In around 2 hours ...
"The Fight for Place 1" will be start!
Hi there,
On system 1:
Stockfish 26.04.2015 BMI2 x64 (current dev.)
1.600 games vs. current FCP Top-32
125 games per day ... need around 12,8 days!
On system 2:
Komodo 9 x64
1.600 games vs. current FCP Top-32
125 games per day ... need around 12,8 days!
In this case in both test-runs Stockfish vs. Komodo 50 games.
End of the test both engines have 1.650 games and directly against one another 100 games. Could be interesting ... 2x 50 games SFdev vs. K9.
For K9 and SFdev the same participant. In the future both engines will be sync. The reason I do that because the different could be very small.
Conditions:
http://www.amateurschach.de/main/_conditions.htm
All can be find on one *.html page with current results after 10%, 20%, 30% ... working on the page. At the moment the latest 8 Thinker 5.4d Inert x64 games are still running. URL will be available in around two hours and you can follow the results in FTP-Trigger live mode.
Will be a great event for my visitors but with two systems we have to wait 12 days of the final results and stats. FCP = 45 minutes games on i7 4.3Ghz with SSD hard-disk and fastest available RAM. Both systems are the same and RAM is working with 2.4Ghz.
In the maintime so many others are working on interesting test results and I hope to compare the results will be later interesting because I have very high conditions and many participants.
Have fun with my work and good luck for Komodo and Stockfish lovers!
Frank's Chess Page
http://www.amateurschach.de
Best
Frank
"The Fight for Place 1" ... will be start soon!
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Frank Quisinsky
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Frank Quisinsky
- Posts: 7228
- Joined: Wed Nov 18, 2009 7:16 pm
- Location: Gutweiler, Germany
- Full name: Frank Quisinsky
Re: "The Fight for Place 1" ... started!
Hi there,
here is the LIVE Link:
http://www.amateurschach.de/_start-2900+.htm
In both FTP-Trigger test-run files I set ...
Komodo 9 and Stockfish 260415 to 3.150 Elo.
This should be around the final result after all I read here in testing by others.
First update after 160 games for both engines!
I am not each day 24 hours at home. I try to make in the following 12 days the updates as soon as possible.
Games will be available after 160, 320, 480 games or better after 10%, 20%, 30% ... on the same site.
And now ...
Have fun with it.
I hope both engines find a lot of bad lines in my book. That is really an Event to make my "FCP Live Book" better.
Best
Frank
here is the LIVE Link:
http://www.amateurschach.de/_start-2900+.htm
In both FTP-Trigger test-run files I set ...
Komodo 9 and Stockfish 260415 to 3.150 Elo.
This should be around the final result after all I read here in testing by others.
First update after 160 games for both engines!
I am not each day 24 hours at home. I try to make in the following 12 days the updates as soon as possible.
Games will be available after 160, 320, 480 games or better after 10%, 20%, 30% ... on the same site.
And now ...
Have fun with it.
I hope both engines find a lot of bad lines in my book. That is really an Event to make my "FCP Live Book" better.
Best
Frank
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Re: "The Fight for Place 1" ... will be start soon
I hope it did beed start soon
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Frank Quisinsky
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- Full name: Frank Quisinsky
Re: "The Fight for Place 1" ... will be start soon
Hi,
runs since around 30 minutes ... first two games for both test-runs ended!
K9 vs. SF 1:0 ... have a look in SF test-run!
In K9 test run also two games ended.
All works fine!
Best
Frank
runs since around 30 minutes ... first two games for both test-runs ended!
K9 vs. SF 1:0 ... have a look in SF test-run!
In K9 test run also two games ended.
All works fine!
Best
Frank
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Frank Quisinsky
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Re: After 320 of 3.200 games = SFdev +15 Elo, K9 +9 Elo
Detail Page (live FTP-Trigger links and download games)
http://www.amateurschach.de/_start-2900+.htm
http://www.amateurschach.de/_start-2900+.htm
Code: Select all
FCP version : 2.07.0165.s7+s8
Performance : Stockfish 26.04.15 BMI2 x64 = +15
Performance : Komodo 9 x64 = + 9
Calculated with Ordo 1.0
Stats after 100, 200 ... games! Elo Games Score Draws White Black Points w/ d/ l
01. Stockfish 6 BMI2 x64 3135 1.700 Predecessor
--. Stockfish 260415 BMI2 x64 ---- 1.650 --.-% --.-% --,- --,- ---,- ---/--/--
--. Stockfish 260415 BMI2 x64 ---- 1.485 --.-% --.-% --,- --,- ---,- ---/--/--
--. Stockfish 260415 BMI2 x64 ---- 1.320 --.-% --.-% --,- --,- ---,- ---/--/--
--. Stockfish 260415 BMI2 x64 ---- 1.155 --.-% --.-% --,- --,- ---,- ---/--/--
--. Stockfish 260415 BMI2 x64 ---- 990 --.-% --.-% --,- --,- ---,- ---/--/--
--. Stockfish 260415 BMI2 x64 ---- 825 --.-% --.-% --,- --,- ---,- ---/--/--
--. Stockfish 260415 BMI2 x64 ---- 660 --.-% --.-% --,- --,- ---,- ---/--/--
--. Stockfish 260415 BMI2 x64 ---- 495 --.-% --.-% --,- --,- ---,- ---/--/--
--. Stockfish 260415 BMI2 x64 ---- 330 --.-% --.-% --,- --,- ---,- ---/--/--
01. Stockfish 260415 BMI2 x64 3150 165 83.3% 29.7% 73,5 64,0 137,5 113/49/03
Calculated with Ordo 1.0
Stats after 100, 200 ... games! Elo Games Score Draws White Black Points w/ d/ l
02. Komodo 8 x64 3105 1.700 Predecessor
--. Komodo 9 x64 ---- 1.650 --.-% --.-% --,- --,- ---,- ---/--/--
--. Komodo 9 x64 ---- 1.485 --.-% --.-% --,- --,- ---,- ---/--/--
--. Komodo 9 x64 ---- 1.320 --.-% --.-% --,- --,- ---,- ---/--/--
--. Komodo 9 x64 ---- 1.155 --.-% --.-% --,- --,- ---,- ---/--/--
--. Komodo 9 x64 ---- 990 --.-% --.-% --,- --,- ---,- ---/--/--
--. Komodo 9 x64 ---- 825 --.-% --.-% --,- --,- ---,- ---/--/--
--. Komodo 9 x64 ---- 660 --.-% --.-% --,- --,- ---,- ---/--/--
--. Komodo 9 x64 ---- 495 --.-% --.-% --,- --,- ---,- ---/--/--
--. Komodo 9 x64 ---- 330 --.-% --.-% --,- --,- ---,- ---/--/--
02. Komodo 9 x64 3114 165 80.3% 30.9% 73,5 59,0 132,5 107/51/07
Program Elo + - Games Score Av.Op. Draw
01. Stockfish 26.04.15 BMI2 x64 3150 53 53 165 83.3% 2841 29.7%
--. Stockfish 6 BMI2 x64 3135 16 16 1700 83.8% 2824 28.9%
02. Komodo 9 x64 3114 50 50 165 80.3% 2843 30.9%
--. Komodo 8 x64 3105 15 15 1700 80.9% 2830 31.6%
03. Fire 4 x64 3046 15 15 1860 76.3% 2821 33.7%
04. GullChess 3.0 BMI2 x64 3038 14 14 1710 74.4% 2834 39.0%
05. Equinox 3.30 x64 2993 13 13 1860 70.9% 2822 41.3%
06. Sting SF 4.8.4 x64 2931 13 13 1760 62.9% 2831 44.2%
07. Protector 1.7.0 x64 2914 13 13 1560 58.5% 2851 45.9%
08. Critter 0.90 SSE4 x64 2900 13 13 1660 57.9% 2841 45.7%
09. Texel 1.05 x64 2897 13 13 1760 58.8% 2831 43.9%
09. Hannibal 1.5 x64 2897 13 13 1710 58.6% 2832 45.3%
11. Chiron 2.0 x64 2895 11 11 2810 62.8% 2797 40.4%
12. Naum 4.6 x64 2886 12 12 2010 59.7% 2812 43.4%
--. Hannibal 1.4b x64 2863 10 10 2500 59.2% 2794 43.3%
--. Texel 1.04 x64 2848 11 11 2300 57.5% 2793 42.4%
13. Nirvanachess 2.0a x64 2839 11 11 2060 54.0% 2811 46.1%
14. Senpai 1.0 SSE42 x64 2829 10 10 2810 54.3% 2799 42.8%
15. Hiarcs 14 WCSC w32 2825 10 10 2810 53.7% 2800 43.3%
16. Andscacs 0.72 POP x64 2814 12 12 2010 50.5% 2813 43.3%
17. Sjeng c't 2010 w32 2797 12 12 1910 47.9% 2818 43.3%
18. Shredder 12 x64 2795 12 12 1710 44.5% 2841 43.3%
19. Junior 13.3.00 x64 2783 10 10 2660 47.4% 2807 40.6%
20. Spike 1.4 Leiden w32 2774 13 13 1610 40.7% 2850 42.9%
21. Quazar 0.4 x64 2761 13 13 1510 39.9% 2845 41.5%
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Re: SF vs. K9, 1:0 mate after 46 moves!!
Very fast mate.
Nice to see that K9 is very aggressive with pawns (normely good) and the counter attack from SF with aggressive pawns too. Good for analysing!
[pgn][Event "FCP, 40/10, p=off, i7-4770k, 4.3GHz"]
[Site "Trier"]
[Date "2015.05.01"]
[Round "11.1"]
[White "Stockfish 26.04.15 BMI2 x64"]
[Black "Komodo 9 x64"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "B51"]
[PlyCount "91"]
[EventDate "2015.??.??"]
[EventType "rapid"]
[EventRounds "50"]
[EventCountry "GER"]
[Source "Frank Quisinsky"]
[SourceDate "2015.05.01"]
1. e4 {[%eval 0,0] [%emt 0:00:00]} c5 {[%eval 0,0] [%emt 0:00:00]} 2. Nf3 {
[%eval 0,0] [%emt 0:00:00]} d6 {[%eval 0,0] [%emt 0:00:00]} 3. d4 {[%eval 0,0]
[%emt 0:00:00]} Nf6 {[%eval 0,0] [%emt 0:00:00]} 4. Bb5+ {[%eval 0,0] [%emt 0:
00:00]} Nbd7 {[%eval 0,0] [%emt 0:00:00]} 5. Nc3 {[%eval 0,0] [%emt 0:00:00]}
a6 {[%eval 0,0] [%emt 0:00:00]} 6. Bxd7+ {[%eval 0,0] [%emt 0:00:00]} Nxd7 {
[%eval 0,0] [%emt 0:00:00]} 7. O-O {[%eval 0,0] [%emt 0:00:00]} e6 {[%eval 0,0]
[%emt 0:00:00]} 8. Bg5 {[%eval 0,0] [%emt 0:00:00]} Qc7 {[%eval 0,0] [%emt 0:
00:00]} 9. a4 {[%eval 0,0] [%emt 0:00:00]} h6 {[%eval 0,0] [%emt 0:00:00]} 10.
Bh4 {[%eval 0,0] [%emt 0:00:00]} cxd4 {[%eval 0,0] [%emt 0:00:00]} 11. Nxd4 {
[%eval 0,0] [%emt 0:00:00]} Ne5 {[%eval 0,0] [%emt 0:00:00]} 12. Kh1 {[%eval 0,
0] [%emt 0:00:00]} g5 {[%eval 0,0] [%emt 0:00:00]} 13. Bg3 {[%eval -22,25]
[%emt 0:00:16]} h5 {[%eval -24,21] [%emt 0:00:24]} 14. h4 {[%eval -28,22]
[%emt 0:00:02] (f4)} Ng6 {[%eval -11,21] [%emt 0:00:44] (g4)} 15. hxg5 {[%eval
17,25] [%emt 0:00:15]} h4 {[%eval -5,21] [%emt 0:00:09]} 16. Bh2 {[%eval 54,23]
[%emt 0:00:14]} h3 {[%eval 13,22] [%emt 0:00:33]} 17. g4 {[%eval 51,24] [%emt
0:00:29] (gxh3)} Bd7 {[%eval 46,19] [%emt 0:00:49] (Se5)} 18. f4 {[%eval 134,
23] [%emt 0:00:23]} Bg7 {[%eval 83,19] [%emt 0:00:30] (Se7)} 19. f5 {[%eval
173,23] [%emt 0:00:15]} Ne5 {[%eval 233,19] [%emt 0:00:19]} 20. g6 {[%eval 183,
21] [%emt 0:00:02]} O-O-O {[%eval 274,21] [%emt 0:00:31] (fxg6)} 21. gxf7 {
[%eval 310,24] [%emt 0:00:18]} Qc4 {[%eval 266,21] [%emt 0:00:08]} 22. g5 {
[%eval 309,22] [%emt 0:00:01]} Nxf7 {[%eval 300,21] [%emt 0:00:27]} 23. f6 {
[%eval 337,25] [%emt 0:00:18]} Bxf6 {[%eval 313,21] [%emt 0:00:10] (Lh6)} 24.
Rxf6 {[%eval 587,25] [%emt 0:00:21] (gxf6)} Nxg5 {[%eval 505,19] [%emt 0:00:16]
} 25. Ndb5 {[%eval 606,22] [%emt 0:00:02]} Bxb5 {[%eval 587,20] [%emt 0:00:27]}
26. axb5 {[%eval 710,25] [%emt 0:00:25]} axb5 {[%eval 664,20] [%emt 0:00:44]
(Kb8)} 27. Bxd6 {[%eval 1006,27] [%emt 0:00:21]} b6 {[%eval 793,23] [%emt 0:00:
14]} 28. Qg1 {[%eval 1080,25] [%emt 0:00:03] (Tg6)} Qc6 {[%eval 907,22] [%emt
0:00:17] (Txd6)} 29. Qxg5 {[%eval 1668,28] [%emt 0:00:24]} Rxd6 {[%eval 991,24]
[%emt 0:00:13]} 30. Rf7 {[%eval 1798,26] [%emt 0:00:03]} Rhd8 {[%eval 1080,26]
[%emt 0:00:14]} 31. Rfa7 {[%eval 5226,36] [%emt 0:00:33]} Rd1+ {[%eval 25000,
25] [%emt 0:00:28] (Kb8)} 32. Rxd1 {[%eval 12340,37] [%emt 0:00:55]} Rxd1+ {
[%eval 25000,25] [%emt 0:00:09]} 33. Nxd1 {[%eval 12341,34] [%emt 0:00:03]}
Qxe4+ {[%eval 25000,26] [%emt 0:00:06]} 34. Kh2 {[%eval 32738,37] [%emt 0:01:
22] (Kg1)} Qxc2+ {[%eval 25000,22] [%emt 0:00:15] (Kb8)} 35. Kxh3 {[%eval
32742,37] [%emt 0:00:27]} Qf5+ {[%eval 25000,23] [%emt 0:00:04]} 36. Qxf5 {
[%eval 32744,34] [%emt 0:00:02]} exf5 {[%eval 32744,25] [%emt 0:00:06]} 37. Kg3
{[%eval 32748,37] [%emt 0:00:25] (b4)} b4 {[%eval 32742,23] [%emt 0:00:01]} 38.
Kf4 {[%eval 32750,36] [%emt 0:00:02] (Tg7)} Kb8 {[%eval 32752,24] [%emt 0:00:
01]} 39. Re7 {[%eval 32752,51] [%emt 0:00:29] (Tg7)} Kc8 {[%eval 32752,24]
[%emt 0:00:03] (b5)} 40. Ne3 {[%eval 32754,89] [%emt 0:00:58] (Kxf5)} Kd8 {
[%eval 32756,29] [%emt 0:00:02] (b5)} 41. Nd5 {[%eval 32756,94] [%emt 0:00:22]}
b3 {[%eval 32758,50] [%emt 0:00:02] (b5)} 42. Ke5 {[%eval 32758,127] [%emt 0:
00:14]} b5 {[%eval 32760,99] [%emt 0:00:00]} 43. Kd6 {[%eval 32760,127] [%emt
0:00:00]} Kc8 {[%eval 32762,99] [%emt 0:00:00]} 44. Nb4 {[%eval 32762,127]
[%emt 0:00:00]} f4 {[%eval 32764,99] [%emt 0:00:00]} 45. Nc6 {[%eval 32764,127]
[%emt 0:00:00]} b4 {[%eval 32766,99] [%emt 0:00:00] (f3)} 46. Rc7# {[%eval
32766,127] [%emt 0:00:00]} 1-0[/pgn]
Nice to see that K9 is very aggressive with pawns (normely good) and the counter attack from SF with aggressive pawns too. Good for analysing!
[pgn][Event "FCP, 40/10, p=off, i7-4770k, 4.3GHz"]
[Site "Trier"]
[Date "2015.05.01"]
[Round "11.1"]
[White "Stockfish 26.04.15 BMI2 x64"]
[Black "Komodo 9 x64"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "B51"]
[PlyCount "91"]
[EventDate "2015.??.??"]
[EventType "rapid"]
[EventRounds "50"]
[EventCountry "GER"]
[Source "Frank Quisinsky"]
[SourceDate "2015.05.01"]
1. e4 {[%eval 0,0] [%emt 0:00:00]} c5 {[%eval 0,0] [%emt 0:00:00]} 2. Nf3 {
[%eval 0,0] [%emt 0:00:00]} d6 {[%eval 0,0] [%emt 0:00:00]} 3. d4 {[%eval 0,0]
[%emt 0:00:00]} Nf6 {[%eval 0,0] [%emt 0:00:00]} 4. Bb5+ {[%eval 0,0] [%emt 0:
00:00]} Nbd7 {[%eval 0,0] [%emt 0:00:00]} 5. Nc3 {[%eval 0,0] [%emt 0:00:00]}
a6 {[%eval 0,0] [%emt 0:00:00]} 6. Bxd7+ {[%eval 0,0] [%emt 0:00:00]} Nxd7 {
[%eval 0,0] [%emt 0:00:00]} 7. O-O {[%eval 0,0] [%emt 0:00:00]} e6 {[%eval 0,0]
[%emt 0:00:00]} 8. Bg5 {[%eval 0,0] [%emt 0:00:00]} Qc7 {[%eval 0,0] [%emt 0:
00:00]} 9. a4 {[%eval 0,0] [%emt 0:00:00]} h6 {[%eval 0,0] [%emt 0:00:00]} 10.
Bh4 {[%eval 0,0] [%emt 0:00:00]} cxd4 {[%eval 0,0] [%emt 0:00:00]} 11. Nxd4 {
[%eval 0,0] [%emt 0:00:00]} Ne5 {[%eval 0,0] [%emt 0:00:00]} 12. Kh1 {[%eval 0,
0] [%emt 0:00:00]} g5 {[%eval 0,0] [%emt 0:00:00]} 13. Bg3 {[%eval -22,25]
[%emt 0:00:16]} h5 {[%eval -24,21] [%emt 0:00:24]} 14. h4 {[%eval -28,22]
[%emt 0:00:02] (f4)} Ng6 {[%eval -11,21] [%emt 0:00:44] (g4)} 15. hxg5 {[%eval
17,25] [%emt 0:00:15]} h4 {[%eval -5,21] [%emt 0:00:09]} 16. Bh2 {[%eval 54,23]
[%emt 0:00:14]} h3 {[%eval 13,22] [%emt 0:00:33]} 17. g4 {[%eval 51,24] [%emt
0:00:29] (gxh3)} Bd7 {[%eval 46,19] [%emt 0:00:49] (Se5)} 18. f4 {[%eval 134,
23] [%emt 0:00:23]} Bg7 {[%eval 83,19] [%emt 0:00:30] (Se7)} 19. f5 {[%eval
173,23] [%emt 0:00:15]} Ne5 {[%eval 233,19] [%emt 0:00:19]} 20. g6 {[%eval 183,
21] [%emt 0:00:02]} O-O-O {[%eval 274,21] [%emt 0:00:31] (fxg6)} 21. gxf7 {
[%eval 310,24] [%emt 0:00:18]} Qc4 {[%eval 266,21] [%emt 0:00:08]} 22. g5 {
[%eval 309,22] [%emt 0:00:01]} Nxf7 {[%eval 300,21] [%emt 0:00:27]} 23. f6 {
[%eval 337,25] [%emt 0:00:18]} Bxf6 {[%eval 313,21] [%emt 0:00:10] (Lh6)} 24.
Rxf6 {[%eval 587,25] [%emt 0:00:21] (gxf6)} Nxg5 {[%eval 505,19] [%emt 0:00:16]
} 25. Ndb5 {[%eval 606,22] [%emt 0:00:02]} Bxb5 {[%eval 587,20] [%emt 0:00:27]}
26. axb5 {[%eval 710,25] [%emt 0:00:25]} axb5 {[%eval 664,20] [%emt 0:00:44]
(Kb8)} 27. Bxd6 {[%eval 1006,27] [%emt 0:00:21]} b6 {[%eval 793,23] [%emt 0:00:
14]} 28. Qg1 {[%eval 1080,25] [%emt 0:00:03] (Tg6)} Qc6 {[%eval 907,22] [%emt
0:00:17] (Txd6)} 29. Qxg5 {[%eval 1668,28] [%emt 0:00:24]} Rxd6 {[%eval 991,24]
[%emt 0:00:13]} 30. Rf7 {[%eval 1798,26] [%emt 0:00:03]} Rhd8 {[%eval 1080,26]
[%emt 0:00:14]} 31. Rfa7 {[%eval 5226,36] [%emt 0:00:33]} Rd1+ {[%eval 25000,
25] [%emt 0:00:28] (Kb8)} 32. Rxd1 {[%eval 12340,37] [%emt 0:00:55]} Rxd1+ {
[%eval 25000,25] [%emt 0:00:09]} 33. Nxd1 {[%eval 12341,34] [%emt 0:00:03]}
Qxe4+ {[%eval 25000,26] [%emt 0:00:06]} 34. Kh2 {[%eval 32738,37] [%emt 0:01:
22] (Kg1)} Qxc2+ {[%eval 25000,22] [%emt 0:00:15] (Kb8)} 35. Kxh3 {[%eval
32742,37] [%emt 0:00:27]} Qf5+ {[%eval 25000,23] [%emt 0:00:04]} 36. Qxf5 {
[%eval 32744,34] [%emt 0:00:02]} exf5 {[%eval 32744,25] [%emt 0:00:06]} 37. Kg3
{[%eval 32748,37] [%emt 0:00:25] (b4)} b4 {[%eval 32742,23] [%emt 0:00:01]} 38.
Kf4 {[%eval 32750,36] [%emt 0:00:02] (Tg7)} Kb8 {[%eval 32752,24] [%emt 0:00:
01]} 39. Re7 {[%eval 32752,51] [%emt 0:00:29] (Tg7)} Kc8 {[%eval 32752,24]
[%emt 0:00:03] (b5)} 40. Ne3 {[%eval 32754,89] [%emt 0:00:58] (Kxf5)} Kd8 {
[%eval 32756,29] [%emt 0:00:02] (b5)} 41. Nd5 {[%eval 32756,94] [%emt 0:00:22]}
b3 {[%eval 32758,50] [%emt 0:00:02] (b5)} 42. Ke5 {[%eval 32758,127] [%emt 0:
00:14]} b5 {[%eval 32760,99] [%emt 0:00:00]} 43. Kd6 {[%eval 32760,127] [%emt
0:00:00]} Kc8 {[%eval 32762,99] [%emt 0:00:00]} 44. Nb4 {[%eval 32762,127]
[%emt 0:00:00]} f4 {[%eval 32764,99] [%emt 0:00:00]} 45. Nc6 {[%eval 32764,127]
[%emt 0:00:00]} b4 {[%eval 32766,99] [%emt 0:00:00] (f3)} 46. Rc7# {[%eval
32766,127] [%emt 0:00:00]} 1-0[/pgn]
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Frank Quisinsky
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- Full name: Frank Quisinsky
Re: After 640 of 3.200 games = SFdev +13 Elo, K9 +32 Elo
Code: Select all
FCP version : 2.07.0330.s7+s8
Time : April 28th 2015 - May 11th, 2015
Performance : Stockfish 26.04.15 BMI2 x64 = +13 Elo
Performance : Komodo 9 x64 = +32 Elo
Calculated with Ordo 1.0
Stats after 100, 200 ... games! Elo Games Score Draws White Black Points w/ d/ l
01. Stockfish 6 BMI2 x64 3135 1.700 Predecessor
--. Stockfish 260415 BMI2 x64 ---- 1.650 --.-% --.-% --,- --,- ---,- ---/--/--
--. Stockfish 260415 BMI2 x64 ---- 1.485 --.-% --.-% --,- --,- ---,- ---/--/--
--. Stockfish 260415 BMI2 x64 ---- 1.320 --.-% --.-% --,- --,- ---,- ---/--/--
--. Stockfish 260415 BMI2 x64 ---- 1.155 --.-% --.-% --,- --,- ---,- ---/--/--
--. Stockfish 260415 BMI2 x64 ---- 990 --.-% --.-% --,- --,- ---,- ---/--/--
--. Stockfish 260415 BMI2 x64 ---- 825 --.-% --.-% --,- --,- ---,- ---/--/--
--. Stockfish 260415 BMI2 x64 ---- 660 --.-% --.-% --,- --,- ---,- ---/--/--
--. Stockfish 260415 BMI2 x64 ---- 495 --.-% --.-% --,- --,- ---,- ---/--/--
01. Stockfish 260415 BMI2 x64 3148 330 83.0% 30.9% 73,5 63,0 136,5 110/53/02
01. Stockfish 260415 BMI2 x64 3150 165 83.3% 29.7% 73,5 64,0 137,5 113/49/03
Calculated with Ordo 1.0
Stats after 100, 200 ... games! Elo Games Score Draws White Black Points w/ d/ l
02. Komodo 8 x64 3105 1.700 Predecessor
--. Komodo 9 x64 ---- 1.650 --.-% --.-% --,- --,- ---,- ---/--/--
--. Komodo 9 x64 ---- 1.485 --.-% --.-% --,- --,- ---,- ---/--/--
--. Komodo 9 x64 ---- 1.320 --.-% --.-% --,- --,- ---,- ---/--/--
--. Komodo 9 x64 ---- 1.155 --.-% --.-% --,- --,- ---,- ---/--/--
--. Komodo 9 x64 ---- 990 --.-% --.-% --,- --,- ---,- ---/--/--
--. Komodo 9 x64 ---- 825 --.-% --.-% --,- --,- ---,- ---/--/--
--. Komodo 9 x64 ---- 660 --.-% --.-% --,- --,- ---,- ---/--/--
--. Komodo 9 x64 ---- 495 --.-% --.-% --,- --,- ---,- ---/--/--
02. Komodo 9 x64 3137 330 82.1% 29.7% 73,5 65,0 138,5 115/47/03
02. Komodo 9 x64 3114 165 80.3% 30.9% 73,5 59,0 132,5 107/51/07
Program Elo + - Games Score Av.Op. Draw
01. Stockfish 26.04.15 BMI2 x64 3148 37 37 330 83.0% 2842 30.9%
02. Komodo 9 x64 3137 39 39 330 82.1% 2843 29.7%
--. Stockfish 6 BMI2 x64 3135 16 16 1700 83.8% 2824 28.9%
--. Komodo 8 x64 3105 16 16 1700 80.9% 2830 31.6%
03. Fire 4 x64 3046 13 13 1870 76.1% 2822 33.7%
04. GullChess 3.0 BMI2 x64 3039 14 14 1720 74.2% 2836 39.2%
05. Equinox 3.30 x64 2993 13 13 1870 70.7% 2824 41.3%
06. Sting SF 4.8.4 x64 2932 12 12 1770 62.8% 2833 44.4%
07. Protector 1.7.0 x64 2914 14 14 1570 58.3% 2853 45.9%
08. Critter 0.90 SSE4 x64 2900 13 13 1670 57.6% 2843 45.6%
09. Texel 1.05 x64 2897 12 12 1770 58.6% 2833 43.8%
10. Hannibal 1.5 x64 2896 13 13 1720 58.4% 2834 45.2%
11. Chiron 2.0 x64 2895 11 11 2820 62.7% 2798 40.5%
12. Naum 4.6 x64 2886 11 11 2020 59.5% 2813 43.4%
--. Hannibal 1.4b x64 2863 10 10 2500 59.2% 2794 43.3%
--. Texel 1.04 x64 2848 11 11 2300 57.5% 2793 42.4%
13. Nirvanachess 2.0a x64 2838 12 12 2070 53.7% 2813 45.9%
14. Senpai 1.0 SSE42 x64 2830 10 10 2820 54.2% 2801 42.8%
15. Hiarcs 14 WCSC w32 2825 10 10 2820 53.6% 2801 43.3%
16. Andscacs 0.72 POP x64 2814 11 11 2020 50.4% 2815 43.3%
17. Sjeng c't 2010 w32 2797 11 11 1920 47.7% 2819 43.1%
18. Shredder 12 x64 2795 13 13 1720 44.4% 2843 43.3%
19. Junior 13.3.00 x64 2783 10 10 2670 47.2% 2808 40.5%
20. Spike 1.4 Leiden w32 2773 13 13 1620 40.5% 2852 42.7%
21. Quazar 0.4 x64 2760 14 14 1520 39.6% 2847 41.3%
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Frank Quisinsky
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Re: 3x more draw games for SF dev. up to move number 50
Hi there,
games can be found in the detail page.
Each time the same ...
But now 3x more draw games up to move number 50.
I hope this stat will be better with the next games but after all we know ... no chance.
K9 = 8 draw games.
SF dev. 24 draw games.
The main problem SF have!
Many points vs. weaker opponents lost ...
Best
Frank
games can be found in the detail page.
Each time the same ...
But now 3x more draw games up to move number 50.
I hope this stat will be better with the next games but after all we know ... no chance.
K9 = 8 draw games.
SF dev. 24 draw games.
The main problem SF have!
Many points vs. weaker opponents lost ...
Best
Frank
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Frank Quisinsky
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Re: After Round 13 of 50 ... stats!
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After round 13 of 50
# PLAYER : RATING ERROR POINTS PLAYED (%)
1. Stockfish 26.04.15 BMI2 x64 : 3146.2 32.8 355.5 429 82.9% + 10,9 Elo
2. Komodo 9 x64 : 3139.2 32.4 353.0 429 82.3% + 34,0 Elo
3. Stockfish 6 BMI2 x64 : 3135.3 16.5 1424.0 1700 83.8%
4. Komodo 8 x64 : 3105.2 15.5 1375.5 1700 80.9%Draw games up to move number 50:
Komodo 9 x64 = 9 games
Stockfish 26.04.15 BMI2 x64 = 30 games
Clearly the stats to move average:
Komodo 9 x64 = 85 moves
Stockfish 26.04.15 BMI2 x64 = 81 moves (reason are all the fast draw games but also a lot of fast won games).
Won games up to move number 50:
Komodo 9 x64 = 5 games = 5 games
Stockfish 26.04.15 BMI2 x64 = 12 games
It seems that Komodo 9 lost tactical power in the openings in comparing to version 8. Not easy to see because with all the draw games SF lost here too.
Very nice to see if I am looking vs. games vs. tactical strong engines: Good example are the Problems K9 have vs. Fire 4 or Fizbo other strong tactical engines.
It seems that Komodo 9 comes again with changes in "avoid draw" and made here more points vs. weaker opponents later in the games.
Komodo 8 comparing to Stockfish 6: 2x more draws for SF up to move number 50.
Komodo 9 comparing to Stockfish current dev.: 3x more draws for SF up to move number 50.
Komodo 9 won clearly in strength to late middlegame ...
Endgame strength is around the same and here lost Komodo a bit power in comparing to SF dev.
But not sure ... stats after 429 of 1650 games!
At the moment, as fan of analysing opening book moves, I am not happy with K9. After all what I saw K8 is better here. More Elo will not give us the information to use Engine x or y in one of the important phases of a game. An grandmaster will have the feeling in analyzsing his games with many pieces on the board that K8 is better because in the late middlegame no grandmaster have such a high level as SF or K have and I am sure a grandmaster can't see without stats that K9 is here clearly better as K8.
For the moment my opinion after all what I saw.
But again, not enough games!
Best
Frank
PS: After all other stats in comparing with results by others ... it should be clear that with more weaker opponents the playing strenghts is -10 to the others testers (same result I had in Komodo 8 testing or SF 6 testing). Not a secret today that weaker opponets will give us not the high Elo jumpings we can await in comparing testing vs. lesser engines or vs. more derivative with the same style and same level.
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Frank Quisinsky
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Re: 15 Elo lesser as SF actually is ...
Short Hint:
If I delete 21 draw games from Stockfish ... K9 and SF have the same quantiy of draw games (9 games) ... we can see better the Elo difference between this engines.
I think all the draw games is a big problem in SF development. With better optimations you can see very easy how strong SF can be ...
We can see the different is 28,8 Elo and not 9 Elo.
With others words ...
Komodo can make +20 Elo with avoid draw games.
OK, the question is ...
If I avoid draw more lost games will be the result. So I must calculate / simulate all in ratio to more lost games. In this case I must added to the simulation after I delete 21 draw games 2 lost games (will be the ratio result). The differenz is 23 Elo and the final result is the same as with SF predecessor versions ... again and again SF lost 15 Elo.
+ 15 Elo if SF comes with better standard settings in avoid fast draw games.
That result is since a while allways the same. And I am not happy with the contemp settings SF have. I try it out for a while with Contemp = 17 and I can't see a better result as without Contemp.
Best
Frank
Without all the draw games it seems SF actual dev. is around 25 Elo stronger. This should around the results in testing with stronger opponents only ... maybe 20 Elo without to chance anything with avoid short draw games.
If I delete 21 draw games from Stockfish ... K9 and SF have the same quantiy of draw games (9 games) ... we can see better the Elo difference between this engines.
I think all the draw games is a big problem in SF development. With better optimations you can see very easy how strong SF can be ...
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# PLAYER : RATING ERROR POINTS PLAYED (%)
1 Stockfish 26.04.15 BMI2 x64 : 3170.9 34.3 345.0 408 84.6%
2 Komodo 9 x64 : 3142.1 32.3 353.0 429 82.3%
3 Stockfish 6 BMI2 x64 : 3135.5 16.6 1424.0 1700 83.8%
4 Komodo 8 x64 : 3105.3 15.6 1375.5 1700 80.9%With others words ...
Komodo can make +20 Elo with avoid draw games.
OK, the question is ...
If I avoid draw more lost games will be the result. So I must calculate / simulate all in ratio to more lost games. In this case I must added to the simulation after I delete 21 draw games 2 lost games (will be the ratio result). The differenz is 23 Elo and the final result is the same as with SF predecessor versions ... again and again SF lost 15 Elo.
+ 15 Elo if SF comes with better standard settings in avoid fast draw games.
That result is since a while allways the same. And I am not happy with the contemp settings SF have. I try it out for a while with Contemp = 17 and I can't see a better result as without Contemp.
Best
Frank
Without all the draw games it seems SF actual dev. is around 25 Elo stronger. This should around the results in testing with stronger opponents only ... maybe 20 Elo without to chance anything with avoid short draw games.