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FCP: Rating List after 100.550 games ...

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Rating List after Cheng 4.39 x64 test-run.

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 "FCP Rating List"
 -----------------

 Date             : August 02nd, 2015 (06:30)
 Games            : 100550
 Version          : 3.11.L1-05.L2-06
 Hardware         : 2x Intel Core i7-4770K *4.0-4.3Ghz, 40/10 "repeatedly"
                    1x Intel Core i7-5930K *4.0-4.3Ghz, 40/10 "repeatedly"
 
 Calculation      : Ordo 1.0, "Naum 4.6 x64" with 2890 Elo / News 191
 Parameter        : Ordo_10.exe -a 2890 -A "Naum 4.6 x64" -p 1.pgn -o rating.txt -W -s1000 -D -E -V
 Conditions       : http://www.amateurschach.de/main/_conditions.htm
 

 
      Program                          Elo    +    -   Games   Score  Av.Op.  Draws
  01. Stockfish 26Apr2015 BMI2 x64     3159   15   15  2100    82.4%   2863   31.8%
  02. Komodo 9 x64                     3157   15   15  2100    82.2%   2863   30.2%
  03. Houdini 4 STD B x64              3091   17   17  1050    70.0%   2930   39.5%
  04. Fire 4 x64                       3052   11   11  2750    73.3%   2851   36.4%
  05. GullChess 3.0 BMI2 x64           3043   10   10  2900    70.7%   2868   41.3%
  06. Equinox 3.30 x64                 2997   11   11  2700    67.2%   2856   42.9%
  07. Critter 1.6a x64                 2984   13   13  2000    66.0%   2858   46.0%
  08. Rybka 4.1 SSE42 x64              2958   16   16  1100    53.8%   2930   50.4%
  09. Sting SF 4.8.4 x64               2941   11   11  2350    59.3%   2870   46.1%
  09. Protector 1.8.0 x64              2941   14   14  1250    53.7%   2915   52.6%
  11. Hannibal 1.5 x64                 2905   11   11  2450    56.0%   2861   46.2%
  12. Texel 1.05 x64                   2903   10   10  2550    56.2%   2857   43.2%
  13. Nirvanachess 2.1c POP x64        2902   12   12  2000    56.2%   2857   48.0%
  14. Chiron 2.0 x64                   2900    8    8  4550    58.8%   2832   40.3%
  15. Andscacs 0.81 POP x64            2892   15   15  1200    46.6%   2921   42.7%
  16. Naum 4.6 x64                     2890   10   10  2800    56.5%   2841   43.7%
  17. Hakkapeliitta 3.0 x64            2843   16   16  1150    39.3%   2929   40.0%
  18. Senpai 1.0 SSE42 x64             2838    8    8  4550    51.1%   2834   41.1%
  19. Hiarcs 14 WCSC w32               2830    8    8  4550    50.2%   2834   42.9%
  20. Sjeng c't 2010 w32               2806   11   11  2600    45.8%   2844   41.6%
  21. Shredder 12 x64                  2799    9    9  3400    42.3%   2865   41.0%
  ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  21. Cheng 4.39 x64                   2799   11   11  2050    44.3%   2848   41.7%
  23. Junior 13.3.00 x64               2792    9    9  3700    45.8%   2830   40.4%
  24. Vajolet2 2.0 POP x64             2786   11   11  2400    45.9%   2822   41.5%
  25. Spike 1.4 Leiden w32             2780   10   10  3400    41.8%   2851   41.9%
  26. Deuterium 14.3.34.130 POP x64    2765   10   10  2800    43.1%   2826   43.4%
  27. iCE 2.0 v2240 POP x64            2764    8    8  4700    47.7%   2787   43.3%
  28. Quazar 0.4 x64                   2763    9    9  3550    41.7%   2837   40.7%
  29. DiscoCheck 5.2.1 x64             2761   10   10  3000    41.3%   2836   38.2%
  30. Spark 1.0 x64                    2759    7    7  5300    46.4%   2795   41.7%
  31. SmarThink 1.70 SSE3 x64          2758    8    8  3900    42.6%   2822   37.9%
  31. Alfil 15.04 C# Beta 24 x64       2758   14   14  1250    52.8%   2738   36.6%
  33. Fizbo 1.3.1 x64                  2750   10   10  2500    43.3%   2808   41.9%
  34. Zappa Mexico II x64              2749    9    9  3200    39.7%   2839   41.0%
  35. Thinker 5.4d Inert x64           2741   10   10  2450    39.5%   2831   40.9%
  36. Gaviota 1.0 AVX x64              2729    7    7  5400    42.3%   2796   37.5%
  37. Atlas 3.80 x64                   2724   11   11  2200    41.0%   2800   41.5%
  38. MinkoChess 1.3 JA POP x64        2721   12   12  1850    42.9%   2774   46.0%
  39. EXchess 7.71b x64                2718   15   15  1200    46.7%   2742   45.4%
  39. Arasan 17.5 POP x64              2718   12   12  1900    43.0%   2773   43.3%
  41. Rodent 1.7 Build 1 POP x64       2700   13   13  1700    41.9%   2760   43.4%
  42. Murka 3 x64                      2698   12   12  1850    39.8%   2775   46.8%
  ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  43. Nemo 1.01 Beta POP x64           2692   12   12  1850    39.4%   2772   43.2%
  44. DisasterArea 1.54 x64            2676   12   12  2000    38.7%   2761   43.2%
  45. Pedone 1.1 BMI2 x64              2671   13   13  1650    38.6%   2756   45.0%
  46. Crafty 24.1 SSE42 x64            2656   10   10  2900    40.0%   2734   37.6%


  
 Move average                : 176.30 / 88.150
 White advantage             : 40.20  +/- 0.83
 Draw rate (equal opponents) : 48.33% +/- 0.19
 
 White Wins   :  34707 (34.5%)
 Black Wins   :  24997 (24.9%)
 Draws        :  40846 (40.6%)
 Unfinished   :      0

 White Perf.  :  54.8%
 Black Perf.  :  45.2%

 ECO A        =  17649 Games (17.6%)
 ECO B        =  23696 Games (23.6%)
 ECO C        =  20953 Games (20.8%)
 ECO D        =  19899 Games (19.8%)
 ECO E        =  18353 Games (18.3%)
 
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Re: FCP: Rating List after 101.900 games ...

Post by Frank Quisinsky »

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August 04th, 2015 (22:30)

... after 101900 games!
... after Shredder 12 x64 "missed games" test-run!
... after Booot 5.2.0 x64 test-run!


   # PLAYER                                      : RATING  ERROR   POINTS  PLAYED    (%)
   1 Stockfish 26Apr2015 BMI2 x64                : 3159.5   14.6   1730.0    2100   82.4%
   2 Komodo 9 x64                                : 3157.2   15.0   1726.0    2100   82.2%
   3 Stockfish 6 BMI2 x64                        : 3141.5   16.7   1424.0    1700   83.8%
   4 Stockfish 02Oct2014 BMI2 x64, Contemp 17    : 3112.8   18.4    914.0    1150   79.5%
   5 Komodo 8 x64                                : 3110.5   14.4   1676.0    2100   79.8%
   6 Stockfish 03Aug2014 BMI2 x64                : 3110.4   14.1   1703.0    2100   81.1%
   7 Houdini 4 STD B x64                         : 3091.2   17.7    735.5    1050   70.0%
   8 Stockfish 26Mar2014 SSE42 x64               : 3090.4   20.0    858.5    1050   81.8%
   9 Komodo 7a x64                               : 3085.5   18.7    995.5    1250   79.6%
  10 Stockfish 5 SSE42 x64                       : 3084.3   19.9    796.0    1000   79.6%
  11 Komodo TCECr x64                            : 3054.7   19.7    824.5    1050   78.5%
  12 Fire 4 x64                                  : 3052.1   11.1   2017.0    2750   73.3%
  13 GullChess 3.0 BMI2 x64                      : 3042.9   10.6   2050.5    2900   70.7%
  14 Equinox 3.30 x64                            : 2996.8   11.5   1813.5    2700   67.2%
  15 GullChess 2.8 Beta BMI2 x64                 : 2995.3   17.7    760.5    1050   72.4%
  16 Critter 1.6a x64                            : 2984.3   12.6   1319.5    2000   66.0%
  17 Fire 3.0 AVX x64                            : 2959.3   12.4   1361.0    2100   64.8%
  18 Rybka 4.1 SSE42 x64                         : 2957.7   15.8    592.0    1100   53.8%
  19 Sting SF 4.8.4 x64                          : 2941.4   11.1   1393.5    2350   59.3%
  20 Protector 1.8.0 x64                         : 2941.1   14.6    671.5    1250   53.7%
  21 Protector 1.7.0 x64                         : 2917.4   11.4   1199.0    2150   55.8%
  22 Critter 0.90 SSE4 x64                       : 2906.9   11.7   1201.0    2150   55.9%
  23 Hannibal 1.5 x64                            : 2905.1   11.6   1371.5    2450   56.0%
  24 Texel 1.05 x64                              : 2902.6   10.5   1432.0    2550   56.2%
  25 Nirvanachess 2.1c POP x64                   : 2901.8   11.6   1124.0    2000   56.2%
  26 Chiron 2.0 x64                              : 2899.8    8.1   2677.5    4550   58.8%
  27 Andscacs 0.81 POP x64                       : 2891.9   15.1    559.0    1200   46.6%
  28 Naum 4.6 x64                                : 2890.0   10.7   1583.0    2800   56.5%
  29 Protector 1.6.0 x64                         : 2889.2   13.4    939.5    1600   58.7%
  30 Hannibal 1.4b x64                           : 2868.9    8.9   2011.0    3550   56.6%
  31 Texel 1.04 x64                              : 2854.9    9.8   1672.5    3000   55.8%
  32 Protector 1.5.0 JA x64                      : 2853.5   16.1    577.0    1050   55.0%
  33 Nirvanachess 2.0a x64                       : 2847.2   11.0   1253.5    2400   52.2%
  34 Hakkapeliitta 3.0 x64                       : 2843.2   16.1    452.0    1150   39.3%
  35 Senpai 1.0 SSE42 x64                        : 2837.6    7.6   2324.0    4550   51.1%
  36 Hiarcs 14 WCSC w32                          : 2830.4    7.9   2282.0    4550   50.2%
  37 Andscacs 0.72 POP x64                       : 2817.5   10.3   1202.5    2500   48.1%
  38 Sjeng c't 2010 w32                          : 2805.7   10.6   1190.0    2600   45.8%
  39 Cheng 4.39 x64                              : 2799.4   11.4    936.0    2100   44.6%
  40 Shredder 12 x64                             : 2798.6    8.5   1643.0    3750   43.8%
  41 Texel 1.03 x64                              : 2795.3   16.5    495.0    1050   47.1%
  42 Junior 13.3.00 x64                          : 2792.0    9.0   1719.5    3750   45.9%
  43 Junior 12.5.03 x64                          : 2787.4   14.5    591.0    1400   42.2%
  44 Vajolet2 2.0 POP x64                        : 2785.7   10.7   1127.0    2450   46.0%
  45 Junior 13.8.04 Yokohama x64                 : 2782.3   12.9    723.5    1700   42.6%
  46 Spike 1.4 Leiden w32                        : 2780.1    9.3   1446.5    3450   41.9%
  47 Booot 5.2.0 x64                             : 2778.3   15.9    560.5    1050   53.4%
  48 Deuterium 14.3.34.130 POP x64               : 2765.5   10.2   1232.0    2850   43.2%
  49 iCE 2.0 v2240 POP x64                       : 2764.4    7.7   2270.5    4750   47.8%
  50 Quazar 0.4 x64                              : 2763.2    8.9   1505.0    3600   41.8%
  51 DiscoCheck 5.2.1 x64                        : 2761.7    9.9   1266.5    3050   41.5%
  52 Spark 1.0 x64                               : 2759.4    7.2   2480.5    5350   46.4%
  53 SmarThink 1.70 SSE3 x64                     : 2758.4    8.5   1686.0    3950   42.7%
  54 Alfil 15.04 C# Beta 24 x64                  : 2757.0   13.9    703.5    1350   52.1%
  55 Cheng4 0.38 x64                             : 2756.2   10.6   1005.0    2250   44.7%
  56 Fizbo 1.3.1 x64                             : 2749.7   10.3   1127.0    2600   43.3%
  57 SmarThink 1.60 x64                          : 2747.8   15.7    418.0    1100   38.0%
  58 Zappa Mexico II x64                         : 2747.6    9.6   1290.0    3250   39.7%
  59 Thinker 5.4d Inert x64                      : 2741.1   10.8    990.0    2500   39.6%
  60 Vajolet2 1.45 POP x64                       : 2734.0    8.0   1958.5    4500   43.5%
  61 Vajolet2 1.28 POP x64                       : 2729.9   14.5    533.0    1500   35.5%
  62 Gaviota 1.0 AVX x64                         : 2728.5    7.1   2303.5    5450   42.3%
  63 Deuterium 14.2.33.276 x64                   : 2728.2    9.7   1356.5    3100   43.8%
  64 Atlas 3.80 x64                              : 2725.4   11.3    946.0    2300   41.1%
  65 Tornado 5.0 SSE4 x64                        : 2722.1   11.1    987.0    2300   42.9%
  66 MinkoChess 1.3 JA POP x64                   : 2722.1   12.1    817.0    1900   43.0%
  67 EXchess 7.71b x64                           : 2718.9   14.0    601.5    1300   46.3%
  68 Arasan 17.5 POP x64                         : 2715.6   11.7    849.5    2000   42.5%
  69 Andscacs 0.70 POP x64                       : 2708.6   15.9    456.5    1150   39.7%
  70 SmarThink 1.50 SSE3 x64                     : 2705.5   16.9    371.0    1050   35.3%
  71 Nirvanachess 1.7 x64                        : 2700.3   10.8   1035.5    2500   41.4%
  72 Rodent 1.7 Build 1 POP x64                  : 2699.9   12.6    750.0    1800   41.7%
  73 Murka 3 x64                                 : 2698.4   11.9    736.5    1850   39.8%
  74 Nemo 1.01 Beta POP x64                      : 2692.4   11.5    729.5    1850   39.4%
  75 Arasan 17.4 POP x64                         : 2690.0   10.5   1048.0    2400   43.7%
  76 Fizbo 1.2 x64                               : 2688.8   11.6    878.5    2100   41.8%
  77 Nirvanachess 1.6 x64                        : 2682.3   15.8    406.0    1400   29.0%
  78 Cheng4 0.36c x64                            : 2681.5   11.1    958.5    2200   43.6%
  79 EXchess 7.51b x64                           : 2679.7   11.2    767.5    2050   37.4%
  80 DisasterArea 1.54 x64                       : 2675.9   11.7    774.0    2000   38.7%
  81 Pedone 1.1 BMI2 x64                         : 2671.0   12.3    637.0    1650   38.6%
  82 Rodent 1.6 Build 6 POP x64                  : 2663.0   14.7    488.5    1400   34.9%
  83 Crafty 24.1 SSE42 x64                       : 2656.3    9.8   1159.0    2900   40.0%
  84 EXchess 7.31b x64                           : 2651.9   16.0    495.5    1100   45.0%
  85 Glaurung 2.2 JA x64                         : 2642.8   15.9    471.5    1000   47.1%
  86 Rodent 1.4 Build 2 POP x64                  : 2638.9   16.9    466.0    1000   46.6%
  87 Crafty 24.0 SSE42 x64                       : 2638.8   18.2    287.0    1050   27.3%
  88 Atlas 3.70em x64                            : 2637.2   16.1    468.0    1050   44.6%
  89 OctoChess r5190 SSE4 x64                    : 2633.6   17.4    458.5    1000   45.9%
  90 Rhetoric 1.4.1 x64                          : 2607.7   12.8    638.0    2000   31.9%
  91 Andscacs 0.64 POP x64                       : 2605.6   16.7    419.0    1000   41.9%
  92 Godel 3.4.9 x64                             : 2594.4   15.9    403.5    1000   40.4%
  93 Djinn 1.021 POP x64                         : 2525.3   17.4    312.0    1000   31.2%
  94 ProDeo 1.87 w32                             : 2518.4   17.0    303.5    1000   30.4%

White advantage = 40.07 +/- 0.84
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 48.27 % +/- 0.18
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Re: FCP: With Booot basic work is ready, Pedone, Komodo, SF

Post by Frank Quisinsky »

Hi there,

now all engines I had in my brain are included in my list. Booot was the last one. I believe after all the work on my Rating List now its really interesting to follow for the future with 2050 games for each test-run. Basic work is over ... my opening book works fine too.

6 engine updates I can test monthly with my system. Can't not believe that more as 6 "Top-42" engine updates monthly are available. If so, I can added the next Haswell system.

After Arasan 18.0 POP x64, Pedone 1.2 BMI2 x64 will be start. You can see that with around 30 ELO more Pedone will kill Rodent and is my test-field again.

Crafty need more as 60 Elo for a place in my TOP-42.
Waiting here of the new version from Bob.

Also interesting the next "Fight around Place 1" with newer Stockfish and Komodo versions. Here I am waiting of the next Komodo release.

From Fizbo and Alfil I am waiting of bug-fixes. Latest versions runs with problems under Shredder Classic GUI. Engine programmers should used the UCI-Mother-GUI "Shredder-Classic" for testing. If an engine works under Shredder, in all known cases engine is working under all the others GUIs fine too.

Here the better Rating List ...
More clear for looking ...

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 "FCP Rating List"
 -----------------

 Date             : August 04th, 2015 (23:30)
 Games            : 101900
 Version          : 3.14.L1-06.L2-08
 Hardware         : 2x Intel Core i7-4770K *4.0-4.3Ghz, 40/10 "repeatedly"
                    1x Intel Core i7-5930K *4.0-4.3Ghz, 40/10 "repeatedly"
 
 Calculation      : Ordo 1.0, "Naum 4.6 x64" with 2890 Elo / News 191
 Parameter        : Ordo_10.exe -a 2890 -A "Naum 4.6 x64" -p 1.pgn -o rating.txt -W -s1000 -D -E -V
 Conditions       : http://www.amateurschach.de/main/_conditions.htm
 

 
      Program                          Elo    +    -   Games   Score  Av.Op.  Draws
  01. Stockfish 26Apr2015 BMI2 x64     3159   15   15  2100    82.4%   2863   31.8%
  02. Komodo 9 x64                     3157   15   15  2100    82.2%   2863   30.2%
  03. Houdini 4 STD B x64              3091   18   18  1050    70.0%   2930   39.5%
  04. Fire 4 x64                       3052   11   11  2750    73.3%   2851   36.4%
  05. GullChess 3.0 BMI2 x64           3043   11   11  2900    70.7%   2868   41.3%
  06. Equinox 3.30 x64                 2997   11   11  2700    67.2%   2856   42.9%
  07. Critter 1.6a x64                 2984   13   13  2000    66.0%   2859   46.0%
  08. Rybka 4.1 SSE42 x64              2958   16   16  1100    53.8%   2930   50.4%
  09. Sting SF 4.8.4 x64               2941   11   11  2350    59.3%   2870   46.1%
  09. Protector 1.8.0 x64              2941   15   15  1250    53.7%   2915   52.6%
  11. Hannibal 1.5 x64                 2905   12   12  2450    56.0%   2861   46.2%
  12. Texel 1.05 x64                   2903   10   10  2550    56.2%   2857   43.2%
  13. Nirvanachess 2.1c POP x64        2902   12   12  2000    56.2%   2857   48.0%
  14. Chiron 2.0 x64                   2900    8    8  4550    58.8%   2832   40.3%
  15. Andscacs 0.81 POP x64            2892   15   15  1200    46.6%   2921   42.7%
  16. Naum 4.6 x64                     2890   11   11  2800    56.5%   2841   43.7%
  17. Hakkapeliitta 3.0 x64            2843   16   16  1150    39.3%   2929   40.0%
  18. Senpai 1.0 SSE42 x64             2838    8    8  4550    51.1%   2834   41.1%
  19. Hiarcs 14 WCSC w32               2830    8    8  4550    50.2%   2834   42.9%
  20. Sjeng c't 2010 w32               2806   11   11  2600    45.8%   2844   41.6%
  21. Cheng 4.39 x64                   2799   11   11  2100    44.6%   2846   41.8%
  ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  22. Shredder 12 x64                  2799    9    9  3750    43.8%   2853   40.8%
  23. Junior 13.3.00 x64               2792    9    9  3750    45.9%   2829   40.5%
  24. Vajolet2 2.0 POP x64             2786   11   11  2450    46.0%   2821   41.7%
  25. Spike 1.4 Leiden w32             2780    9    9  3450    41.9%   2850   42.0%
  26. Booot 5.2.0 x64                  2778   16   16  1050    53.4%   2754   45.0%
  27. Deuterium 14.3.34.130 POP x64    2765   10   10  2850    43.2%   2825   43.3%
  28. iCE 2.0 v2240 POP x64            2764    8    8  4750    47.8%   2787   43.4%
  29. Quazar 0.4 x64                   2763    9    9  3600    41.8%   2836   40.8%
  30. DiscoCheck 5.2.1 x64             2762   10   10  3050    41.5%   2835   38.4%
  31. Spark 1.0 x64                    2759    7    7  5350    46.4%   2794   41.8%
  32. SmarThink 1.70 SSE3 x64          2758    8    8  3950    42.7%   2822   38.0%
  33. Alfil 15.04 C# Beta 24 x64       2757   14   14  1350    52.1%   2742   36.4%
  34. Fizbo 1.3.1 x64                  2750   10   10  2600    43.3%   2807   41.8%
  35. Zappa Mexico II x64              2748   10   10  3250    39.7%   2838   41.0%
  36. Thinker 5.4d Inert x64           2741   11   11  2500    39.6%   2830   41.2%
  37. Gaviota 1.0 AVX x64              2729    7    7  5450    42.3%   2796   37.4%
  38. Atlas 3.80 x64                   2725   11   11  2300    41.1%   2800   41.4%
  39. MinkoChess 1.3 JA POP x64        2722   12   12  1900    43.0%   2774   46.2%
  40. EXchess 7.71b x64                2719   14   14  1300    46.3%   2746   44.7%
  41. Arasan 17.5 POP x64              2716   12   12  2000    42.5%   2774   43.4%
  42. Rodent 1.7 Build 1 POP x64       2700   13   13  1800    41.7%   2761   43.2%
  ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
  43. Murka 3 x64                      2698   12   12  1850    39.8%   2775   46.8%
  44. Nemo 1.01 Beta POP x64           2692   11   11  1850    39.4%   2772   43.2%
  45. DisasterArea 1.54 x64            2676   12   12  2000    38.7%   2761   43.2%
  46. Pedone 1.1 BMI2 x64              2671   12   12  1650    38.6%   2756   45.0%
  47. Crafty 24.1 SSE42 x64            2656   10   10  2900    40.0%   2734   37.6%
  


 Move average                : 176.41 / 88.205
 White advantage             : 40.07  +/- 0.84
 Draw rate (equal opponents) : 48.27% +/- 0.18
 
 White Wins   :  35147 (34.5%)
 Black Wins   :  25316 (24.8%)
 Draws        :  41437 (40.7%)
 Unfinished   :      0

 White Perf.  :  54.8%
 Black Perf.  :  45.2%

 ECO A        =  17913 Games (17.6%)
 ECO B        =  24005 Games (23.6%)
 ECO C        =  21216 Games (20.8%)
 ECO D        =  20163 Games (19.8%)
 ECO E        =  18602 Games (18.3%)
 
Vinvin
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Re: FCP: With Booot basic work is ready, Pedone, Komodo, SF

Post by Vinvin »

Do you know if Alfil 15.07 is clearly stronger than Alfil 15.04 ?
Frank Quisinsky
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Re: FCP: With Booot basic work is ready, Pedone, Komodo, SF

Post by Frank Quisinsky »

Hi,

but not to test under Shredder Classic GUI.
To many bugs included.

I am waiting of the next version ... should be available this months.

Same for Fizbo 1.4 ... to many mistakes and not to test under Shredder Classic GUI.

Best
Frank