SF 160916 VS Komodo 10.1 long time control

[shrapnel]

In fact this type of a smashing is probably a bad sign for Houdini when it plays in the superfinal. If my speculation is correct and Houdini development still is not at Komodo's level then it will be absolutely pounded.

Wow, Adam, you're really giving it to poor Houdini !
Hope you and ol' Houdart don't bump into each other in a dark alley !

[shrapnel]

AsmFish is definitely the fastest SF compile, but unfortunately the updates are few and far between....

[APassionForCriminalJustic]

In fact this type of a smashing is probably a bad sign for Houdini when it plays in the superfinal. If my speculation is correct and Houdini development still is not at Komodo's level then it will be absolutely pounded.

Wow, Adam, you're really giving it to poor Houdini !
Hope you and ol' Houdart don't bump into each other in a dark alley !

Haha nah man, not exactly. I'm saying something that makes sense. If Komodo 10.1 is getting pounded like this then Houdini doesn't have a chance in the world. Of course we will let the games do the talking. But Komodo 10.1 should be about 125 to 150 Elo over Houdini 4. I have nothing against Houdart; I'm just looking forward to one of the most lopsided superfinals in TCEC history. We will be looking at maybe two losses for Stockfish in the superfinal.

AsmFish is up to date. I think that he is merely one patch behind publicly. Mohammed was busy implementing NUMA into Stockfish development. It failed. Expect updates on a frequent basis.

[JJJ]

It's Houdini dev to the final, not Houdini 4.

[APassionForCriminalJustic]

It's Houdini dev to the final, not Houdini 4.

So what? My point is that even if Houdini somehow gained 125 in Elo (which I strongly doubt for a one-man project who was averaging 50 Elo annually) over Houdini 4 it still wouldn't even be close to enough. This type of dominance over an engine (K 10.1) that is well over 100 Elo stronger than Houdart's last public release gives us a very clear indication of what will happen in the superfinal. It's going to be utterly hilarious and humiliating watching Houdini development struggle for maybe two wins in the entire final.

[Dann Corbit]

It's Houdini dev to the final, not Houdini 4.

So what? My point is that even if Houdini somehow gained 125 in Elo (which I strongly doubt for a one-man project who was averaging 50 Elo annually) over Houdini 4 it still wouldn't even be close to enough. This type of dominance over an engine (K 10.1) that is well over 100 Elo stronger than Houdart's last public release gives us a very clear indication of what will happen in the superfinal. It's going to be utterly hilarious and humiliating watching Houdini development struggle for maybe two wins in the entire final.

Current TCEC Rapid says otherwise:

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 N Engine Rtng Pts Gm SB Ho Ko St Fi Gi Jo Ch Ry Pr Ni Gu An Ha Te Na Fz Cr Ra Bo La Fu Va Ar Th Hk Ga Di Je My De Fe Fr 
 1 Houdini 200716 3182 33.0 36 527.00 ·· = = 1 1 = 1 1 = = 1 1 1 1 1 = 1 1 11 1 11 11 1 1 1 1 11 1 1 1 11 1 
 2 Komodo 1692.19 3230 31.5 37 555.25 = ·· = = 1 11 =1 = 1 = =1 =1 1 =1 1 1 11 1 1 = = 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 
 3 Stockfish 030916 3228 30.5 36 482.00 = = ·· 1 = = = 1 1 1 1 = = = 1 1 = 1 11 1 = 11 11 1 1 1 11 1 1 = 11 1 

[Dann Corbit]

It's Houdini dev to the final, not Houdini 4.

So what? My point is that even if Houdini somehow gained 125 in Elo (which I strongly doubt for a one-man project who was averaging 50 Elo annually) over Houdini 4 it still wouldn't even be close to enough. This type of dominance over an engine (K 10.1) that is well over 100 Elo stronger than Houdart's last public release gives us a very clear indication of what will happen in the superfinal. It's going to be utterly hilarious and humiliating watching Houdini development struggle for maybe two wins in the entire final.

Current TCEC Rapid says otherwise:

Code: Select all

 N Engine Rtng Pts Gm SB Ho Ko St Fi Gi Jo Ch Ry Pr Ni Gu An Ha Te Na Fz Cr Ra Bo La Fu Va Ar Th Hk Ga Di Je My De Fe Fr 
 1 Houdini 200716 3182 33.0 36 527.00 ·· = = 1 1 = 1 1 = = 1 1 1 1 1 = 1 1 11 1 11 11 1 1 1 1 11 1 1 1 11 1 
 2 Komodo 1692.19 3230 31.5 37 555.25 = ·· = = 1 11 =1 = 1 = =1 =1 1 =1 1 1 11 1 1 = = 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 
 3 Stockfish 030916 3228 30.5 36 482.00 = = ·· 1 = = = 1 1 1 1 = = = 1 1 = 1 11 1 = 11 11 1 1 1 11 1 1 = 11 1 

Caveats:
Sample size is small
Programs sometimes perform differently at different time controls (e.g. Komodo seems to do better at long time control than at blitz, IIRC).

[Nay Lin Tun]

Stockfish cant catch up 2 months old Houdini dev in TCEC rapid. Recently Houdart said that another updated Houdini dev is +25 elo than that old Houdini dev playing in TCEC.

http://tcec.chessdom.com/live.php

[JJJ]

Houdini won against Komodo twice in stage 3. Finished one full point ahead. So the elo jump is probably very high in fact and I doubt it is because of contempt.

I doubt Houdini will win only 2 games in the superfinal against Stockfish and I will be happy when I will see that.

[Nay Lin Tun]

R. Houdart said H dev is playing with contempt 0 in both stage 3 and rapid!