CEGT - rating lists November 13th 2016

[mehmet karaman]

Total prize of Deep Fritz- Kramnik match was 1 million euro. This money is equal to the total prize of Carlsen-Karjakin match.

I think it's time for a sensational Computer (Komodo/Stockfish/Houdini) -Human (~2800 elo GM) match. Maybe it will be a time odds match

[mehmet karaman]

For the Computer -Human match the time control for computer will be 10''+0.1' (11 seconds/60 move ) and the time control for GM will be 150' +30'' (10800 seconds/60 move).

1000x thinking time ~ 600 elo

In these conditions we can see a very controversial match.

[mehmet karaman]

I have written several times about the 2800 elo of Shredder 12.

Most of the testers give 2800 elo to Deep Shredder 12(1 core) engine.
Shredder 12 didn't make any real match versus GM's /IM's.
Shredder 9 was the last Shredder engine to play in the human tournaments.

The performance of Shredder 9 is 2758 elo at 2005 Mercosur Cup (8.5/10, Pentium 4 3.5 Ghz, ~1200 Fritz Benchmark)

The performance of Shredder 9 is 2807 elo at 2005 Vincente Lopez ITT 2005 (9.5/10, Pentium 4 3.5 Ghz, ~1200 Fritz Benchmark)

http://en.chessbase.com/post/shredder-9 ... a-mercosur

The hardware of Shredder 9 was more weaker than today's hardwares and the opening book of Shredder 9 was more weaker than today's opening books.

In real Shredder 9 (1 core) has 2800 human elo.

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Repetition can even make known lies sound more believable

[mehmet karaman]

I have written several times about the 2800 elo of Shredder 12.

Most of the testers give 2800 elo to Deep Shredder 12(1 core) engine.
Shredder 12 didn't make any real match versus GM's /IM's.
Shredder 9 was the last Shredder engine to play in the human tournaments.

The performance of Shredder 9 is 2758 elo at 2005 Mercosur Cup (8.5/10, Pentium 4 3.5 Ghz, ~1200 Fritz Benchmark)

The performance of Shredder 9 is 2807 elo at 2005 Vincente Lopez ITT 2005 (9.5/10, Pentium 4 3.5 Ghz, ~1200 Fritz Benchmark)

http://en.chessbase.com/post/shredder-9 ... a-mercosur

The hardware of Shredder 9 was more weaker than today's hardwares and the opening book of Shredder 9 was more weaker than today's opening books.

In real Shredder 9 (1 core) has 2800 human elo.

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Repetition can even make known lies sound more believable

[carldaman]

I have written several times about the 2800 elo of Shredder 12.

Most of the testers give 2800 elo to Deep Shredder 12(1 core) engine.
Shredder 12 didn't make any real match versus GM's /IM's.
Shredder 9 was the last Shredder engine to play in the human tournaments.

The performance of Shredder 9 is 2758 elo at 2005 Mercosur Cup (8.5/10, Pentium 4 3.5 Ghz, ~1200 Fritz Benchmark)

The performance of Shredder 9 is 2807 elo at 2005 Vincente Lopez ITT 2005 (9.5/10, Pentium 4 3.5 Ghz, ~1200 Fritz Benchmark)

http://en.chessbase.com/post/shredder-9 ... a-mercosur

The hardware of Shredder 9 was more weaker than today's hardwares and the opening book of Shredder 9 was more weaker than today's opening books.

In real Shredder 9 (1 core) has 2800 human elo.

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Repetition can even make known lies sound more believable

I have to agree that Shredder 12 = 2800 makes no sense and that figure seems [more than 100 Elo points] too low, based on the (human vs computer) historical data we do have. 2800 looks more like an arbitrary round number.

At least, CCRL has attempted to give the engines ratings that are more closely lined up to the (approximated) human Elo scale. Shredder 12 on 1 core is rated ~2950 on CCRL 40/40.

CL

[mehmet karaman]

Elo development of Strongest Human/Chess Program according to 1989


Kasparov broke the magical 2800 Elo point in November 1989

Magnus Carlsen's live rating is 2846

In 1989 the strongest chess program is Deep Thought

Deep Thought has 2400-2450 human elo (six-processor version)

If Deep Thought were listed in Cegt rating list , it's rating is probably lower than 2100. Fritz 4.01 rating is 2252 at Cegt 40/4.

Fritz 4 ( Pentium 90 Mhz) beat x10 faster version of Deep Thought (DT II) at the WCCC 1995 and became World Computer Chess Champion)

The Stockfish Benchmark of Pentium 90 is only 4 kn/s. TCEC 9 final hardware(44 cpu) is 14000 x (fourteen thousand) faster than Pentium 90.

In 2016 the strongest chess program is Stockfish 8

Stockfish 8 (12 cpu) has 3540 elo (Cegt 40/4 )

2016 .......................... 1989

Magnus Carlsen / +46 elo according to G.Kasparov

Stockfish 8 / +1400 elo according to Deep Thought

[mehmet karaman]

CEGT is a good rating list. CCRL, SSDF, FCP, IPON, FGRL , SCCT, FGRL, SPCC, etc. are good rating lists too. Why do not we appreciate them enough?

I think it's the right time for the 1st Talkchess Community Awards.

There can be many categories.

2016 Best Chess Engine
2016 Best Derivative Chess Engine
2016 Best Dedicated Chess Computer
2016 Most Improved Chess Engine
2016 Best Chess Program Author
2016 Best Chess Opening Book
2016 Best Engine Rating List
2016 Best Tester of Chess Engines
2016 Best Computer Chess Author
2016 Best Computer Chess Website
2016 Best Engine- Engine Game
Honorary Awards (Contrubition to Computer Chess)
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For Chess Engines elo level should not be the only criterion.

The prize can be symbolic (medal, chess software, book, etc.)

[mehmet karaman]

My Some Choices are;

2016 Best Chess Engine : Houdini 5 / Stockfish 8
2016 Best Dedicated Chess Computer: Millennium Chess Genius Pro
2016 Most Improved Chess Engine : Deep Shredder 13
2016 Best Chess Program Author: Stefan Meyer-Kahlen
2016 Best Chess Opening Book: Noomen.ctg.
2016 Best Computer Chess Author: Kai Laskos
2016 Best Computer Chess Website: Frank's Chess Page

To give a decison about Best Rating List and Tester is really difficult.

Honorary Awards (Contrubition to Computer Chess):
Larry Kaufman/Robert Hyatt.

Lary Kaufman has been iComputer Chess over 40 years. Mackhack to Komodo. MacMacHack VI is the the first program to beat a human in 1967. The opening book was compiled by two MIT students, Larry Kaufman and Alan Baisley. He was/is involved in the development of (Machack VI, Rex,Socrates ....Rybka, Doch,Komodo)

Robert Hyatt: He has been in Computer Chess from 1968 to nowadays. Blit, Cray Blitz (it won 2 times ACM, 2 times WCCC), Crafty

[mehmet karaman]

Do you know Dr. Harun Taner. His only passion was chess.

Harun Taner (October 3, 1966 - May 2015) was a Turkish naval engineer and researcher, writer and publisher of chess [1] and literature periodicals [2], multilingual blogger, chess player, computer chess aficionado and tester. Harun Taner graduated in 1988 from Istanbul Technical University, in the 90s, he was affiliated with the Technical University of Berlin. He survived the 1999 İzmit earthquake, since 2000, his residence was in Antalya. Harun Taner died in May 2015 at age 48 [3].
https://chessprogramming.wikispaces.com/Harun+Taner

The number of his forum posts were over 20.000.

I would have liked to be given a reward in his life. (Best tester or best computer chess author)

Harun Taner lived alone. It was understood a week later by the people he died.

He was buried in the homeless graveyard.

[Frank Quisinsky]

Hi Mehmet,

oh yes, Harun a very sympathical computer chess lover ...
We lost so many of important persons in the last years.
Often I am very sadly.

2016 Best Chess Engine : Houdini 5 / Stockfish 8

Yes, Houdini 5 and Stockfish 8 ... Fizbo, Hakkapeliitta and many others too plays great chess. The new Houdini Plays very aggressive and interesting chess with many pieces on board after openings and is very very strong in endgames. I like Wasp and the interesting style of Wasp. Fire is clearly improved ... I like more as 20 engines I believe.

Stockfish Plays in the late middlegame / Transition into endgame in an own league. What the engine here do is fantastic chess very impressive ... means I understand often nothing but it must be good

Komodo is great ... most interesting chess for myself comes from Komodo. More balanced as ultimate analyse engines ... to all playing phases. From the TOP engines Komodo is my personal favorite.

2016 Best Dedicated Chess Computer: Millennium Chess Genius Pro

Most fun I had with Mach III 18Mhz, Super VIP II and Dominator. Today interesting things to that topic are available of still under development and of course in the beginning with my Fidelity Chess Challanger 7 ... and often with programs by Ed. I had a lot of fun with Mephisto B&P with self playing. Today I play most of the time vs. AnMon / SOS / Phalanx / Zarkov / SSEChess.

2016 Most Improved Chess Engine : Deep Shredder 13

Shredder 13 is on position 2 for me ...
Andscacs on position 1 here ...

I made many interviews with Stefan. In the past I orgaince an Event ... Deep Shredder vs. The World for Gambit-Soft and Millennium by Ossi Weiner. Many persons around the World made interesting analyzes. The game ended draw ... after around 4 months. Stefan is a very sympathical guy and many important things Comes from him. UCI for an example. I am very happy with Shredder 13. I like Stefan and his work all the years. Maybe today the most important chess programmer.

In three years Andscacs comes from place 50 and go to place 8. Maybe the current version on place 6 of available engines ... not tested so far here.

2016 Best Chess Program Author: Stefan Meyer-Kahlen

Yes and Fabian, Tord, John Stanback for myself ... Bob Hyatt of course and the programmer of Andscacs & Fire and so many others ... Ferdinand is very talended ... I think we have many many talented programmers. The programmer of Winboard today and Tim in the past. Martin Blume is a great programmer with a lot of knowledge and understanding, good ideas. Again ... so many programmers the list is very Long for me. In Booot and Smarthink are a lot of interesting ideas ... in Junior too ... in Cheng, Texel, Vajolet, Pedone, Gaviota ... and Rodent is Ultra interesting. I like so many chess engines and I am happy to have all.

Norm Pollock, Ferdinand and of Miguel ... Ordo is a great work.

2016 Best Chess Opening Book: Noomen.ctg.

My own to ... but only if I can make it better ... 3-5% bad opening lines is to many ... from day to day lesser and all works fine here but today with the knowledge I have I can improved it clearly. The problem is to do that ...
need a lot of time. So you are right the Noomen book is very good and also the book of Hiarcs. If I am not looking in my own work I am looking in the book of Hiarcs. In that book a lot of work I can see the book author do here. The book of Sedat is good ... small but good. Sedat do also a lot. Very good from the ChessBase books is one of the older Junior books.

2016 Best Computer Chess Author: Kai Laskos

Oh yes!
Very interesting material Kai produced!
Kai is a ... artful dodger (Schlitzohr ... hope this is right in English language).

Kai try to find out a bit ... such things are most interesting in Computer chess. I try it too but my rating list need to many time.

2016 Best Computer Chess Website: Frank's Chess Page

Ups, often very boring and not many time today. In the past I had more time ... Arena or Winboard / Gambit-Soft times. Today only a rating list and I think not very important ... we have much better sites.

But I am happy with your comments.
I invested a lot of time in Computer chess and it's nice to read.

Over all the years in the past ...
Most detail work I think Ed Schröder do here. OK, I do here a lot if I am thinking on all the years computer chess ... but honestly ... different others made more interesting things I do. I am not consistant ... after a time I lost my interest and must do other things. I can't work 10 years on the same Topic ... have anxiety to miss something.

Best computer chess sites today is "Chess Programming Wiki" by Gerd Isenberg, no doubt about it. At second "Computer Chess Wiki".

Again ... we have a lot of persons which can do interesting things. We don't have a good organization and we don't have a good statistic GUI ... OK we have many tools but I wish me since many years a good statistic GUI.

Best
and have fun with our hobby ... for the next 100 years.

PS:
I think I should write a book about computer chess. About all my experience in now 40 years computer chess. Again, many many intersting persons are working for us in the past and today. My list here is very small ... many programmers we had in the past ... Bart Westrate or James Robertson for two examples. Frans Morsch too ... many many people. But most important for myself is Bob Hyatt, John Stanback, Ed Schröder and Fabian ... have a lot of respect here.