Komodo vs Bolzoni, 6th (and last) game Broadcast

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Vinvin
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Re: Komodo vs Bolzoni, 6th (and last) game Broadcast

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mjlef wrote:Victor did great. And thank you Vincent for running this very memorable match.
Time consuming but very interesting play by Victor !
Mark, I feel Komodo played more passive than last week, is it because of the eval of the new Komodo or is it because Victor played more for the initiative ?

Komodo should seek for more complicated and tactical position, but may be ask something impossible ...

After this day, I think a more reasonable handicap would have been a knight for the f pawn.
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Re: Komodo vs Bolzoni, 6th (and last) game Broadcast

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What was contempt set at this week and last week?

I noticed that Komodo played passively against me (giving rook odds) if contempt was set too high.
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Re: Komodo vs Bolzoni, 6th (and last) game Broadcast

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Is the contempt to avoid exchanges really working here? It seems that it is Komodo who initiate exchanges in many positions. And why in game 6 move 13, Komodo traded by Bxh3 instead of Bh1?
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Re: Komodo vs Bolzoni, 6th (and last) game Broadcast

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Uri Blass wrote:I do not understand the move 14.Bxh3

It seems that komodo plays even below master level because I believe that every master is going to play 14.Bh1 or 14.Bf3 to avoid trading bishops.

I thought that there may be some hidden deep tactics that force Bxh3 but I do not find it.

Stockfish see no win after 14.Bf3 and the scores at depth 32 is clearly lower than the score at depths 1-10 and only 0.05 pawn better than the minimal score that it got.

[D]r3r1k1/1ppq1pp1/2n2b1p/p2pp3/P7/2PPPBPb/1PQ2P1P/R1R1N1K1 b - - 6 14

Stockfish_15073009_x64_modern:
1/1 00:00 71 36k +4.67 14. ... b6
2/2 00:00 160 80k +4.77 14. ... b6 15.b3
3/3 00:00 782 196k +4.46 14. ... Rad8 15.d4 b6
4/4 00:00 1k 253k +4.48 14. ... Rad8 15.Ng2 b6 16.d4
5/5 00:00 3k 264k +4.41 14. ... Rad8 15.e4 dxe4 16.Bxe4 b6
6/6 00:00 4k 292k +4.38 14. ... Rad8 15.e4 dxe4 16.Bxe4 g6 17.Ng2
7/7 00:00 7k 493k +4.36 14. ... Rad8 15.e4 Ne7 16.Rd1 b6 17.Ng2 c6
8/8 00:00 21k 1,011k +4.40 14. ... Rad8 15.Bg2 Qe6 16.Nf3 Bg4 17.Nd2 b6 18.e4
9/9 00:00 35k 1,182k +4.36 14. ... Rad8 15.Rd1 b6 16.e4 d4 17.Bg2 dxc3 18.Bxh3 Qxh3 19.bxc3
10/10 00:00 53k 1,398k +4.30 14. ... Rad8 15.Bg2 Bg4 16.Nf3 d4 17.cxd4 exd4 18.Nxd4 Nxd4 19.exd4 Qxd4
11/14 00:00 152k 1,566k +4.25 14. ... Red8 15.Bg2 Be6 16.Nf3 d4 17.cxd4 exd4 18.Nxd4 Nxd4 19.exd4 c6
12/14 00:00 264k 1,830k +4.26 14. ... Red8 15.Rd1 b6 16.Qe2 Ra7 17.Nc2 Be7 18.Rdc1 Raa8 19.Rd1 Rab8 20.e4 d4
13/17 00:00 756k 2,106k +4.26 14. ... Rad8 15.Rd1 Bg5 16.Bg2 Be6 17.Qb3 b6 18.Qb5 Be7 19.c4 Nb4 20.Qxd7 Rxd7 21.Nf3
14/18 00:00 1,022k 2,152k +4.22 14. ... Rad8 15.Bg2 Bg4 16.Bf3 Be6 17.Bg2 Be7 18.Nf3 Bg4 19.Nd2 Qd6 20.Bf3 Be6 21.e4 dxe4 22.Bxe4
15/20 00:00 1,142k 2,147k +4.25 14. ... Rad8 15.Bg2 Bg4 16.Bf3 Be6 17.Bg2 Ne7 18.Nf3 c5 19.Nd2 Nc6 20.Bf3 c4 21.dxc4 dxc4
16/20 00:00 1,295k 2,110k +4.28 14. ... Rad8 15.Bg2 Bg4 16.Bf3 Be6 17.Qe2 g6 18.Nc2 Bg7 19.d4 e4 20.Bg2 b6 21.Qb5 h5 22.h4
17/21 00:01 2,419k 2,102k +4.22 14. ... Rad8 15.Bg2 Bg4 16.Qb3 b6 17.Qb5 e4 18.Nc2 Be2 19.Bf1 Bxf1 20.Rxf1 exd3 21.Qxd3 Ne5 22.Qb5 Qh3 23.Nd4
18/24 00:01 3,686k 2,153k +4.18 14. ... Rad8 15.Bg2 Bg4 16.Qb3 b6 17.Nc2 Ne7 18.Qb5 Qd6 19.h3 Bd7 20.Qb3 Be6 21.h4 g6 22.d4 e4 23.Qb5 h5
19/24 00:02 4,357k 2,163k +4.21 14. ... Rad8 15.Bg2 Bg4 16.Qb3 b6 17.Nc2 Ne7 18.Qb5 Qd6 19.h4 Bd7 20.Qb3 c5 21.Re1 Bg4 22.e4 d4 23.cxd4 cxd4 24.Qb5 g6
20/25 00:03 8,326k 2,189k +4.18 14. ... b6 15.Bg2 Be6 16.Nf3 Rad8 17.Nd2 g6 18.h4 Bg7 19.Rab1 Qd6 20.Ra1 h5 21.Nf3 Bg4 22.Nd2 Qd7 23.Qb3 Be2 24.Qc2
21/25 00:04 10,129k 2,208k +4.15 14. ... b6 15.Bg2 Be6 16.Nf3 Rad8 17.Nd2 g6 18.h4 Bg7 19.Rab1 Bf8 20.Bf3 Bc5 21.Re1 h5 22.Bg2 Bf8 23.Bf3 Bg7 24.b4 axb4 25.cxb4
22/28 00:05 12,703k 2,173k +4.15 14. ... b6 15.Bg2 Be6 16.Nf3 Rad8 17.Nd2 g6 18.h4 Bg7 19.Rab1 Bf8 20.Bf3 Kg7 21.Ra1 Be7 22.Bg2 Kg8 23.Re1 f5 24.d4 e4 25.Qd1 Bf6
23/30 00:16 36,553k 2,211k +4.13 14. ... b6 15.Bg2 Be6 16.Nf3 Rad8 17.Nd2 Be7 18.Rd1 Rf8 19.Qb3 f5 20.Qb5 Bf7 21.d4 e4 22.Bf1 Bf6 23.Be2 g5 24.Re1 Bg6 25.Kg2 Qe6
24/30 00:21 49,602k 2,269k +4.12 14. ... b6 15.Bg2 Be6 16.Nf3 Rad8 17.Nd2 g6 18.Re1 h5 19.h4 Bh3 20.Rac1 Bxh4 21.Bxh3 Qxh3 22.gxh4 e4 23.d4 Qxh4 24.Kf1 Qh3+ 25.Ke2 Qg4+ 26.Kf1 Kg7 27.Qd1 Qh4
25/32 00:25 59,072k 2,331k +4.14 14. ... b6 15.Bg2 Be6 16.Nf3 Rad8 17.Nd2 g6 18.Re1 h5 19.h4 Bg7 20.Rad1 Bg4 21.Bf3 Bh3 22.Bg2 Be6 23.Rc1 Ne7 24.d4 Nc6 25.b4 Bf5 26.e4 dxe4 27.Bxe4
26/34 00:38 100,839k 2,622k +4.18 14. ... b6 15.Bg2 Be6 16.Nf3 Rad8 17.Nd2 Bf5 18.Rd1 Bg6 19.Rac1 Bg5 20.Bf3 f5 21.h4 Bf6 22.d4 Bf7 23.dxe5 Nxe5 24.Be2 f4 25.Bb5 c6 26.exf4 Ng4 27.f3
27/34- 00:45 122,899k 2,707k +4.12 14. ... b6 15.Bg2
27/34 00:47 128,372k 2,726k +4.12 14. ... b6 15.Bg2 Be6 16.Nf3 Rad8 17.Nd2 Bf5 18.Rd1 Bg6 19.Rac1 Be7 20.Bf3 Qd6 21.Bg2 Qe6 22.e4 dxe4 23.Bxe4 Bg5 24.h4 Be7 25.Re1 Bxe4 26.Nxe4 Qh3 27.Rcd1 f5 28.Qb3+ Kh7 29.Qb5
28/35 01:07 187,421k 2,759k +4.13 14. ... b6 15.Be2 e4 16.d4 Rec8 17.Bb5 Qe6 18.Qd1 Ne7 19.Bf1 Bf5 20.Be2 Qd7 21.Ng2 g5 22.Ne1 c6 23.Nc2 g4 24.Rcb1 h5 25.b4 Rab8 26.c4 h4 27.gxh4 Bxh4 28.c5 bxc5
29/35 01:20 221,475k 2,757k +4.15 14. ... b6 15.Be2 e4 16.d4 Rec8 17.Bb5 Qe6 18.Qd1 Ne7 19.Bf1 Bf5 20.Be2 Qd7 21.Ng2 g5 22.Ne1 c6 23.Nc2 Bh3 24.Bf1 Be6 25.Be2 Rab8 26.b4 Nf5 27.bxa5 bxa5 28.Rab1 Be7 29.Rxb8 Rxb8
30/40 02:30 408,238k 2,711k +4.12 14. ... b6 15.Be2 e4 16.d4 Rec8 17.Bb5 Qe6 18.Qd1 Ne7 19.Bf1 Bf5 20.Ng2 g5 21.Ne1 Qd7 22.Nc2 c6 23.Rcb1 Rc7 24.Be2 Be6 25.b3 Rca7 26.Rb2 Ng6 27.Bf1 Bg7 28.Be2 f5 29.Bh5
31/40 03:06 498,802k 2,675k +4.15 14. ... b6 15.Be2 e4 16.d4 Rec8 17.Bf1 Bf5 18.Bb5 Qd6 19.Ng2 Nd8 20.h4 Ne6 21.Qd1 c5 22.Be2 Rc7 23.Bg4 Bxg4 24.Qxg4 Qd7 25.Qd1 g6 26.Qb3 Qd6 27.Rd1 c4 28.Qb5 h5 29.Nf4 Nxf4 30.exf4
32/43 11:04 1,643,937k 2,476k +4.17 14. ... b6 15.Bg2 Be6 16.Nf3 Rad8 17.Nd2 Bf5 18.Rd1 Bg6 19.Rac1 Be7 20.Bf3 Qd6 21.Re1 Rf8 22.Bg2 Qd7 23.h4 Qe6 24.Nb3 f5 25.Qe2 e4 26.d4 Rd6 27.Nd2 Qd7 28.Nb3 Rd8 29.Nd2 Bf7 30.Qb5
The reason for the bishop trade is not hard to discern: Komodo loves the bishop pair, and will normally trade bishops when it has one and the opponent has two. Komodo's incentive to avoid even exchanges in this match is not large enough to overcome the nearly half a pawn gained by killing the enemy bishop pair. I'm rather surprised that Stockfish doesn't also want to trade for the same reason; probably Stockfish has higher concerns for the White King safety here than Komodo does, and probably on this issue Komodo is correct in this position. Perhaps I would avoid the exchange as White here due to being a piece down, but I'm not sure which choice is really better.
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Re: Komodo vs Bolzoni, 6th (and last) game Broadcast

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Jesse Gersenson wrote:What was contempt set at this week and last week?

I noticed that Komodo played passively against me (giving rook odds) if contempt was set too high.
Yes, for this reason Contempt was reduced from 150 last weekend to 100 this weekend. I think one reason Komodo did worse this time and seemed more passive is simply that I used the best opening moves the first weekend, and had to resort to three inferior opening moves this time to avoid repeat openings. I suppose if the only goal was to win I would have repeated 1d4 and perhaps 1Nf3 (which are likely to transpose), but getting variety for the spectators and avoiding possible preparation were also considerations. I'm not yet sure how we'll deal with this issue in the next (two pawn handicap) match.
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Re: Komodo vs Bolzoni, 6th (and last) game Broadcast

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Ferdy wrote:Why Komodo will not take the pawn in a4? Seems to me there is something wrong with contempt.
[d]R7/5p2/5k2/6b1/p1KP4/7P/1r6/8 w - - 0 56
I don't think it has to do with contempt. Much more likely is that it has to do with EGTB. Maybe we shouldn't even use them in these handicap matches, or at least not until the tablebase position is on the board. If we're winning we will probably win anyway against a much weaker opponent without playing perfectly, while if we are losing we should not worry about playing theoretically best moves. I'll have to check into this.
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Re: Komodo vs Bolzoni, 6th (and last) game Broadcast

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lkaufman wrote:
Uri Blass wrote:I do not understand the move 14.Bxh3

It seems that komodo plays even below master level because I believe that every master is going to play 14.Bh1 or 14.Bf3 to avoid trading bishops.

I thought that there may be some hidden deep tactics that force Bxh3 but I do not find it.

Stockfish see no win after 14.Bf3 and the scores at depth 32 is clearly lower than the score at depths 1-10 and only 0.05 pawn better than the minimal score that it got.

[D]r3r1k1/1ppq1pp1/2n2b1p/p2pp3/P7/2PPPBPb/1PQ2P1P/R1R1N1K1 b - - 6 14

Stockfish_15073009_x64_modern:
1/1 00:00 71 36k +4.67 14. ... b6
2/2 00:00 160 80k +4.77 14. ... b6 15.b3
3/3 00:00 782 196k +4.46 14. ... Rad8 15.d4 b6
4/4 00:00 1k 253k +4.48 14. ... Rad8 15.Ng2 b6 16.d4
5/5 00:00 3k 264k +4.41 14. ... Rad8 15.e4 dxe4 16.Bxe4 b6
6/6 00:00 4k 292k +4.38 14. ... Rad8 15.e4 dxe4 16.Bxe4 g6 17.Ng2
7/7 00:00 7k 493k +4.36 14. ... Rad8 15.e4 Ne7 16.Rd1 b6 17.Ng2 c6
8/8 00:00 21k 1,011k +4.40 14. ... Rad8 15.Bg2 Qe6 16.Nf3 Bg4 17.Nd2 b6 18.e4
9/9 00:00 35k 1,182k +4.36 14. ... Rad8 15.Rd1 b6 16.e4 d4 17.Bg2 dxc3 18.Bxh3 Qxh3 19.bxc3
10/10 00:00 53k 1,398k +4.30 14. ... Rad8 15.Bg2 Bg4 16.Nf3 d4 17.cxd4 exd4 18.Nxd4 Nxd4 19.exd4 Qxd4
11/14 00:00 152k 1,566k +4.25 14. ... Red8 15.Bg2 Be6 16.Nf3 d4 17.cxd4 exd4 18.Nxd4 Nxd4 19.exd4 c6
12/14 00:00 264k 1,830k +4.26 14. ... Red8 15.Rd1 b6 16.Qe2 Ra7 17.Nc2 Be7 18.Rdc1 Raa8 19.Rd1 Rab8 20.e4 d4
13/17 00:00 756k 2,106k +4.26 14. ... Rad8 15.Rd1 Bg5 16.Bg2 Be6 17.Qb3 b6 18.Qb5 Be7 19.c4 Nb4 20.Qxd7 Rxd7 21.Nf3
14/18 00:00 1,022k 2,152k +4.22 14. ... Rad8 15.Bg2 Bg4 16.Bf3 Be6 17.Bg2 Be7 18.Nf3 Bg4 19.Nd2 Qd6 20.Bf3 Be6 21.e4 dxe4 22.Bxe4
15/20 00:00 1,142k 2,147k +4.25 14. ... Rad8 15.Bg2 Bg4 16.Bf3 Be6 17.Bg2 Ne7 18.Nf3 c5 19.Nd2 Nc6 20.Bf3 c4 21.dxc4 dxc4
16/20 00:00 1,295k 2,110k +4.28 14. ... Rad8 15.Bg2 Bg4 16.Bf3 Be6 17.Qe2 g6 18.Nc2 Bg7 19.d4 e4 20.Bg2 b6 21.Qb5 h5 22.h4
17/21 00:01 2,419k 2,102k +4.22 14. ... Rad8 15.Bg2 Bg4 16.Qb3 b6 17.Qb5 e4 18.Nc2 Be2 19.Bf1 Bxf1 20.Rxf1 exd3 21.Qxd3 Ne5 22.Qb5 Qh3 23.Nd4
18/24 00:01 3,686k 2,153k +4.18 14. ... Rad8 15.Bg2 Bg4 16.Qb3 b6 17.Nc2 Ne7 18.Qb5 Qd6 19.h3 Bd7 20.Qb3 Be6 21.h4 g6 22.d4 e4 23.Qb5 h5
19/24 00:02 4,357k 2,163k +4.21 14. ... Rad8 15.Bg2 Bg4 16.Qb3 b6 17.Nc2 Ne7 18.Qb5 Qd6 19.h4 Bd7 20.Qb3 c5 21.Re1 Bg4 22.e4 d4 23.cxd4 cxd4 24.Qb5 g6
20/25 00:03 8,326k 2,189k +4.18 14. ... b6 15.Bg2 Be6 16.Nf3 Rad8 17.Nd2 g6 18.h4 Bg7 19.Rab1 Qd6 20.Ra1 h5 21.Nf3 Bg4 22.Nd2 Qd7 23.Qb3 Be2 24.Qc2
21/25 00:04 10,129k 2,208k +4.15 14. ... b6 15.Bg2 Be6 16.Nf3 Rad8 17.Nd2 g6 18.h4 Bg7 19.Rab1 Bf8 20.Bf3 Bc5 21.Re1 h5 22.Bg2 Bf8 23.Bf3 Bg7 24.b4 axb4 25.cxb4
22/28 00:05 12,703k 2,173k +4.15 14. ... b6 15.Bg2 Be6 16.Nf3 Rad8 17.Nd2 g6 18.h4 Bg7 19.Rab1 Bf8 20.Bf3 Kg7 21.Ra1 Be7 22.Bg2 Kg8 23.Re1 f5 24.d4 e4 25.Qd1 Bf6
23/30 00:16 36,553k 2,211k +4.13 14. ... b6 15.Bg2 Be6 16.Nf3 Rad8 17.Nd2 Be7 18.Rd1 Rf8 19.Qb3 f5 20.Qb5 Bf7 21.d4 e4 22.Bf1 Bf6 23.Be2 g5 24.Re1 Bg6 25.Kg2 Qe6
24/30 00:21 49,602k 2,269k +4.12 14. ... b6 15.Bg2 Be6 16.Nf3 Rad8 17.Nd2 g6 18.Re1 h5 19.h4 Bh3 20.Rac1 Bxh4 21.Bxh3 Qxh3 22.gxh4 e4 23.d4 Qxh4 24.Kf1 Qh3+ 25.Ke2 Qg4+ 26.Kf1 Kg7 27.Qd1 Qh4
25/32 00:25 59,072k 2,331k +4.14 14. ... b6 15.Bg2 Be6 16.Nf3 Rad8 17.Nd2 g6 18.Re1 h5 19.h4 Bg7 20.Rad1 Bg4 21.Bf3 Bh3 22.Bg2 Be6 23.Rc1 Ne7 24.d4 Nc6 25.b4 Bf5 26.e4 dxe4 27.Bxe4
26/34 00:38 100,839k 2,622k +4.18 14. ... b6 15.Bg2 Be6 16.Nf3 Rad8 17.Nd2 Bf5 18.Rd1 Bg6 19.Rac1 Bg5 20.Bf3 f5 21.h4 Bf6 22.d4 Bf7 23.dxe5 Nxe5 24.Be2 f4 25.Bb5 c6 26.exf4 Ng4 27.f3
27/34- 00:45 122,899k 2,707k +4.12 14. ... b6 15.Bg2
27/34 00:47 128,372k 2,726k +4.12 14. ... b6 15.Bg2 Be6 16.Nf3 Rad8 17.Nd2 Bf5 18.Rd1 Bg6 19.Rac1 Be7 20.Bf3 Qd6 21.Bg2 Qe6 22.e4 dxe4 23.Bxe4 Bg5 24.h4 Be7 25.Re1 Bxe4 26.Nxe4 Qh3 27.Rcd1 f5 28.Qb3+ Kh7 29.Qb5
28/35 01:07 187,421k 2,759k +4.13 14. ... b6 15.Be2 e4 16.d4 Rec8 17.Bb5 Qe6 18.Qd1 Ne7 19.Bf1 Bf5 20.Be2 Qd7 21.Ng2 g5 22.Ne1 c6 23.Nc2 g4 24.Rcb1 h5 25.b4 Rab8 26.c4 h4 27.gxh4 Bxh4 28.c5 bxc5
29/35 01:20 221,475k 2,757k +4.15 14. ... b6 15.Be2 e4 16.d4 Rec8 17.Bb5 Qe6 18.Qd1 Ne7 19.Bf1 Bf5 20.Be2 Qd7 21.Ng2 g5 22.Ne1 c6 23.Nc2 Bh3 24.Bf1 Be6 25.Be2 Rab8 26.b4 Nf5 27.bxa5 bxa5 28.Rab1 Be7 29.Rxb8 Rxb8
30/40 02:30 408,238k 2,711k +4.12 14. ... b6 15.Be2 e4 16.d4 Rec8 17.Bb5 Qe6 18.Qd1 Ne7 19.Bf1 Bf5 20.Ng2 g5 21.Ne1 Qd7 22.Nc2 c6 23.Rcb1 Rc7 24.Be2 Be6 25.b3 Rca7 26.Rb2 Ng6 27.Bf1 Bg7 28.Be2 f5 29.Bh5
31/40 03:06 498,802k 2,675k +4.15 14. ... b6 15.Be2 e4 16.d4 Rec8 17.Bf1 Bf5 18.Bb5 Qd6 19.Ng2 Nd8 20.h4 Ne6 21.Qd1 c5 22.Be2 Rc7 23.Bg4 Bxg4 24.Qxg4 Qd7 25.Qd1 g6 26.Qb3 Qd6 27.Rd1 c4 28.Qb5 h5 29.Nf4 Nxf4 30.exf4
32/43 11:04 1,643,937k 2,476k +4.17 14. ... b6 15.Bg2 Be6 16.Nf3 Rad8 17.Nd2 Bf5 18.Rd1 Bg6 19.Rac1 Be7 20.Bf3 Qd6 21.Re1 Rf8 22.Bg2 Qd7 23.h4 Qe6 24.Nb3 f5 25.Qe2 e4 26.d4 Rd6 27.Nd2 Qd7 28.Nb3 Rd8 29.Nd2 Bf7 30.Qb5
The reason for the bishop trade is not hard to discern: Komodo loves the bishop pair, and will normally trade bishops when it has one and the opponent has two. Komodo's incentive to avoid even exchanges in this match is not large enough to overcome the nearly half a pawn gained by killing the enemy bishop pair. I'm rather surprised that Stockfish doesn't also want to trade for the same reason; probably Stockfish has higher concerns for the White King safety here than Komodo does, and probably on this issue Komodo is correct in this position. Perhaps I would avoid the exchange as White here due to being a piece down, but I'm not sure which choice is really better.
Stockfish does not avoid exchange and my point was only that stockfish does not see tactics after Bf3 or Bh1 so there was no deep tactical reason to avoid trading bishops.
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Re: Komodo vs Bolzoni, 6th (and last) game Broadcast

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Vinvin wrote:
mjlef wrote:Victor did great. And thank you Vincent for running this very memorable match.
Time consuming but very interesting play by Victor !
Mark, I feel Komodo played more passive than last week, is it because of the eval of the new Komodo or is it because Victor played more for the initiative ?

Komodo should seek for more complicated and tactical position, but may be ask something impossible ...

After this day, I think a more reasonable handicap would have been a knight for the f pawn.
If Victor also got the white pieces that might be about right; with the Black pieces and f7 missing it would be too difficult for him I'm sure, as the missing f7 pawn forces Black to make serious opening concessions. Or with Victor playing Black, maybe knight for the "c" pawn which is a much smaller problem for Black than the missing "f" pawn. Or perhaps alternating colors with knight for "c" pawn. Comments, anyone?
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Re: Komodo vs Bolzoni, 6th (and last) game Broadcast

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lkaufman wrote:
Vinvin wrote:
mjlef wrote:Victor did great. And thank you Vincent for running this very memorable match.
Time consuming but very interesting play by Victor !
Mark, I feel Komodo played more passive than last week, is it because of the eval of the new Komodo or is it because Victor played more for the initiative ?

Komodo should seek for more complicated and tactical position, but may be ask something impossible ...

After this day, I think a more reasonable handicap would have been a knight for the f pawn.
If Victor also got the white pieces that might be about right; with the Black pieces and f7 missing it would be too difficult for him I'm sure, as the missing f7 pawn forces Black to make serious opening concessions. Or with Victor playing Black, maybe knight for the "c" pawn which is a much smaller problem for Black than the missing "f" pawn. Or perhaps alternating colors with knight for "c" pawn. Comments, anyone?
In my eyes, the 2nd day of match showed that Victor controled Komodo quite easily with the knight advantage. In the 2 first games, the evaluation rose from the beginning until the end. In the 3rd game, the blundered pawn make the things less easy, that probably because of the weariness, 7 hours of play in one day is too much to play against such a monster.

If the Komodo team agrees, I can propose a rematch to Victor :
4 games, a Knight for a pawn, alternate colour, Victor play with the c2, c7, f2 and finally f7 pawn removed.
But only 2 games a day, time control 60 min + 15 sec.

This conditions seems more balanced to me.
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Re: Komodo vs Bolzoni, 6th (and last) game Broadcast

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Another idea is to play human + komodo without a knight vs human. The human point of view can be interesting to find complications than he will know that can't be well handled by the sole human.