Houdini 4 still better than Stockfish at very fast time :(

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Houdini 4 still better than Stockfish at very fast time :(

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860 games
Houdini 4 contempt 0 vs Stockfish 5

+344-235=281

+42 elo difference

Level: Blitz 0:05/0,1
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Re: Houdini 4 still better than Stockfish at very fast time

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felix wrote:860 games
Houdini 4 contempt 0 vs Stockfish 5

+344-235=281

+42 elo difference

Level: Blitz 0:05/0,1
swcr opening book
Inversed colours

Hardware: Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2310M CPU @ 2.10GHz with 2,7 GB Memory
Operating system: Windows 7 Home Basic Home Edition Service Pack 1 (Build 7601) 32 bit
GUI: Arena 3.5
At anything longer than 15'' + 0.15'' SF is above H4. Faster controls are only for testing purposes, for all other chess related purposes time controls are much longer.
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Re: Houdini 4 still better than Stockfish at very fast time

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Well. Looks like Houdini 4 margin to be better is very narrow now.
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Re: Houdini 4 still better than Stockfish at very fast time

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What does this mean Level: Blitz 0:05/0,1 ? Is that 5 seconds per move with 1 second increment?
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Re: Houdini 4 still better than Stockfish at very fast time

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The game starts with 5 seconds for each player and 100 milliseconds increment by move
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Re: Houdini 4 still better than Stockfish at very fast time

Post by arjuntemurnikar »

felix wrote:860 games
Houdini 4 contempt 0 vs Stockfish 5

+344-235=281

+42 elo difference

Level: Blitz 0:05/0,1
swcr opening book
Inversed colours

Hardware: Intel(R) Core(TM) i3-2310M CPU @ 2.10GHz with 2,7 GB Memory
Operating system: Windows 7 Home Basic Home Edition Service Pack 1 (Build 7601) 32 bit
GUI: Arena 3.5
What does Level: Blitz 0:05/0,1 mean??

Assuming it means 5sec+1sec game, I think you can't use heavy GUIs like Arena for that.

I have noticed even with TCs of 1min, SF sometimes loses on time when playing under Arena/Chessbase.

So, I suggest you check your tournament pgn to see how many games were lost by time.

The best way to measure at that TC would be to use cutechess-cli.
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Re: Houdini 4 still better than Stockfish at very fast time

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5 seconds initial time plus 100 milliseconds/move

I removed all the display options in Arena. No losses on time. Not even one single infamous +MATE 0
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Maybe you are right about the time control

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Tournaments
5s 100ms. Stockfish 10th

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    Engine              Score   Ho Ho Ho St Ho Ho Ho St Ho Sf Ho Ho Ho Gu Ho Ho Gu Pa Sf Ko Cr Ko Ro Iv Bo Fi De Ry    S-B
01: Houdini_4.0         39,5/54 ·· 0= == 11 =1 01 1= 11 11 == 1= 0= 10 10 11 11 01 1= 01 11 11 11 == =1 1= 1= 11 11  1019,2
02: Houdini_4.0_c2      39,5/54 1= ·· == 0= 11 1= =1 0= 1= 01 00 11 =1 =1 11 11 =1 == 10 11 1= 11 =1 11 =1 =1 11 11  1013,0
03: Houdini_4.0_c0      35,5/54 == == ·· == =1 0= =1 00 1= 10 1= 1= 11 =1 11 01 0= 11 10 =1 == 1= 0= =1 11 11 11 =1  916,75
04: Strelka6            34,5/54 00 1= == ·· 00 01 0= 1= =0 10 11 =0 1= 01 11 11 =1 11 11 10 == 11 =1 =1 11 11 10 10  872,50
05: Houdini_3.0         34,5/54 =0 00 =0 11 ·· 1= 11 1= =0 00 10 == =1 1= 1= 11 11 00 10 01 == 11 11 11 1= 10 11 11  867,00
06: Houdini_2.0_c0      32,5/54 10 0= 1= 10 0= ·· == 10 1= 00 11 =1 == 0= 01 =1 1= == 1= == =1 =1 01 11 01 =1 1= 11  831,75
07: Houdini_3.0_c0      32,0/54 0= =0 =0 1= 00 == ·· 0= 11 1= 00 11 0= 1= 10 =1 10 1= 11 0= =1 1= 11 =1 0= =1 11 11  799,00
08: Strelka_5.5         31,5/54 00 1= 11 0= 0= 01 1= ·· 00 =1 =1 01 1= 10 =0 == 1= 10 =1 11 1= 00 11 1= =1 =1 1= 01  817,75
09: Houdini_1.5_c0      31,5/54 00 0= 0= =1 =1 0= 00 11 ·· 1= =1 == 11 11 == 01 == =1 1= == == == 00 01 11 =1 11 =1  806,75
10: Sf14052621_32bit    30,0/54 == 10 01 01 11 11 0= =0 0= ·· 11 1= == 0= 10 =1 11 10 0= 01 =1 01 10 =1 =0 01 00 11  807,50
11: Houdini_2.0         30,0/54 0= 11 0= 00 01 00 11 =0 =0 00 ·· 00 == 11 00 1= =1 11 11 01 01 1= 1= 11 =1 11 01 =1  753,50
12: Houdini_1.5         29,0/54 1= 00 0= =1 == =0 00 10 == 0= 11 ·· 11 00 10 00 11 11 01 == =1 01 1= 11 1= 0= =0 11  743,00
13: Houdini_3.0_c2      28,0/54 01 =0 00 0= =0 == 1= 0= 00 == == 00 ·· 1= 10 =1 0= 11 =1 == 11 =1 11 10 1= 0= 10 11  694,75
14: Gull 2.9 alpha      27,0/54 01 =0 =0 10 0= 1= 0= 01 00 1= 00 11 0= ·· 10 =1 == =0 00 1= 01 =1 11 10 =0 =1 =1 11  685,75
15: Houdini_1.5_c2      25,5/54 00 00 00 00 0= 10 01 =1 == 01 11 01 01 01 ·· 0= 11 =0 =0 =0 1= 10 == =1 01 1= 01 11  630,75
16: Houdini_2.0_c2      25,0/54 00 00 10 00 00 =0 =0 == 10 =0 0= 11 =0 =0 1= ·· == 10 1= 01 =1 10 11 =1 10 01 == 11  602,00
17: Gull 3              23,5/54 10 =0 1= =0 00 0= 01 0= == 00 =0 00 1= == 00 == ·· 10 0= 1= 01 =1 0= 10 10 11 1= 1=  597,00
18: PanChess 00.537.w32 23,5/54 0= == 00 00 11 == 0= 01 =0 01 00 00 00 =1 =1 01 01 ·· == 0= =0 == == =0 == 11 11 =1  595,50
19: Sf13112910_DD       23,0/54 10 01 01 00 01 0= 00 =0 0= 1= 00 10 =0 11 =1 0= 1= == ·· 1= == =0 01 0= 10 01 0= ==  609,75
20: Komodo6             23,0/54 00 00 =0 01 10 == 1= 00 == 10 10 == == 0= =1 10 0= 1= 0= ·· 0= == 0= 0= 01 == 11 10  594,00
21: Critter_1.6a        23,0/54 00 0= == == == =0 =0 0= == =0 10 =0 00 10 0= =0 10 =1 == 1= ·· 10 =1 01 =1 == =1 =0  589,50
22: Komodo-tcec         22,0/54 00 00 0= 00 00 =0 0= 11 == 10 0= 10 =0 =0 01 01 =0 == =1 == 01 ·· 10 == == 11 01 ==  544,75
23: RobboLito 0.21Q     21,0/54 == =0 1= =0 00 10 00 00 11 01 0= 0= 00 00 == 00 1= == 10 1= =0 01 ·· == == 00 =1 =1  546,75
24: IvanHoe999946h      21,0/54 =0 00 =0 =0 00 00 =0 0= 10 =0 00 00 01 01 =0 =0 01 =1 1= 1= 10 == == ·· == == 1= 11  499,00
25: Bouquet 1.8 x32     20,0/54 0= =0 00 00 0= 10 1= =0 00 =1 =0 0= 0= =1 10 01 01 == 01 10 =0 == == == ·· 0= 0= 0=  526,25
26: Fire 3.0            20,0/54 0= =0 00 00 01 =0 =0 =0 =0 10 00 1= 1= =0 0= 10 00 00 10 == == 00 11 == 1= ·· 1= ==  506,00
27: Deep Rybka 4.1      18,0/54 00 00 00 01 00 0= 00 0= 00 11 10 =1 01 =0 10 == 0= 00 1= 00 =0 10 =0 0= 1= 0= ·· =1  451,50
28: Rybka 4.1           12,5/54 00 00 =0 01 00 00 00 10 =0 00 =0 00 00 00 00 00 0= =0 == 01 =1 == =0 00 1= == =0 ··  310,00

10s 100ms Stockfish 7th


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    Engine              Score   Ho Ho St Ho Ho Ho Sf Ho Ho Ho Ho St Ho Sf Ho Ho Bo Cr Gu Gu Pa Ry Ko De Fi Ro Ko Iv    S-B
01: Houdini_4.0_c0      38,5/54 ·· =1 == 01 10 11 1= == == == == 11 =0 =1 11 1= 11 =1 01 1= =1 11 1= 1= 1= 1= 11 1=  993,50
02: Houdini_4.0_c2      38,0/54 =0 ·· 0= 11 01 01 01 11 0= 1= == == 11 11 01 =1 1= 1= 11 01 =1 =1 11 11 10 11 11 =1  965,50
03: Strelka6            37,0/54 == 1= ·· 01 1= 10 10 11 =0 =1 =1 =1 =1 01 =1 =1 0= == 1= 1= 01 11 11 10 11 10 11 11  957,50
04: Houdini_3.0_c2      36,0/54 10 00 10 ·· =1 10 =1 11 10 =1 == 1= 01 11 == 11 00 11 01 01 01 11 =1 =1 =1 11 =1 11  918,75
05: Houdini_3.0         35,5/54 01 10 0= =0 ·· 10 01 11 10 01 =1 =0 1= 1= == 11 1= == 1= =1 11 =1 01 =1 == 11 11 11  895,00
06: Houdini_4.0         33,0/54 00 10 01 01 01 ·· == =0 11 01 01 1= 11 01 =1 10 11 =1 0= 10 == == 1= 10 1= 11 =1 11  839,00
07: Sf14051921_32bit    32,5/54 0= 10 01 =0 10 == ·· 00 01 11 1= 11 =1 == =0 =0 =1 00 11 =1 =1 == 11 11 1= =1 =1 1=  821,50
08: Houdini_1.5_c2      32,5/54 == 00 00 00 00 =1 11 ·· 1= =0 =1 11 =0 01 =1 01 10 =1 11 1= 11 01 11 11 1= 1= == =1  801,00
09: Houdini_2.0_c0      31,5/54 == 1= =1 01 01 00 10 0= ·· 00 1= =1 10 11 11 1= =1 == == =1 == == 01 1= =1 1= 01 ==  830,00
10: Houdini_1.5_c0      31,5/54 == 0= =0 =0 10 10 00 =1 11 ·· =0 =1 =1 10 =1 1= 11 == == 10 10 11 =1 =1 =0 =1 1= 1=  802,50
11: Houdini_3.0_c0      30,5/54 == == =0 == =0 10 0= =0 0= =1 ·· 0= == 1= 11 == =1 == 1= 1= 1= 01 11 0= 11 =0 1= 11  772,50
12: Strelka_5.5         28,0/54 00 == =0 0= =1 0= 00 00 =0 =0 1= ·· =1 00 =1 1= 11 1= 11 01 =1 =0 11 =1 =1 == =1 ==  694,75
13: Houdini_1.5         28,0/54 =1 00 =0 10 0= 00 =0 =1 01 =0 == =0 ·· 01 =0 01 =0 =1 1= =0 11 11 == =1 1= 01 11 11  685,50
14: Sf13112910_DD       27,5/54 =0 00 10 00 0= 10 == 10 00 01 0= 11 10 ·· 01 == =1 == 1= =1 00 11 00 =1 11 11 11 10  677,25
15: Houdini_2.0_c2      27,0/54 00 10 =0 == == =0 =1 =0 00 =0 00 =0 =1 10 ·· 10 == =1 =0 11 11 1= =1 01 1= 11 == 01  668,00
16: Houdini_2.0         26,0/54 0= =0 =0 00 00 01 =1 10 0= 0= == 0= 10 == 01 ·· == =1 01 0= 11 10 =0 1= 11 11 10 =1  635,25
17: Bouquet 1.8 x32     25,5/54 00 0= 1= 11 0= 00 =0 01 =0 00 =0 00 =1 =0 == == ·· =1 == == 10 == 11 =1 11 1= == ==  638,75
18: Critter_1.6a        25,0/54 =0 0= == 00 == =0 11 =0 == == == 0= =0 == =0 =0 =0 ·· 1= =0 1= =1 =1 == =1 == =0 11  634,50
19: Gull 2.9 alpha      24,5/54 10 00 0= 10 0= 1= 00 00 == == 0= 00 0= 0= =1 10 == 0= ·· 0= =1 11 00 11 == 11 11 1=  596,25
20: Gull 3              24,0/54 0= 10 0= 10 =0 01 =0 0= =0 01 0= 10 =1 =0 00 1= == =1 1= ·· 00 0= 11 =1 0= == 0= 11  619,75
21: PanChess 00.537.w32 20,0/54 =0 =0 10 10 00 == =0 00 == 01 0= =0 00 11 00 00 01 0= =0 11 ·· 10 1= 01 0= 01 0= ==  522,50
22: Rybka 4.1           20,0/54 00 =0 00 00 =0 == == 10 == 00 10 =1 00 00 0= 01 == =0 00 1= 01 ·· =1 0= 11 =0 0= 11  492,50
23: Komodo-tcec         19,5/54 0= 00 00 =0 10 0= 00 00 10 =0 00 00 == 11 =0 =1 00 =0 11 00 0= =0 ·· == 10 11 =1 1=  470,00
24: Deep Rybka 4.1      19,0/54 0= 00 01 =0 =0 01 00 00 0= =0 1= =0 =0 =0 10 0= =0 == 00 =0 10 1= == ·· 10 10 10 1=  475,75
25: Fire 3.0            18,5/54 0= 01 00 =0 == 0= 0= 0= =0 =1 00 =0 0= 00 0= 00 00 =0 == 1= 1= 00 01 01 ·· 1= 11 =0  470,25
26: RobboLito 0.21Q     17,0/54 0= 00 01 00 00 00 =0 0= 0= =0 =1 == 10 00 00 00 0= == 00 == 10 =1 00 01 0= ·· 11 =1  415,00
27: Komodo6             16,0/54 00 00 00 =0 00 =0 =0 == 10 0= 0= =0 00 00 == 01 == =1 00 1= 1= 1= =0 01 00 00 ·· =0  407,50
28: IvanHoe999946h      14,0/54 0= =0 00 00 00 00 0= =0 == 0= 00 == 00 01 10 =0 == 00 0= 00 == 00 0= 0= =1 =0 =1 ··  350,75

10s 200ms Stockfish 6th

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    Engine              Score   Ho St Ho Ho Ho Sf Ho Ho Ho Ho Ho Ko Ho Sf Ho Cr Gu Fi St Ho Gu Iv Pa Ro De Ko Bo Ry    S-B
01: Houdini_4.0_c0      39,0/54 ·· 11 == == == == 11 == 11 10 11 0= 11 =1 =1 =1 01 11 1= 1= =1 11 1= 1= 11 11 =1 00  1032,5
02: Strelka6            37,5/54 00 ·· 01 1= 01 1= == == == 11 1= =0 10 1= 1= 11 =1 =1 =1 1= =1 11 11 1= 11 1= =1 1=  949,25
03: Houdini_4.0_c2      36,5/54 == 10 ·· 1= == =1 == 01 == 11 =1 =1 11 1= =0 11 1= 1= =1 01 =0 == 11 1= 01 11 11 ==  955,25
04: Houdini_3.0_c2      35,0/54 == 0= 0= ·· 10 11 01 1= =0 == 10 11 1= 10 11 =1 =1 01 == 1= 11 =1 10 11 =1 1= 11 0=  904,00
05: Houdini_4.0         35,0/54 == 10 == 01 ·· =1 0= 0= == 01 00 == 11 11 1= =1 1= 11 11 =1 1= == 11 10 =1 1= =1 =1  890,75
06: Sf14051921_32bit    35,0/54 == 0= =0 00 =0 ·· 0= 0= 11 11 11 1= =1 01 == 1= 11 =0 =1 11 1= 01 11 11 =1 11 =1 1=  869,25
07: Houdini_3.0_c0      34,5/54 00 == == 10 1= 1= ·· =0 1= =0 =1 1= =0 1= 11 == 11 == == 1= == 10 10 11 1= 11 11 11  869,75
08: Houdini_1.5_c0      33,0/54 == == 10 0= 1= 1= =1 ·· == 00 =0 == 01 11 1= == == 11 =1 =0 1= =1 =1 =1 11 1= =1 01  853,50
09: Houdini_2.0_c0      31,5/54 00 == == =1 == 00 0= == ·· 1= =1 == == =1 1= =0 1= == == == == 10 1= 11 11 1= 1= 11  784,50
10: Houdini_3.0         30,0/54 01 00 00 == 10 00 =1 11 0= ·· 01 10 10 =1 00 == =0 1= =1 11 =0 11 11 =1 =0 =1 11 11  743,50
11: Houdini_2.0         30,0/54 00 0= =0 01 11 00 =0 =1 =0 10 ·· 11 00 0= 01 1= 01 11 0= =1 =0 11 11 == == 11 11 11  737,00
12: Komodo-tcec         28,5/54 1= =1 =0 00 == 0= 0= == == 01 00 ·· =0 10 =0 =0 11 =1 11 11 11 0= 10 0= 11 == 10 11  727,25
13: Houdini_2.0_c2      27,0/54 00 01 00 0= 00 =0 =1 10 == 01 11 =1 ·· == 1= =0 00 01 10 =1 01 10 1= 1= =1 =1 1= ==  677,25
14: Sf13112910_DD       27,0/54 =0 0= 0= 01 00 10 0= 00 =0 =0 1= 01 == ·· 01 10 == 11 =0 =0 == 1= 1= 11 11 01 =1 11  651,75
15: Houdini_1.5_c2      26,0/54 =0 0= =1 00 0= == 00 0= 0= 11 10 =1 0= 10 ·· =0 =0 01 =0 == 11 =1 11 == 01 =1 =0 11  652,00
16: Critter_1.6a        25,5/54 =0 00 00 =0 =0 0= == == =1 == 0= =1 =1 01 =1 ·· == 0= 11 0= =1 0= == =0 1= =1 =0 11  640,50
17: Gull 2.9 alpha      25,0/54 10 =0 0= =0 0= 00 00 == 0= =1 10 00 11 == =1 == ·· 10 1= =0 == 10 =1 =1 00 11 11 0=  628,75
18: Fire 3.0            24,5/54 00 =0 0= 10 00 =1 == 00 == 0= 00 =0 10 00 10 1= 01 ·· == =1 1= =1 01 =1 11 == 1= 10  600,75
19: Strelka_5.5         23,5/54 0= =0 =0 == 00 =0 == =0 == =0 1= 00 01 =1 =1 00 0= == ·· 11 0= =1 == 10 == 1= 0= =1  597,75
20: Houdini_1.5         23,5/54 0= 0= 10 0= =0 00 0= =1 == 00 =0 00 =0 =1 == 1= =1 =0 00 ·· 11 == 01 == =1 00 11 11  583,50
21: Gull 3              22,5/54 =0 =0 =1 00 0= 0= == 0= == =1 =1 00 10 == 00 =0 == 0= 1= 00 ·· 1= 00 =1 0= 01 =1 11  579,50
22: IvanHoe999946h      21,5/54 00 00 == =0 == 10 01 =0 01 00 00 1= 01 0= =0 1= 01 =0 =0 == 0= ·· == == =0 == =1 11  542,50
23: PanChess 00.537.w32 19,5/54 0= 00 00 01 00 00 01 =0 0= 00 00 01 0= 0= 00 == =0 10 == 10 11 == ·· == == 11 == 1=  462,75
24: RobboLito 0.21Q     18,5/54 0= 0= 0= 00 01 00 00 =0 00 =0 == 1= 0= 00 == =1 =0 =0 01 == =0 == == ·· 01 == == ==  464,00
25: Deep Rybka 4.1      18,0/54 00 00 10 =0 =0 =0 0= 00 00 =1 == 00 =0 00 10 0= 11 00 == =0 1= =1 == 10 ·· 00 0= 1=  452,00
26: Komodo6             18,0/54 00 0= 00 0= 0= 00 00 0= 0= =0 00 == =0 10 =0 =0 00 == 0= 11 10 == 00 == 11 ·· =1 =1  423,25
27: Bouquet 1.8 x32     16,5/54 =0 =0 00 00 =0 =0 00 =0 0= 00 00 01 0= =0 =1 =1 00 0= 1= 00 =0 =0 == == 1= =0 ·· =1  402,75
28: Rybka 4.1           14,0/54 11 0= == 1= =0 0= 00 10 00 00 00 00 == 00 00 00 1= 01 =0 00 00 00 0= == 0= =0 =0 ··  409,00
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Re: Maybe you are right about the time control

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felix wrote:
Tournaments
5s 100ms. Stockfish 10th

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    Engine              Score   Ho Ho Ho St Ho Ho Ho St Ho Sf Ho Ho Ho Gu Ho Ho Gu Pa Sf Ko Cr Ko Ro Iv Bo Fi De Ry    S-B
01: Houdini_4.0         39,5/54 ·· 0= == 11 =1 01 1= 11 11 == 1= 0= 10 10 11 11 01 1= 01 11 11 11 == =1 1= 1= 11 11  1019,2
02: Houdini_4.0_c2      39,5/54 1= ·· == 0= 11 1= =1 0= 1= 01 00 11 =1 =1 11 11 =1 == 10 11 1= 11 =1 11 =1 =1 11 11  1013,0
03: Houdini_4.0_c0      35,5/54 == == ·· == =1 0= =1 00 1= 10 1= 1= 11 =1 11 01 0= 11 10 =1 == 1= 0= =1 11 11 11 =1  916,75
04: Strelka6            34,5/54 00 1= == ·· 00 01 0= 1= =0 10 11 =0 1= 01 11 11 =1 11 11 10 == 11 =1 =1 11 11 10 10  872,50
05: Houdini_3.0         34,5/54 =0 00 =0 11 ·· 1= 11 1= =0 00 10 == =1 1= 1= 11 11 00 10 01 == 11 11 11 1= 10 11 11  867,00
06: Houdini_2.0_c0      32,5/54 10 0= 1= 10 0= ·· == 10 1= 00 11 =1 == 0= 01 =1 1= == 1= == =1 =1 01 11 01 =1 1= 11  831,75
07: Houdini_3.0_c0      32,0/54 0= =0 =0 1= 00 == ·· 0= 11 1= 00 11 0= 1= 10 =1 10 1= 11 0= =1 1= 11 =1 0= =1 11 11  799,00
08: Strelka_5.5         31,5/54 00 1= 11 0= 0= 01 1= ·· 00 =1 =1 01 1= 10 =0 == 1= 10 =1 11 1= 00 11 1= =1 =1 1= 01  817,75
09: Houdini_1.5_c0      31,5/54 00 0= 0= =1 =1 0= 00 11 ·· 1= =1 == 11 11 == 01 == =1 1= == == == 00 01 11 =1 11 =1  806,75
10: Sf14052621_32bit    30,0/54 == 10 01 01 11 11 0= =0 0= ·· 11 1= == 0= 10 =1 11 10 0= 01 =1 01 10 =1 =0 01 00 11  807,50
11: Houdini_2.0         30,0/54 0= 11 0= 00 01 00 11 =0 =0 00 ·· 00 == 11 00 1= =1 11 11 01 01 1= 1= 11 =1 11 01 =1  753,50
12: Houdini_1.5         29,0/54 1= 00 0= =1 == =0 00 10 == 0= 11 ·· 11 00 10 00 11 11 01 == =1 01 1= 11 1= 0= =0 11  743,00
13: Houdini_3.0_c2      28,0/54 01 =0 00 0= =0 == 1= 0= 00 == == 00 ·· 1= 10 =1 0= 11 =1 == 11 =1 11 10 1= 0= 10 11  694,75
14: Gull 2.9 alpha      27,0/54 01 =0 =0 10 0= 1= 0= 01 00 1= 00 11 0= ·· 10 =1 == =0 00 1= 01 =1 11 10 =0 =1 =1 11  685,75
15: Houdini_1.5_c2      25,5/54 00 00 00 00 0= 10 01 =1 == 01 11 01 01 01 ·· 0= 11 =0 =0 =0 1= 10 == =1 01 1= 01 11  630,75
16: Houdini_2.0_c2      25,0/54 00 00 10 00 00 =0 =0 == 10 =0 0= 11 =0 =0 1= ·· == 10 1= 01 =1 10 11 =1 10 01 == 11  602,00
17: Gull 3              23,5/54 10 =0 1= =0 00 0= 01 0= == 00 =0 00 1= == 00 == ·· 10 0= 1= 01 =1 0= 10 10 11 1= 1=  597,00
18: PanChess 00.537.w32 23,5/54 0= == 00 00 11 == 0= 01 =0 01 00 00 00 =1 =1 01 01 ·· == 0= =0 == == =0 == 11 11 =1  595,50
19: Sf13112910_DD       23,0/54 10 01 01 00 01 0= 00 =0 0= 1= 00 10 =0 11 =1 0= 1= == ·· 1= == =0 01 0= 10 01 0= ==  609,75
20: Komodo6             23,0/54 00 00 =0 01 10 == 1= 00 == 10 10 == == 0= =1 10 0= 1= 0= ·· 0= == 0= 0= 01 == 11 10  594,00
21: Critter_1.6a        23,0/54 00 0= == == == =0 =0 0= == =0 10 =0 00 10 0= =0 10 =1 == 1= ·· 10 =1 01 =1 == =1 =0  589,50
22: Komodo-tcec         22,0/54 00 00 0= 00 00 =0 0= 11 == 10 0= 10 =0 =0 01 01 =0 == =1 == 01 ·· 10 == == 11 01 ==  544,75
23: RobboLito 0.21Q     21,0/54 == =0 1= =0 00 10 00 00 11 01 0= 0= 00 00 == 00 1= == 10 1= =0 01 ·· == == 00 =1 =1  546,75
24: IvanHoe999946h      21,0/54 =0 00 =0 =0 00 00 =0 0= 10 =0 00 00 01 01 =0 =0 01 =1 1= 1= 10 == == ·· == == 1= 11  499,00
25: Bouquet 1.8 x32     20,0/54 0= =0 00 00 0= 10 1= =0 00 =1 =0 0= 0= =1 10 01 01 == 01 10 =0 == == == ·· 0= 0= 0=  526,25
26: Fire 3.0            20,0/54 0= =0 00 00 01 =0 =0 =0 =0 10 00 1= 1= =0 0= 10 00 00 10 == == 00 11 == 1= ·· 1= ==  506,00
27: Deep Rybka 4.1      18,0/54 00 00 00 01 00 0= 00 0= 00 11 10 =1 01 =0 10 == 0= 00 1= 00 =0 10 =0 0= 1= 0= ·· =1  451,50
28: Rybka 4.1           12,5/54 00 00 =0 01 00 00 00 10 =0 00 =0 00 00 00 00 00 0= =0 == 01 =1 == =0 00 1= == =0 ··  310,00

10s 100ms Stockfish 7th


Code: Select all

    Engine              Score   Ho Ho St Ho Ho Ho Sf Ho Ho Ho Ho St Ho Sf Ho Ho Bo Cr Gu Gu Pa Ry Ko De Fi Ro Ko Iv    S-B
01: Houdini_4.0_c0      38,5/54 ·· =1 == 01 10 11 1= == == == == 11 =0 =1 11 1= 11 =1 01 1= =1 11 1= 1= 1= 1= 11 1=  993,50
02: Houdini_4.0_c2      38,0/54 =0 ·· 0= 11 01 01 01 11 0= 1= == == 11 11 01 =1 1= 1= 11 01 =1 =1 11 11 10 11 11 =1  965,50
03: Strelka6            37,0/54 == 1= ·· 01 1= 10 10 11 =0 =1 =1 =1 =1 01 =1 =1 0= == 1= 1= 01 11 11 10 11 10 11 11  957,50
04: Houdini_3.0_c2      36,0/54 10 00 10 ·· =1 10 =1 11 10 =1 == 1= 01 11 == 11 00 11 01 01 01 11 =1 =1 =1 11 =1 11  918,75
05: Houdini_3.0         35,5/54 01 10 0= =0 ·· 10 01 11 10 01 =1 =0 1= 1= == 11 1= == 1= =1 11 =1 01 =1 == 11 11 11  895,00
06: Houdini_4.0         33,0/54 00 10 01 01 01 ·· == =0 11 01 01 1= 11 01 =1 10 11 =1 0= 10 == == 1= 10 1= 11 =1 11  839,00
07: Sf14051921_32bit    32,5/54 0= 10 01 =0 10 == ·· 00 01 11 1= 11 =1 == =0 =0 =1 00 11 =1 =1 == 11 11 1= =1 =1 1=  821,50
08: Houdini_1.5_c2      32,5/54 == 00 00 00 00 =1 11 ·· 1= =0 =1 11 =0 01 =1 01 10 =1 11 1= 11 01 11 11 1= 1= == =1  801,00
09: Houdini_2.0_c0      31,5/54 == 1= =1 01 01 00 10 0= ·· 00 1= =1 10 11 11 1= =1 == == =1 == == 01 1= =1 1= 01 ==  830,00
10: Houdini_1.5_c0      31,5/54 == 0= =0 =0 10 10 00 =1 11 ·· =0 =1 =1 10 =1 1= 11 == == 10 10 11 =1 =1 =0 =1 1= 1=  802,50
11: Houdini_3.0_c0      30,5/54 == == =0 == =0 10 0= =0 0= =1 ·· 0= == 1= 11 == =1 == 1= 1= 1= 01 11 0= 11 =0 1= 11  772,50
12: Strelka_5.5         28,0/54 00 == =0 0= =1 0= 00 00 =0 =0 1= ·· =1 00 =1 1= 11 1= 11 01 =1 =0 11 =1 =1 == =1 ==  694,75
13: Houdini_1.5         28,0/54 =1 00 =0 10 0= 00 =0 =1 01 =0 == =0 ·· 01 =0 01 =0 =1 1= =0 11 11 == =1 1= 01 11 11  685,50
14: Sf13112910_DD       27,5/54 =0 00 10 00 0= 10 == 10 00 01 0= 11 10 ·· 01 == =1 == 1= =1 00 11 00 =1 11 11 11 10  677,25
15: Houdini_2.0_c2      27,0/54 00 10 =0 == == =0 =1 =0 00 =0 00 =0 =1 10 ·· 10 == =1 =0 11 11 1= =1 01 1= 11 == 01  668,00
16: Houdini_2.0         26,0/54 0= =0 =0 00 00 01 =1 10 0= 0= == 0= 10 == 01 ·· == =1 01 0= 11 10 =0 1= 11 11 10 =1  635,25
17: Bouquet 1.8 x32     25,5/54 00 0= 1= 11 0= 00 =0 01 =0 00 =0 00 =1 =0 == == ·· =1 == == 10 == 11 =1 11 1= == ==  638,75
18: Critter_1.6a        25,0/54 =0 0= == 00 == =0 11 =0 == == == 0= =0 == =0 =0 =0 ·· 1= =0 1= =1 =1 == =1 == =0 11  634,50
19: Gull 2.9 alpha      24,5/54 10 00 0= 10 0= 1= 00 00 == == 0= 00 0= 0= =1 10 == 0= ·· 0= =1 11 00 11 == 11 11 1=  596,25
20: Gull 3              24,0/54 0= 10 0= 10 =0 01 =0 0= =0 01 0= 10 =1 =0 00 1= == =1 1= ·· 00 0= 11 =1 0= == 0= 11  619,75
21: PanChess 00.537.w32 20,0/54 =0 =0 10 10 00 == =0 00 == 01 0= =0 00 11 00 00 01 0= =0 11 ·· 10 1= 01 0= 01 0= ==  522,50
22: Rybka 4.1           20,0/54 00 =0 00 00 =0 == == 10 == 00 10 =1 00 00 0= 01 == =0 00 1= 01 ·· =1 0= 11 =0 0= 11  492,50
23: Komodo-tcec         19,5/54 0= 00 00 =0 10 0= 00 00 10 =0 00 00 == 11 =0 =1 00 =0 11 00 0= =0 ·· == 10 11 =1 1=  470,00
24: Deep Rybka 4.1      19,0/54 0= 00 01 =0 =0 01 00 00 0= =0 1= =0 =0 =0 10 0= =0 == 00 =0 10 1= == ·· 10 10 10 1=  475,75
25: Fire 3.0            18,5/54 0= 01 00 =0 == 0= 0= 0= =0 =1 00 =0 0= 00 0= 00 00 =0 == 1= 1= 00 01 01 ·· 1= 11 =0  470,25
26: RobboLito 0.21Q     17,0/54 0= 00 01 00 00 00 =0 0= 0= =0 =1 == 10 00 00 00 0= == 00 == 10 =1 00 01 0= ·· 11 =1  415,00
27: Komodo6             16,0/54 00 00 00 =0 00 =0 =0 == 10 0= 0= =0 00 00 == 01 == =1 00 1= 1= 1= =0 01 00 00 ·· =0  407,50
28: IvanHoe999946h      14,0/54 0= =0 00 00 00 00 0= =0 == 0= 00 == 00 01 10 =0 == 00 0= 00 == 00 0= 0= =1 =0 =1 ··  350,75

10s 200ms Stockfish 6th

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    Engine              Score   Ho St Ho Ho Ho Sf Ho Ho Ho Ho Ho Ko Ho Sf Ho Cr Gu Fi St Ho Gu Iv Pa Ro De Ko Bo Ry    S-B
01: Houdini_4.0_c0      39,0/54 ·· 11 == == == == 11 == 11 10 11 0= 11 =1 =1 =1 01 11 1= 1= =1 11 1= 1= 11 11 =1 00  1032,5
02: Strelka6            37,5/54 00 ·· 01 1= 01 1= == == == 11 1= =0 10 1= 1= 11 =1 =1 =1 1= =1 11 11 1= 11 1= =1 1=  949,25
03: Houdini_4.0_c2      36,5/54 == 10 ·· 1= == =1 == 01 == 11 =1 =1 11 1= =0 11 1= 1= =1 01 =0 == 11 1= 01 11 11 ==  955,25
04: Houdini_3.0_c2      35,0/54 == 0= 0= ·· 10 11 01 1= =0 == 10 11 1= 10 11 =1 =1 01 == 1= 11 =1 10 11 =1 1= 11 0=  904,00
05: Houdini_4.0         35,0/54 == 10 == 01 ·· =1 0= 0= == 01 00 == 11 11 1= =1 1= 11 11 =1 1= == 11 10 =1 1= =1 =1  890,75
06: Sf14051921_32bit    35,0/54 == 0= =0 00 =0 ·· 0= 0= 11 11 11 1= =1 01 == 1= 11 =0 =1 11 1= 01 11 11 =1 11 =1 1=  869,25
07: Houdini_3.0_c0      34,5/54 00 == == 10 1= 1= ·· =0 1= =0 =1 1= =0 1= 11 == 11 == == 1= == 10 10 11 1= 11 11 11  869,75
08: Houdini_1.5_c0      33,0/54 == == 10 0= 1= 1= =1 ·· == 00 =0 == 01 11 1= == == 11 =1 =0 1= =1 =1 =1 11 1= =1 01  853,50
09: Houdini_2.0_c0      31,5/54 00 == == =1 == 00 0= == ·· 1= =1 == == =1 1= =0 1= == == == == 10 1= 11 11 1= 1= 11  784,50
10: Houdini_3.0         30,0/54 01 00 00 == 10 00 =1 11 0= ·· 01 10 10 =1 00 == =0 1= =1 11 =0 11 11 =1 =0 =1 11 11  743,50
11: Houdini_2.0         30,0/54 00 0= =0 01 11 00 =0 =1 =0 10 ·· 11 00 0= 01 1= 01 11 0= =1 =0 11 11 == == 11 11 11  737,00
12: Komodo-tcec         28,5/54 1= =1 =0 00 == 0= 0= == == 01 00 ·· =0 10 =0 =0 11 =1 11 11 11 0= 10 0= 11 == 10 11  727,25
13: Houdini_2.0_c2      27,0/54 00 01 00 0= 00 =0 =1 10 == 01 11 =1 ·· == 1= =0 00 01 10 =1 01 10 1= 1= =1 =1 1= ==  677,25
14: Sf13112910_DD       27,0/54 =0 0= 0= 01 00 10 0= 00 =0 =0 1= 01 == ·· 01 10 == 11 =0 =0 == 1= 1= 11 11 01 =1 11  651,75
15: Houdini_1.5_c2      26,0/54 =0 0= =1 00 0= == 00 0= 0= 11 10 =1 0= 10 ·· =0 =0 01 =0 == 11 =1 11 == 01 =1 =0 11  652,00
16: Critter_1.6a        25,5/54 =0 00 00 =0 =0 0= == == =1 == 0= =1 =1 01 =1 ·· == 0= 11 0= =1 0= == =0 1= =1 =0 11  640,50
17: Gull 2.9 alpha      25,0/54 10 =0 0= =0 0= 00 00 == 0= =1 10 00 11 == =1 == ·· 10 1= =0 == 10 =1 =1 00 11 11 0=  628,75
18: Fire 3.0            24,5/54 00 =0 0= 10 00 =1 == 00 == 0= 00 =0 10 00 10 1= 01 ·· == =1 1= =1 01 =1 11 == 1= 10  600,75
19: Strelka_5.5         23,5/54 0= =0 =0 == 00 =0 == =0 == =0 1= 00 01 =1 =1 00 0= == ·· 11 0= =1 == 10 == 1= 0= =1  597,75
20: Houdini_1.5         23,5/54 0= 0= 10 0= =0 00 0= =1 == 00 =0 00 =0 =1 == 1= =1 =0 00 ·· 11 == 01 == =1 00 11 11  583,50
21: Gull 3              22,5/54 =0 =0 =1 00 0= 0= == 0= == =1 =1 00 10 == 00 =0 == 0= 1= 00 ·· 1= 00 =1 0= 01 =1 11  579,50
22: IvanHoe999946h      21,5/54 00 00 == =0 == 10 01 =0 01 00 00 1= 01 0= =0 1= 01 =0 =0 == 0= ·· == == =0 == =1 11  542,50
23: PanChess 00.537.w32 19,5/54 0= 00 00 01 00 00 01 =0 0= 00 00 01 0= 0= 00 == =0 10 == 10 11 == ·· == == 11 == 1=  462,75
24: RobboLito 0.21Q     18,5/54 0= 0= 0= 00 01 00 00 =0 00 =0 == 1= 0= 00 == =1 =0 =0 01 == =0 == == ·· 01 == == ==  464,00
25: Deep Rybka 4.1      18,0/54 00 00 10 =0 =0 =0 0= 00 00 =1 == 00 =0 00 10 0= 11 00 == =0 1= =1 == 10 ·· 00 0= 1=  452,00
26: Komodo6             18,0/54 00 0= 00 0= 0= 00 00 0= 0= =0 00 == =0 10 =0 =0 00 == 0= 11 10 == 00 == 11 ·· =1 =1  423,25
27: Bouquet 1.8 x32     16,5/54 =0 =0 00 00 =0 =0 00 =0 0= 00 00 01 0= =0 =1 =1 00 0= 1= 00 =0 =0 == == 1= =0 ·· =1  402,75
28: Rybka 4.1           14,0/54 11 0= == 1= =0 0= 00 10 00 00 00 00 == 00 00 00 1= 01 =0 00 00 00 0= == 0= =0 =0 ··  409,00
I didn't do the math exactly, but looking at these results, I doubt any of them is statistically significant. Anyway, even if they were, these time controls are just too short.

SF is not lagging behind Houdini in Blitz:
* URFL 1'+1": http://www.pcschach.de/ (equal or above Houdini, can't really say with error bar)
* CCRL 40/4: http://www.computerchess.org.uk/ccrl/404/ (significantly above Houdini)
Theory and practice sometimes clash. And when that happens, theory loses. Every single time.
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Re: Houdini 4 still better than Stockfish at very fast time

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That's an extremely fast time control, faster than bullet right?

I have 100 games for CEGT 40/4:
Stockfish 5 x64 2CPU vs Houdini 4 x64 2CPU (contempt 0):
50-50 +20 =60 -20. Very close match at blitz time control.
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