In the big battle Stockfish vs Komodo leads… Gull!

[Guenther]

Indeed, if the engines which get the constant updates lose what they earned earlier vs an older engine, Gull, which hasn't been recieving updates, and even a year ago was a lot weaker than the top engines which are supposedly getting even better by the day, then it doesn't say much for chess engine improvement!

Perhaps better leave things as they were a year ago and don't tamper anymore with the good things of yesterday.

Amazing how many people can make judgements based on less than 10 games.

Exactly! Typical for uninformed mainstream media and some posters here, who still have no clue about statistics.
Some here even think Gull can improve when always being the same version :)

[S.Taylor]

Even if it did not get stronger, it still might be stronger than the present SF and Komodo, and with present settings in TCEC.

(I'm not denying that staistics could be accompanied by wild fluctuations also).

[Graham Banks]

Even if it did not get stronger, it still might be stronger than the present SF and Komodo, and with present settings in TCEC.

(I'm not denying that staistics could be accompanied by wild fluctuations also).

Gull certainly seems to excel in TCEC conditions.
I've never seen it perform to such a comparatively high degree anywhere else.

[Tomcass]

Under my testing conditions, using 8 and 6 real cores, 4 minutes fixed Time Control, 2 minutes + 2 seconds incremental, and over 10,000 games played, Gull 3 XP scored ... 159 Elo points below the Top Scorer Stockfish Development 190915:

1.- Stockfish Development 190915= 3.262
2.- Stockfish Bullet 280915= 3.259
3.- Komodo 9.2 = 3.251.
4.- Komodo 9.1= 3.247
5.- Sugar Pro V.1= 3.246
6.- Stockfish Dev. 200815= 3.241
7.- Stockfish 6= 3.219
8.- Komodo 9= 3.209
9.- Houdini 4= 3.136
10.- Gull 3 XP= 3.103

Anyway, I like this free engine very much and by now I keep it as a reference for my tests.

Regards,

Tom.

[Uri Blass]

Even if it did not get stronger, it still might be stronger than the present SF and Komodo, and with present settings in TCEC.

(I'm not denying that staistics could be accompanied by wild fluctuations also).

Gull lost some games in TCEC and after 21 rounds it has 1.5 points less than stockfish(and it could be 3 points less than stockfish without the losses of stockfish on time).

[S.Taylor]

I noticed this.
It would actually be a shame if all the work of komodo/SF in 1-2 years was already done in Gull 3 a long time ago.

[reflectionofpower]

I noticed this.
It would actually be a shame if all the work of komodo/SF in 1-2 years was already done in Gull 3 a long time ago.

If you look in any field of life many things done in the past are still superior to today's handling of matters.

For example: Has technology made people's lives simpler?

People are now hounded 24/7 because they are tethered to their work,interests or their social skills are seriously eroded. Neck strain instead of keeping their head up talking to someone is a boom for chiropractors.

I go to the gym 5X's a week and most people can not even hold a conversation for a minute. They are so busy picking out a song to do an exercise or looking at something on their web phone that they are accomplishing a non existent goal in their mind. I started working out again after a 4 year lay over in life and I was already in better shape than 99%of these people and I will be 54 in Dec. After a couple months and muscle memory I am making great gains in definition and mass plus biking 11-12 miles and walking 1.5+/ day.

I was talking to a guy with a hip replacement and a partial knee replacement and I asked him did you just get through doing leg extensions (bad, sheer force on the knee joint). He said yeah; I said do NOT do that exercise, especially if you have bad knees never mind healthy ones. Upright rows, behind the neck presses, pulldowns to the neck & Squats on a Smith Machine. ANyone should know this as the info is out there. I will not even go into Tanning booths.

I went off a little on the health side but you get my point hopefully.

Dating sites? Shit, all I have to do is go shop at a grocery store, Walmart, library and (drum roll) TALK, communiv=cate with someone and I can get a date but this is impossible for someone who lives behind a screen and believe me I live behind one too so I know.

I have an Analog AND Digital mind as do some of us on here so it gives you an age. Having just a digital mind outs you in a hole.

What happens when you can not fix Windows or Linux in GUI mode?? I know DOS cause that is where I started so I am not completely lost. I do not know syntactic Unix/Linux but I guarantee the Ken Thompson devotee will solve his problem if Ubuntu fails and it does cause I know and have had it happen.

This books explains this but I have seen it in real life for decades now,

"Mind Change: How Digital Technologies Are Leaving Their Mark on Our Brains"

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/081299 ... rchshop-20

[whereagles]

Seems hard for the Gull dream to come to fruition now... but the engine lives on as clear #3.

[reflectionofpower]

Seems hard for the Gull dream to come to fruition now... but the engine lives on as clear #3.

I always liked Gull and it's solid,positional, overall prowess.

[tmokonen]

The part no one seems to be mentioning is both Stockfish and Gull are free engines

Not to mention open source. Stockfish would never have been so strong if it were closed source, and testing were not done in the manner that it is now. Gull is wonderful, too, for such a small amount of source code.