Do not bother, everything loses.zullil wrote:I guess you were hoping for SF's last move. It surprised me, but SF stuck with it to depth 51. SF also considered Bc2 and Bd1, but chose the knight move. Let's see where this goes...Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote:Ng5zullil wrote:SF plays Ng5+ with evaluation 0.Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote: Rab6
[d]1r1b4/5q1k/1r2n1p1/p2bPp1p/B1pP1P1P/2P4N/R4Q1K/2B3R1 w - - 0 3
[d]1r1b4/5q1k/1r2n1p1/p2bPpNp/B1pP1P1P/2P5/R4Q1K/2B3R1 b - - 23 14
[d]1r1b4/5q1k/1r4p1/p2bPpnp/B1pP1P1P/2P5/R4Q1K/2B3R1 w - - 0 4
Gligoric-Smyslov, 1959
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OK. SF plays hxg5 and resigns. Its evaluation is still 0.Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote: Do not bother, everything loses.
[d]1r1b4/5q1k/1r4p1/p2bPpPp/B1pP1P2/2P5/R4Q1K/2B3R1 b - - 0 15
Shall we play on, just a bit, to see SF recognize that it is lost?
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Rb3zullil wrote:OK. SF plays hxg5 and resigns. Its evaluation is still 0.Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote: Do not bother, everything loses.
[d]1r1b4/5q1k/1r4p1/p2bPpPp/B1pP1P2/2P5/R4Q1K/2B3R1 b - - 0 15
Shall we play on, just a bit, to see SF recognize that it is lost?
[d]1r1b4/5q1k/6p1/p2bPpPp/B1pP1P2/1rP5/R4Q1K/2B3R1 w - - 0 5
SF is the first engine I see that resigns with a 0.0 score.

I more or less checked the main lines thoroughly, and black has winning advantage in all, when I check them calmly, but, unfortunately, when I get under pressure this time around, I simply can not concentrate properly, quite probably because of external factors, never mind.
So that, I am certain the position is won, but am not at all certain I will be able to win it...
Such a crazy situation, of course we will play on, fiat iusticia, ruat ceolum.
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Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote: fiat iusticia, ruat ceolum.

You mistyped caelum, Lyudmil, but the really funny thing to me is this: almost exactly 20 moves after your "winner" 31...Ra6 instead of Smyslov's Rb3 you still have nothing better then the hope SF could blunder like Gligoric did back in 1959 with taking this sac.
You are really funny, Lyudmil, no harm meant!

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And it could come even better: one move later, eg. after 51.Bb2 Qb7 SF might even really take 52.Bxb3 and it could still hold the draw because you simply shouldn't have shuffled around these 20 moves to much, so that it could be too late now even for what Smyslov managed to gain 20 moves and 56 years sooner.


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Those are doubles, you might want to check this:peter wrote:Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote: fiat iusticia, ruat ceolum.![]()
You mistyped caelum, Lyudmil, but the really funny thing to me is this: almost exactly 20 moves after your "winner" 31...Ra6 instead of Smyslov's Rb3 you still have nothing better then the hope SF could blunder like Gligoric did back in 1959 with taking this sac.
You are really funny, Lyudmil, no harm meant!
http://latinlexicon.org/paradigms.php?p1=1001977
So, you might say both cealum, and coelum.
When I learned a bit of Latin, my handbook should have said coelum, instead of caelum.
Anyway, even if it did not say so, I would still say coelum, simply because I like the combination of o and e in the above word better than a and e.
Concerning the game, it is still not over...
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OK, SF likes Bb2 with evaluation still at 0.Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote: Rb3
[d]1r1b4/5q1k/6p1/p2bPpPp/B1pP1P2/1rP5/R4Q1K/2B3R1 w - - 0 5
[d]1r1b4/5q1k/6p1/p2bPpPp/B1pP1P2/1rP5/RB3Q1K/6R1 b - - 2 16
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It is, Lyudmil, it is since quite a while, you just didn't realize when it happened, and when the horse you went on riding died quietly beneath your butt, I guess that was about 20 moves ago...Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote: Concerning the game, it is still not over...

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Be4zullil wrote:OK, SF likes Bb2 with evaluation still at 0.Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote: Rb3
[d]1r1b4/5q1k/6p1/p2bPpPp/B1pP1P2/1rP5/R4Q1K/2B3R1 w - - 0 5
[d]1r1b4/5q1k/6p1/p2bPpPp/B1pP1P2/1rP5/RB3Q1K/6R1 b - - 2 16
[d]1r1b4/5q1k/6p1/p3PpPp/B1pPbP2/1rP5/RB3Q1K/6R1 w - - 0 6
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Re1 with evaluation 0.Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote: Be4
[d]1r1b4/5q1k/6p1/p3PpPp/B1pPbP2/1rP5/RB3Q1K/6R1 w - - 0 6
[d]1r1b4/5q1k/6p1/p3PpPp/B1pPbP2/1rP5/RB3Q1K/4R3 b - - 4 17