
g6 Bc5 41. Bd5 Bd4 42. h4 Bc5 43. Ke2 Bd4 44. Be6 Bc5 45. Bf7 Bd4 46. Kd3 Bc5
47. Bc4 Bb6 48. Ke2 Bc5 49. Ba2 Bb6 50. h5 Bd4 51. Bd5 Bb6 52. Bb3 Bd4 53. Ba4
Bc5 1/2-1/2[/pgn]
[pgn][Event "HOUDINI vs STOCKFISH MATCH 2014"]
[Site "RIDDICK"]
[Date "2014.03.12"]
[Round "86"]
[White "STOCKFISH 100314 64 SSE4.2"]
[Black "HOUDINI 4 PRO X64"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "B33"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 e5 6. Ndb5 d6 7. Bg5 a6 8.
Na3 b5 9. Bxf6 gxf6 10. Nd5 f5 11. Bd3 Be6 12. O-O Bxd5 13. exd5 Ne7 14. Nxb5
Bg7 15. Nc3 e4 16. Be2 O-O 17. Qd2 Ng6 18. Rae1 Re8 19. Kh1 Rb8 20. b3 Qa5 21.
Nxe4 Qxd2 22. Nxd2 Bc3 23. Nf3 Bxe1 24. Rxe1 Rbc8 25. Bd3 Rxe1+ 26. Nxe1 f4 27.
Nf3 Kg7 28. g4 fxg3 29. hxg3 Kf6 30. Kg2 h5 31. Nd4 h4 32. Bxa6 Ra8 33. Bd3
Rxa2 34. f4 Ra1 35. Nf5 hxg3 36. Kxg3 Ne7 37. Ne3 Ng6 38. Be4 Rg1+ 39. Kf3 Rh1
40. Nf5 Rf1+ 41. Ke3 Re1+ 42. Kd4 Rd1+ 43. Ke3 Re1+ 1/2-1/2[/pgn]

[Sedat Canbaz]

Hello Richard,

Thanks again for the updates, a good lob !

Is there a way to download all database as pgn, but if it is possible with time/depth annotations ?!

Best,
Sedat