Crafty rating at TCEC

[hgm]

Wel, according to the CCRL list having more than two paritcipants is pointless. Unless the number of games wouldbe strongly reduced.

Of course you could do both. Only allow Stockfish and Komodo, and play 10 games.

[bob]

He support the Trump. But for the strong chess need the good thinking.

To support Trump, someone would have to be out of their mind!

I agree with you that good thinking is needed. Crafty has been worked on since the old Cray Blitz days in the 1970's by Bob and yet Crafty cannot beat an original program called Andscacs written only a couple of years ago by a young programmer named, Daniel José Queraltó. This certainly reflects the bad shape that Crafty is in now.

I would suggest that we send a letter to the TCEC and signed by all of us to stop testing Crafty as it is simply to weak compared to most chess programs in 2016.

Does someone want to make the first draft of the letter and post it here?

Perhaps, we should consider one for Hiarcs too, for the same reasons.

On a side note Stockfish takes commanding lead at the Top Chess Engine Championship

Cordially,

Sean

I really don't care about your trolling, but you could at least get facts correct.

Cray Blitz was not a "1970's" program. It didn't exist until 1981, and it played competitively through the last ACM computer chess tournament in 1994. Crafty came along in early 1995.

For the rest of your post, nobody cares about your opinion.

And if you continue the nonsense, further complaints are going to create consequences for you.

Point of fact: Was not Cray Blitz the early version of Crafty? Why do you feel your former world champion program has fallen, so far behind other relatively new programs? Going from first-place to forty-sixth place is quite a fall!

The same question for Hiarcs, once a world champion program now relegated to twenty-fourth place. Yet, Hiarcs feels compelled to ask prices from: £37.50 / €45 / $49 for their PC product.

If I can download the current TCEC leader, Stockfish for free or acquire Komodo for $60, something is wrong with the computer chess community.

Cordially,

Sean

You mentioned Cray Blitz explicitly. It didn't exist until 1981. It was retired at the end of 1994.

[mhull]

Point of fact: Was not Cray Blitz the early version of Crafty?

Not so much. Bob can correct me if I'm wrong, but Intel x86 architecture was unable to efficiently implement all the CB techniques so easily implemented on the Cray architecture of the time. CB features like pawn fortress code have yet to be attempted on Crafty (cheaply done on Cray, expensive on Intel).

Crafty started with only the basics of a chess program, nowhere close to the maturity of Cray Blitz. And several advanced CB techniques are still not implemented in crafty.

[Dann Corbit]

Point of fact: Was not Cray Blitz the early version of Crafty?

Not so much. Bob can correct me if I'm wrong, but Intel x86 architecture was unable to efficiently implement all the CB techniques so easily implemented on the Cray architecture of the time. CB features like pawn fortress code have yet to be attempted on Crafty (cheaply done on Cray, expensive on Intel).

Crafty started with only the basics of a chess program, nowhere close to the maturity of Cray Blitz. And several advanced CB techniques are still not implemented in crafty.

Cray machines have vector instructions as another important difference.
I believe that Cray Blitz exploited those.

[Adam Hair]

He support the Trump. But for the strong chess need the good thinking.

To support Trump, someone would have to be out of their mind!

I agree with you that good thinking is needed. Crafty has been worked on since the old Cray Blitz days in the 1970's by Bob and yet Crafty cannot beat an original program called Andscacs written only a couple of years ago by a young programmer named, Daniel José Queraltó. This certainly reflects the bad shape that Crafty is in now.

I would suggest that we send a letter to the TCEC and signed by all of us to stop testing Crafty as it is simply to weak compared to most chess programs in 2016.

Does someone want to make the first draft of the letter and post it here?

Perhaps, we should consider one for Hiarcs too, for the same reasons.

On a side note Stockfish takes commanding lead at the Top Chess Engine Championship

Cordially,

Sean

I really don't care about your trolling, but you could at least get facts correct.

Cray Blitz was not a "1970's" program. It didn't exist until 1981, and it played competitively through the last ACM computer chess tournament in 1994. Crafty came along in early 1995.

For the rest of your post, nobody cares about your opinion.

And if you continue the nonsense, further complaints are going to create consequences for you.

Point of fact: Was not Cray Blitz the early version of Crafty? Why do you feel your former world champion program has fallen, so far behind other relatively new programs? Going from first-place to forty-sixth place is quite a fall!

You are displaying your ignorance in a couple ways, though I doubt it matters to you. But please do at least reference a ratings list of some statistical significance. You will see that Crafty is at least a top 35 engine (after accounting for closely related engines) and is still moving up.

The same question for Hiarcs, once a world champion program now relegated to twenty-fourth place. Yet, Hiarcs feels compelled to ask prices from: £37.50 / €45 / $49 for their PC product.

If I can download the current TCEC leader, Stockfish for free or acquire Komodo for $60, something is wrong with the computer chess community.

Cordially,

Sean

Hiarcs is a top 20 engine when you account for closely related engines. And you are leaving out that you get the Hiarcs GUI along with the engine.