The future shift

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Re: The future shift

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Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote: Nf4

[d]2b2rk1/5ppp/1q6/1n1pPPP1/2pP1N1P/1pP4B/1Q6/R6K b - - 0 9
Qc6 with evaluation still 0.
[d]2b2rk1/5ppp/2q5/1n1pPPP1/2pP1N1P/1pP4B/1Q6/R6K w - - 9 8
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Re: The future shift

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zullil wrote:
Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote: Nf4

[d]2b2rk1/5ppp/1q6/1n1pPPP1/2pP1N1P/1pP4B/1Q6/R6K b - - 0 9
Qc6 with evaluation still 0.
[d]2b2rk1/5ppp/2q5/1n1pPPP1/2pP1N1P/1pP4B/1Q6/R6K w - - 9 8
h5

[d]2b2rk1/5ppp/2q5/1n1pPPPP/2pP1N2/1pP4B/1Q6/R6K b - - 0 10
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Re: The future shift

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[d]2b2rk1/5ppp/2q5/1n1pPPPP/2pP1N2/1pP4B/1Q6/R6K b - - 0 10

just to mention that black does not have the slightest whiff of a counterplay above.
A position with no counterplay at all, unless a fortress position, is simply lose.
So that it does not matter if I have made a mistake or will make a mistake, a position with no counterplay at all is simply lost.
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Re: The future shift

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Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote:[d]2b2rk1/5ppp/2q5/1n1pPPPP/2pP1N2/1pP4B/1Q6/R6K b - - 0 10

just to mention that black does not have the slightest whiff of a counterplay above.
A position with no counterplay at all, unless a fortress position, is simply lose.
So that it does not matter if I have made a mistake or will make a mistake, a position with no counterplay at all is simply lost.
SF plays h6 with evaluation 0.
[d]2b2rk1/5pp1/2q4p/1n1pPPPP/2pP1N2/1pP4B/1Q6/R6K w - - 0 9

This is a draw unless a win is proved, by you or by someone/something else. General arguments based on "counter-play" are not sufficient.
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Re: The future shift

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If anything of that repeated bragging had any true content, what would be easier then but to show one simple winning line once in a while.

I mean, if the case was not always quite as clear as you keep on saying, the lines could be discussed then, there could be counter- variants, alternatives, deviations and refutations discussed.
But not being able to show a single winning line and going on and on repeating this and that would be clearly won is simply stupid.

Even more after countless trials leading only a few moves later to the "error", "oops, I did it again", "so let's just go on trying, this time I'll win for sure."

Maybe it's yet more Kürbis than Schätzchen, Lyudmil,
sincerely your Baumwolle
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Re: The future shift

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zullil wrote:
Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote:[d]2b2rk1/5ppp/2q5/1n1pPPPP/2pP1N2/1pP4B/1Q6/R6K b - - 0 10

just to mention that black does not have the slightest whiff of a counterplay above.
A position with no counterplay at all, unless a fortress position, is simply lose.
So that it does not matter if I have made a mistake or will make a mistake, a position with no counterplay at all is simply lost.
SF plays h6 with evaluation 0.
[d]2b2rk1/5pp1/2q4p/1n1pPPPP/2pP1N2/1pP4B/1Q6/R6K w - - 0 9

This is a draw unless a win is proved, by you or by someone/something else. General arguments based on "counter-play" are not sufficient.
I just made a mistake, as I had warned, I saw h6 just after I posted.
I feel very tired and have a terrible headache, that is the reason why I make so many mistakes.

[d]2b2rk1/5ppp/2q5/1n1pPPP1/2pP1N1P/1pP4B/1Q6/R6K w - - 0 10

But, the above position is won, no doubt about that, if you do not have any counterplay, you simply lose the game, there is not a single exception to this rule.

Maybe someone can help me to point how white wins, or I will do that when I am in better shape.
I can suggest now more moves, but there is no guarantee at all I will not got again wrong.

The above position is won for white, 100% sure.
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Re: The future shift

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peter wrote:If anything of that repeated bragging had any true content, what would be easier then but to show one simple winning line once in a while.

I mean, if the case was not always quite as clear as you keep on saying, the lines could be discussed then, there could be counter- variants, alternatives, deviations and refutations discussed.
But not being able to show a single winning line and going on and on repeating this and that would be clearly won is simply stupid.

Even more after countless trials leading only a few moves later to the "error", "oops, I did it again", "so let's just go on trying, this time I'll win for sure."

Maybe it's yet more Kürbis than Schätzchen, Lyudmil,
sincerely your Baumwolle
We are just analysing the position, as you know, I won the first game, so you better shut up.

If you want to help, tell how white wins above.
Any good chess player understands that white wins above.
If you do not understand this, why are you posting in this thread?
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Re: The future shift

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Lyudmil, wouln't you agree that black has quite some counterplay: the extremely dangerous passer on b3 and the weakness on c3 which needs protection?
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Re: The future shift

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Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote:Maybe someone can help me to point how white wins,
Nobody can help you, Lyudmil, if you don't start sharing your lines, don't you see that?
Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote: I can suggest now more moves, but there is no guarantee at all I will not got again wrong.
Where do you then always again and again get the guarantee from for yourself, you could not simply come to the wrong conclusions because of such mistakes?
Is it really as impossible as it seems for you to take into consideration that you simply could be wrong as for your own evaluation of the position?

Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote: The above position is won for white, 100% sure.
:roll:
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Re: The future shift

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chessico wrote:Lyudmil, wouln't you agree that black has quite some counterplay: the extremely dangerous passer on b3 and the weakness on c3 which needs protection?
A static passer that is easily stopped is not counterplay.
Counterplay is when you can counter the opponent's resources, but here black can not do that, just sit around, and white can gradually improve.

Does not anyone have Komodo, Houdini?

Houdini tactical would be great, this is a tactical position.