Can Komodo give knight odds in standard chess to a master?

Nordlandia · Post by **Nordlandia** » Fri Aug 04, 2017 6:30 pm

Knight for reversed royals.

Komodo evaluation: [~2.60]

[d]rnbkqbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQ - 0 1

Lyudmil Tsvetkov · Post by **Lyudmil Tsvetkov** » Sat Aug 05, 2017 9:58 am

Nordlandia wrote:Knight for reversed royals.

Komodo evaluation: [~2.60]

[d]rnbkqbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQ - 0 1

SF on 4 threads resists for about 50 moves or so.

[pgn][Event "Blitz 1m"]
[Site "Microsoft"]
[Date "2017.08.05"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Stockfish 8 64 POPCNT"]
[Black "myself, owner"]
[Result "0-1"]
[Annotator "owner"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbkqbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQ - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "134"]
[EventDate "2017.??.??"]
[TimeControl "60"]

{512MB, OWNER-PC} 1. d4 {-2.69/20 3} d5 {4} 2. c4 {-2.56/19 3} e6 {2} 3. e3 {
-2.46/19 0} f5 {3} 4. Be2 {-2.67/20 3} Nf6 {2} 5. Nf3 {-2.74/21 2} c6 {0} 6.
O-O {-2.30/15 2} Bd6 {2} 7. b3 {-2.37/16 1} Ke7 {2} 8. a4 {-2.51/18 2} a5 {6}
9. Bb2 {-2.52/15 1} Qd8 {11} 10. Ne5 {-2.43/14 1} Re8 {7} 11. f3 {-3.01/17 2}
Kf8 {2} 12. c5 {-3.25/18 4} Bc7 {6} 13. Rc1 {-3.38/22 0} Nbd7 {2} 14. Qe1 {-3.
10/19 1} Nxe5 {5} 15. dxe5 {-3.23/18 1} Nd7 {2} 16. f4 {-3.43/21 0} Kg8 {17}
17. Bd4 {-3.54/26 0} Nf8 {0} 18. Rc2 {-3.16/15 1} Bd7 {6} 19. Qg3 {-3.05/19 1}
Qe7 {8} 20. Rd1 {-3.43/22 0} Reb8 {12} 21. Rdc1 {-3.45/17 1} Ng6 {57} 22. Qe1 {
-3.44/19 3} Qh4 {7} 23. Qd1 {-3.39/16 1} Qe7 {7} 24. Qe1 {0.00/62 1} Qd8 {8}
25. Qc3 {-3.47/16 1} b6 {26} 26. Rf1 {-3.44/18 1} Rb7 {11} 27. Rcc1 {-3.73/20 3
} Rab8 {7} 28. Rb1 {-3.68/20 1} Ne7 {88} 29. Ba6 {-3.50/18 1} Ra7 {2} 30. Be2 {
-3.64/19 0} Nc8 {9} 31. Rfc1 {-3.56/20 1} bxc5 {6} 32. Bxc5 {-3.79/23 0} Bb6 {1
} 33. Bd1 {-3.85/24 0} Bxc5 {4} 34. Qxc5 {-3.84/28 0} Qb6 {3} 35. Qxb6 {-3.70/
18 1} Rxb6 {7} 36. Rb2 {-3.75/22 1} Ne7 {13} 37. Rd2 {-3.82/25 2} Bc8 {15} 38.
h4 {-3.80/19 1} Ba6 {12} 39. Rc5 {-3.81/21 1} Bc8 {9} 40. Rc1 {0.00/52 0} Rb4 {
5} 41. Kf2 {-3.81/26 1} Kf7 {15} 42. Rc3 {-3.88/28 1} Ke8 {5} 43. Rd4 {-4.14/
22 3} Rb6 {17} 44. g4 {-3.88/19 1} fxg4 {18} 45. Bxg4 {-4.52/25 0} Nf5 {3} 46.
Rd1 {-3.94/18 0} Rab7 {25} 47. Bxf5 {-3.81/16 0} exf5 {1} 48. Rdc1 {-4.00/22 0}
Bd7 {19} 49. e6 {-4.72/28 0} Bxe6 {2} 50. Rxc6 {-4.86/26 0} Rxc6 {2} 51. Rxc6 {
-4.17/17 0} Bd7 {18} 52. Rc5 {-4.45/33 0} Rxb3 {4} 53. Rxd5 {-4.52/34 0} Rb2+ {
10} 54. Kg3 {-4.74/28 0} Rg2+ {57} 55. Kh3 {-5.79/23 0} Re2 {20} 56. Re5+ {-4.
92/16 0} Kf7 {3} 57. h5 {-5.44/24 0} Kf6 {23} 58. Kh4 {-6.23/35 0} Ra2 {0} 59.
Rd5 {-4.74/15 0} Ke7 {7} 60. Re5+ {-5.13/19 1} Kd6 {6} 61. h6 {-6.31/28 0} gxh6
{5} 62. Rxa5 {-6.76/31 0} Rxa4 {3} 63. Re5 {-7.25/28 0} Re4 {5} 64. Ra5 {-6.45/
19 0} Rxe3 {2} 65. Ra1 {-7.89/27 0} Rf3 {5} 66. Rd1+ {-9.74/25 0} Ke7 {2} 67.
Ra1 {-9.63/18 0} Rxf4+ {2} 0-1

[Event "Blitz 1m"]
[Site "Microsoft"]
[Date "2017.08.05"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Stockfish 8 64 POPCNT"]
[Black "myself, owner"]
[Result "0-1"]
[Annotator "owner"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbkqbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQ - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "90"]
[EventDate "2017.??.??"]
[TimeControl "60"]

{512MB, OWNER-PC} 1. d4 {-2.76/20 2} d5 {2} 2. c4 {-2.65/20 2} e6 {2} 3. e3 {
-2.70/20 1} f5 {2} 4. Nf3 {-2.60/17 1} Nf6 {2} 5. Bd3 {-2.78/20 2} c6 {5} 6.
O-O {-2.31/15 1} Bd6 {2} 7. b3 {-2.16/18 1} a5 {4} 8. Qc2 {-2.39/20 1} Qe7 {11}
9. Bb2 {-2.06/15 1} Ke8 {14} 10. Ne5 {-2.15/14 2} Nbd7 {16} 11. Rae1 {-2.50/19
0} Ba3 {24} 12. Bxa3 {-2.21/15 1} Qxa3 {1} 13. Nf3 {-2.44/19 4} Qd6 {20} 14.
cxd5 {-2.55/18 7} cxd5 {27} 15. Rc1 {-2.29/18 1} Ke7 {2} 16. Qb2 {-2.48/20 3}
b6 {8} 17. Ne5 {-2.95/23 0} Bb7 {4} 18. f3 {-3.22/22 1} Rac8 {10} 19. g4 {-2.
50/19 1} g6 {9} 20. g5 {-3.23/23 0} Nh5 {3} 21. f4 {-3.46/23 0} Ng7 {16} 22. h4
{-3.37/19 1} Rxc1 {41} 23. Rxc1 {-3.73/30 0} Rc8 {3} 24. Rxc8 {-3.73/28 0} Bxc8
{1} 25. Qc3 {-3.72/26 0} Bb7 {5} 26. Bb5 {-3.75/29 0} Nxe5 {22} 27. fxe5 {-3.
79/32 0} Qb8 {12} 28. Kf2 {-3.87/33 0} Qc8 {3} 29. Qxc8 {-3.87/34 1} Bxc8 {1}
30. Bd3 {-3.94/32 0} Ne8 {24} 31. a3 {-4.41/40 0} Nc7 {2} 32. Ke1 {-4.76/34 4}
Ba6 {2} 33. Bc2 {-4.49/29 1} Kf7 {16} 34. a4 {-4.49/23 1} Kg7 {6} 35. Kd2 {-5.
16/25 1} h6 {3} 36. Kc3 {-4.96/22 1} hxg5 {2} 37. hxg5 {-6.32/28 2} Be2 {11}
38. Kd2 {-6.54/26 1} Bf3 {9} 39. Bd3 {-4.75/24 0} Be4 {1} 40. Bf1 {-5.84/28 1}
Kf7 {13} 41. Kc3 {-7.42/35 0} Ke7 {7} 42. b4 {-5.08/24 0} Ne8 {12} 43. b5 {-7.
55/36 0} Ng7 {2} 44. Be2 {-9.25/28 1} Nh5 {3} 45. Bd1 {-10.62/29 1} Ng3 {2} 0-1

[/pgn]

I wonder why it took Gilden so much to overcome Komodo?

Uri Blass · Post by **Uri Blass** » Sat Aug 05, 2017 10:25 am

Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote:
Nordlandia wrote:Knight for reversed royals.

Komodo evaluation: [~2.60]

[d]rnbkqbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQ - 0 1
SF on 4 threads resists for about 50 moves or so.

[pgn][Event "Blitz 1m"]
[Site "Microsoft"]
[Date "2017.08.05"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Stockfish 8 64 POPCNT"]
[Black "myself, owner"]
[Result "0-1"]
[Annotator "owner"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbkqbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQ - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "134"]
[EventDate "2017.??.??"]
[TimeControl "60"]

{512MB, OWNER-PC} 1. d4 {-2.69/20 3} d5 {4} 2. c4 {-2.56/19 3} e6 {2} 3. e3 {
-2.46/19 0} f5 {3} 4. Be2 {-2.67/20 3} Nf6 {2} 5. Nf3 {-2.74/21 2} c6 {0} 6.
O-O {-2.30/15 2} Bd6 {2} 7. b3 {-2.37/16 1} Ke7 {2} 8. a4 {-2.51/18 2} a5 {6}
9. Bb2 {-2.52/15 1} Qd8 {11} 10. Ne5 {-2.43/14 1} Re8 {7} 11. f3 {-3.01/17 2}
Kf8 {2} 12. c5 {-3.25/18 4} Bc7 {6} 13. Rc1 {-3.38/22 0} Nbd7 {2} 14. Qe1 {-3.
10/19 1} Nxe5 {5} 15. dxe5 {-3.23/18 1} Nd7 {2} 16. f4 {-3.43/21 0} Kg8 {17}
17. Bd4 {-3.54/26 0} Nf8 {0} 18. Rc2 {-3.16/15 1} Bd7 {6} 19. Qg3 {-3.05/19 1}
Qe7 {8} 20. Rd1 {-3.43/22 0} Reb8 {12} 21. Rdc1 {-3.45/17 1} Ng6 {57} 22. Qe1 {
-3.44/19 3} Qh4 {7} 23. Qd1 {-3.39/16 1} Qe7 {7} 24. Qe1 {0.00/62 1} Qd8 {8}
25. Qc3 {-3.47/16 1} b6 {26} 26. Rf1 {-3.44/18 1} Rb7 {11} 27. Rcc1 {-3.73/20 3
} Rab8 {7} 28. Rb1 {-3.68/20 1} Ne7 {88} 29. Ba6 {-3.50/18 1} Ra7 {2} 30. Be2 {
-3.64/19 0} Nc8 {9} 31. Rfc1 {-3.56/20 1} bxc5 {6} 32. Bxc5 {-3.79/23 0} Bb6 {1
} 33. Bd1 {-3.85/24 0} Bxc5 {4} 34. Qxc5 {-3.84/28 0} Qb6 {3} 35. Qxb6 {-3.70/
18 1} Rxb6 {7} 36. Rb2 {-3.75/22 1} Ne7 {13} 37. Rd2 {-3.82/25 2} Bc8 {15} 38.
h4 {-3.80/19 1} Ba6 {12} 39. Rc5 {-3.81/21 1} Bc8 {9} 40. Rc1 {0.00/52 0} Rb4 {
5} 41. Kf2 {-3.81/26 1} Kf7 {15} 42. Rc3 {-3.88/28 1} Ke8 {5} 43. Rd4 {-4.14/
22 3} Rb6 {17} 44. g4 {-3.88/19 1} fxg4 {18} 45. Bxg4 {-4.52/25 0} Nf5 {3} 46.
Rd1 {-3.94/18 0} Rab7 {25} 47. Bxf5 {-3.81/16 0} exf5 {1} 48. Rdc1 {-4.00/22 0}
Bd7 {19} 49. e6 {-4.72/28 0} Bxe6 {2} 50. Rxc6 {-4.86/26 0} Rxc6 {2} 51. Rxc6 {
-4.17/17 0} Bd7 {18} 52. Rc5 {-4.45/33 0} Rxb3 {4} 53. Rxd5 {-4.52/34 0} Rb2+ {
10} 54. Kg3 {-4.74/28 0} Rg2+ {57} 55. Kh3 {-5.79/23 0} Re2 {20} 56. Re5+ {-4.
92/16 0} Kf7 {3} 57. h5 {-5.44/24 0} Kf6 {23} 58. Kh4 {-6.23/35 0} Ra2 {0} 59.
Rd5 {-4.74/15 0} Ke7 {7} 60. Re5+ {-5.13/19 1} Kd6 {6} 61. h6 {-6.31/28 0} gxh6
{5} 62. Rxa5 {-6.76/31 0} Rxa4 {3} 63. Re5 {-7.25/28 0} Re4 {5} 64. Ra5 {-6.45/
19 0} Rxe3 {2} 65. Ra1 {-7.89/27 0} Rf3 {5} 66. Rd1+ {-9.74/25 0} Ke7 {2} 67.
Ra1 {-9.63/18 0} Rxf4+ {2} 0-1

[Event "Blitz 1m"]
[Site "Microsoft"]
[Date "2017.08.05"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Stockfish 8 64 POPCNT"]
[Black "myself, owner"]
[Result "0-1"]
[Annotator "owner"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbkqbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQ - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "90"]
[EventDate "2017.??.??"]
[TimeControl "60"]

{512MB, OWNER-PC} 1. d4 {-2.76/20 2} d5 {2} 2. c4 {-2.65/20 2} e6 {2} 3. e3 {
-2.70/20 1} f5 {2} 4. Nf3 {-2.60/17 1} Nf6 {2} 5. Bd3 {-2.78/20 2} c6 {5} 6.
O-O {-2.31/15 1} Bd6 {2} 7. b3 {-2.16/18 1} a5 {4} 8. Qc2 {-2.39/20 1} Qe7 {11}
9. Bb2 {-2.06/15 1} Ke8 {14} 10. Ne5 {-2.15/14 2} Nbd7 {16} 11. Rae1 {-2.50/19
0} Ba3 {24} 12. Bxa3 {-2.21/15 1} Qxa3 {1} 13. Nf3 {-2.44/19 4} Qd6 {20} 14.
cxd5 {-2.55/18 7} cxd5 {27} 15. Rc1 {-2.29/18 1} Ke7 {2} 16. Qb2 {-2.48/20 3}
b6 {8} 17. Ne5 {-2.95/23 0} Bb7 {4} 18. f3 {-3.22/22 1} Rac8 {10} 19. g4 {-2.
50/19 1} g6 {9} 20. g5 {-3.23/23 0} Nh5 {3} 21. f4 {-3.46/23 0} Ng7 {16} 22. h4
{-3.37/19 1} Rxc1 {41} 23. Rxc1 {-3.73/30 0} Rc8 {3} 24. Rxc8 {-3.73/28 0} Bxc8
{1} 25. Qc3 {-3.72/26 0} Bb7 {5} 26. Bb5 {-3.75/29 0} Nxe5 {22} 27. fxe5 {-3.
79/32 0} Qb8 {12} 28. Kf2 {-3.87/33 0} Qc8 {3} 29. Qxc8 {-3.87/34 1} Bxc8 {1}
30. Bd3 {-3.94/32 0} Ne8 {24} 31. a3 {-4.41/40 0} Nc7 {2} 32. Ke1 {-4.76/34 4}
Ba6 {2} 33. Bc2 {-4.49/29 1} Kf7 {16} 34. a4 {-4.49/23 1} Kg7 {6} 35. Kd2 {-5.
16/25 1} h6 {3} 36. Kc3 {-4.96/22 1} hxg5 {2} 37. hxg5 {-6.32/28 2} Be2 {11}
38. Kd2 {-6.54/26 1} Bf3 {9} 39. Bd3 {-4.75/24 0} Be4 {1} 40. Bf1 {-5.84/28 1}
Kf7 {13} 41. Kc3 {-7.42/35 0} Ke7 {7} 42. b4 {-5.08/24 0} Ne8 {12} 43. b5 {-7.
55/36 0} Ng7 {2} 44. Be2 {-9.25/28 1} Nh5 {3} 45. Bd1 {-10.62/29 1} Ng3 {2} 0-1

[/pgn]

I wonder why it took Gilden so much to overcome Komodo?

Maybe because komodo is not stockfish.
Stockfish trade too many pieces against you.

Guenther · Post by **Guenther** » Sat Aug 05, 2017 10:48 am

Uri Blass wrote: Maybe because komodo is not stockfish.
Stockfish trade too many pieces against you.

and no time odds and a different tc anyway...

Jesse Gersenson · Post by **Jesse Gersenson** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 2:33 am

JJJ wrote:So let's start a 3 pawn handicap for 2000 elo player

I expect that would be a very one-sided match which Komodo would win.

Lyudmil Tsvetkov · Post by **Lyudmil Tsvetkov** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 9:15 am

winning at single pawn odds(move + f7 pawn removed in this case) is not that easy, but the handicap-taker should be able to draw, at least by repetition, the great majority of games.

SF seems to be repeatable as early as move 10.

[pgn][Event "Blitz 1m"]
[Site "Microsoft"]
[Date "2017.08.06"]
[Round "?"]
[White "myself, owner"]
[Black "Stockfish 8 64 POPCNT"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[Annotator "owner"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/ppppp1pp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "22"]
[EventDate "2017.??.??"]
[TimeControl "60"]

{512MB, OWNER-PC} 1. e4 {0} e6 {1.78/18 3} 2. d4 {8} d5 {1.51/16 1} 3. e5 {7}
c5 {1.35/17 1} 4. c3 {2} Nc6 {1.41/19 1} 5. Nf3 {11} Nge7 {1.25/19 1} 6. Bd3 {6
} cxd4 {1.39/22 0} 7. cxd4 {2} Nb4 {1.54/22 2} 8. Be2 {12} Nbc6 {1.66/25 0} 9.
Bd3 {4} Nb4 {0.00/34 1} 10. Be2 {2} Nbc6 {0.00/42 0} 11. Bd3 {2} Nb4 {0.00/37 1
} 1/2-1/2

[Event "Blitz 1m"]
[Site "Microsoft"]
[Date "2017.08.06"]
[Round "?"]
[White "myself, owner"]
[Black "Stockfish 8 64 POPCNT"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[Annotator "owner"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/ppppp1pp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "62"]
[EventDate "2017.??.??"]
[TimeControl "60"]

{512MB, OWNER-PC} 1. d4 {0} d5 {1.47/18 3} 2. Nf3 {2} Bf5 {1.53/18 4} 3. Bf4 {2
} e6 {1.27/18 1} 4. e3 {2} Bd6 {1.35/20 0} 5. Bd3 {21} Ne7 {1.38/25 0} 6. O-O {
4} O-O {1.36/22 0} 7. Bxd6 {23} cxd6 {1.38/20 1} 8. c4 {2} dxc4 {1.25/18 1} 9.
Bxc4 {2} Nbc6 {1.37/20 0} 10. Nc3 {9} d5 {1.32/24 0} 11. Bd3 {3} Bxd3 {1.24/17
1} 12. Qxd3 {2} Nf5 {1.27/20 0} 13. a3 {16} Nh4 {1.35/20 3} 14. Nxh4 {3} Qxh4 {
1.29/22 0} 15. f4 {6} Rad8 {1.15/16 1} 16. Rac1 {17} Rc8 {1.18/19 2} 17. Nb5 {
26} Qd8 {0.94/17 1} 18. Rc2 {22} Qd7 {1.11/26 0} 19. Rfc1 {3} Rfd8 {1.16/25 0}
20. b4 {14} a6 {0.94/21 2} 21. Nc3 {3} Na7 {1.14/22 1} 22. Ne2 {14} Nb5 {0.63/
17 1} 23. Rxc8 {27} Rxc8 {0.53/24 3} 24. Rxc8+ {1} Qxc8 {0.43/25 0} 25. a4 {9}
Nd6 {0.46/25 0} 26. Qc3 {7} Nc4 {0.45/27 0} 27. a5 {15} Qc6 {0.35/27 0} 28. Qb3
{0} Nd2 {0.00/23 2} 29. Qc3 {3} Nc4 {0.00/42 1} 30. Qb3 {1} Nd2 {0.00/35 3} 31.
Qc3 {1} Nc4 {0.00/46 1} 1/2-1/2

[/pgn]

Lyudmil Tsvetkov · Post by **Lyudmil Tsvetkov** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 10:25 am

removing other pawns(as d7 black below) seemingly makes no distinction.

draw is easily achievable.

[pgn][Event "Blitz 1m"]
[Site "Microsoft"]
[Date "2017.08.06"]
[Round "?"]
[White "myself, owner"]
[Black "Stockfish 8 64 POPCNT"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[Annotator "owner"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/ppp1pppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "52"]
[EventDate "2017.??.??"]
[TimeControl "60"]

{512MB, OWNER-PC} 1. d4 {0} e5 {0.97/18 2} 2. dxe5 {2} Qxd1+ {0.76/16 1} 3.
Kxd1 {1} Nc6 {1.14/19 4} 4. Nf3 {4} f6 {1.09/18 1} 5. exf6 {6} Nxf6 {1.32/21 0}
6. c3 {19} Bf5 {0.87/16 1} 7. Bf4 {22} O-O-O+ {1.22/17 4} 8. Ke1 {2} Nd5 {1.06/
18 4} 9. Bg3 {11} Ndb4 {1.00/19 0} 10. Na3 {15} Bc5 {1.39/22 0} 11. e3 {8} Nd3+
{0.91/21 1} 12. Bxd3 {3} Bxd3 {0.85/25 0} 13. Rd1 {14} Bxa3 {0.81/22 1} 14.
bxa3 {2} Bc4 {0.73/20 0} 15. Ne5 {22} Rxd1+ {0.62/19 1} 16. Kxd1 {2} Rd8+ {0.
53/23 0} 17. Kc1 {4} Nxe5 {0.49/22 1} 18. Bxe5 {1} Rd5 {0.61/23 0} 19. f4 {22}
Ra5 {0.41/21 1} 20. Bxg7 {24} Rxa3 {0.00/25 1} 21. Rd1 {9} Rxa2 {0.00/35 0} 22.
Bf6 {18} Ra1+ {0.00/28 1} 23. Kd2 {3} Ra2+ {0.00/34 0} 24. Kc1 {2} Ra1+ {0.00/
32 1} 25. Kd2 {1} Ra2+ {0.00/36 1} 26. Kc1 {1} Ra1+ {0.00/35 5} 1/2-1/2

[Event "Blitz 1m"]
[Site "Microsoft"]
[Date "2017.08.06"]
[Round "?"]
[White "myself, owner"]
[Black "Stockfish 8 64 POPCNT"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[Annotator "owner"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/ppp1pppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "64"]
[EventDate "2017.??.??"]
[TimeControl "60"]

{512MB, OWNER-PC} 1. e4 {0} e5 {1.30/18 2} 2. Nf3 {2} Nf6 {1.34/19 1} 3. Nxe5 {
2} Bd6 {1.05/16 1} 4. Nf3 {3} Nxe4 {1.07/18 1} 5. d4 {3} O-O {1.04/23 5} 6. Bd3
{2} Nf6 {0.87/20 5} 7. O-O {3} c5 {0.85/22 0} 8. dxc5 {4} Bxc5 {0.90/21 0} 9.
Nc3 {3} Nc6 {0.99/21 0} 10. Ne4 {12} Nxe4 {0.81/18 1} 11. Bxe4 {1} h6 {0.87/20
2} 12. c3 {10} Be6 {0.84/19 1} 13. Qxd8 {11} Rfxd8 {0.82/20 1} 14. Be3 {8} Bxe3
{0.62/23 3} 15. fxe3 {1} Bc4 {0.64/20 0} 16. Rfd1 {3} Rxd1+ {0.66/22 1} 17.
Rxd1 {3} Bxa2 {0.57/23 0} 18. Nd4 {24} Rd8 {0.69/21 3} 19. Ra1 {6} Bd5 {0.58/
24 1} 20. Bxd5 {11} Rxd5 {0.57/30 0} 21. Nxc6 {2} bxc6 {0.41/26 1} 22. Rxa7 {1}
Rd1+ {0.41/27 0} 23. Kf2 {4} Rd2+ {0.47/28 0} 24. Kf3 {2} Rxb2 {0.45/28 0} 25.
Ra6 {21} g5 {0.35/34 0} 26. h3 {0} f6 {0.26/35 2} 27. Rxc6 {10} Kf7 {0.35/32 0}
28. g4 {12} Rh2 {0.05/22 1} 29. Kg3 {1} Re2 {0.00/29 1} 30. Kf3 {1} Rh2 {0.00/
46 1} 31. Kg3 {1} Re2 {0.00/50 1} 32. Kf3 {1} Rh2 {0.00/49 1} 1/2-1/2

[/pgn]

of course, I could have tried winning some of the games, but that involves risks, especially at STC, so repeating is always an option.

seemingly, one pawn handicap is bigger than 2 pawns handicap.

Guenther · Post by **Guenther** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 10:31 am

Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote:winning at single pawn odds(move + f7 pawn removed in this case) is not that easy, but the handicap-taker should be able to draw, at least by repetition, the great majority of games.

SF seems to be repeatable as early as move 10.

Of course you have to change the contempt before the game...

Guenther · Post by **Guenther** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 10:35 am

Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote:removing other pawns(as d7 black below) seemingly makes no distinction.

draw is easily achievable.

[pgn][Event "Blitz 1m"]
[Site "Microsoft"]
[Date "2017.08.06"]
[Round "?"]
[White "myself, owner"]
[Black "Stockfish 8 64 POPCNT"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[Annotator "owner"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/ppp1pppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "52"]
[EventDate "2017.??.??"]
[TimeControl "60"]

{512MB, OWNER-PC} 1. d4 {0} e5 {0.97/18 2} 2. dxe5 {2} Qxd1+ {0.76/16 1} 3.
Kxd1 {1} Nc6 {1.14/19 4} 4. Nf3 {4} f6 {1.09/18 1} 5. exf6 {6} Nxf6 {1.32/21 0}
6. c3 {19} Bf5 {0.87/16 1} 7. Bf4 {22} O-O-O+ {1.22/17 4} 8. Ke1 {2} Nd5 {1.06/
18 4} 9. Bg3 {11} Ndb4 {1.00/19 0} 10. Na3 {15} Bc5 {1.39/22 0} 11. e3 {8} Nd3+
{0.91/21 1} 12. Bxd3 {3} Bxd3 {0.85/25 0} 13. Rd1 {14} Bxa3 {0.81/22 1} 14.
bxa3 {2} Bc4 {0.73/20 0} 15. Ne5 {22} Rxd1+ {0.62/19 1} 16. Kxd1 {2} Rd8+ {0.
53/23 0} 17. Kc1 {4} Nxe5 {0.49/22 1} 18. Bxe5 {1} Rd5 {0.61/23 0} 19. f4 {22}
Ra5 {0.41/21 1} 20. Bxg7 {24} Rxa3 {0.00/25 1} 21. Rd1 {9} Rxa2 {0.00/35 0} 22.
Bf6 {18} Ra1+ {0.00/28 1} 23. Kd2 {3} Ra2+ {0.00/34 0} 24. Kc1 {2} Ra1+ {0.00/
32 1} 25. Kd2 {1} Ra2+ {0.00/36 1} 26. Kc1 {1} Ra1+ {0.00/35 5} 1/2-1/2

[Event "Blitz 1m"]
[Site "Microsoft"]
[Date "2017.08.06"]
[Round "?"]
[White "myself, owner"]
[Black "Stockfish 8 64 POPCNT"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[Annotator "owner"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/ppp1pppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "64"]
[EventDate "2017.??.??"]
[TimeControl "60"]

{512MB, OWNER-PC} 1. e4 {0} e5 {1.30/18 2} 2. Nf3 {2} Nf6 {1.34/19 1} 3. Nxe5 {
2} Bd6 {1.05/16 1} 4. Nf3 {3} Nxe4 {1.07/18 1} 5. d4 {3} O-O {1.04/23 5} 6. Bd3
{2} Nf6 {0.87/20 5} 7. O-O {3} c5 {0.85/22 0} 8. dxc5 {4} Bxc5 {0.90/21 0} 9.
Nc3 {3} Nc6 {0.99/21 0} 10. Ne4 {12} Nxe4 {0.81/18 1} 11. Bxe4 {1} h6 {0.87/20
2} 12. c3 {10} Be6 {0.84/19 1} 13. Qxd8 {11} Rfxd8 {0.82/20 1} 14. Be3 {8} Bxe3
{0.62/23 3} 15. fxe3 {1} Bc4 {0.64/20 0} 16. Rfd1 {3} Rxd1+ {0.66/22 1} 17.
Rxd1 {3} Bxa2 {0.57/23 0} 18. Nd4 {24} Rd8 {0.69/21 3} 19. Ra1 {6} Bd5 {0.58/
24 1} 20. Bxd5 {11} Rxd5 {0.57/30 0} 21. Nxc6 {2} bxc6 {0.41/26 1} 22. Rxa7 {1}
Rd1+ {0.41/27 0} 23. Kf2 {4} Rd2+ {0.47/28 0} 24. Kf3 {2} Rxb2 {0.45/28 0} 25.
Ra6 {21} g5 {0.35/34 0} 26. h3 {0} f6 {0.26/35 2} 27. Rxc6 {10} Kf7 {0.35/32 0}
28. g4 {12} Rh2 {0.05/22 1} 29. Kg3 {1} Re2 {0.00/29 1} 30. Kf3 {1} Rh2 {0.00/
46 1} 31. Kg3 {1} Re2 {0.00/50 1} 32. Kf3 {1} Rh2 {0.00/49 1} 1/2-1/2

[/pgn]

of course, I could have tried winning some of the games, but that involves risks, especially at STC, so repeating is always an option.

seemingly, one pawn handicap is bigger than 2 pawns handicap.

I don't understand why you always have to 'fake' the pgn?
Ok you said already often enough that you simply overstep the tc, but why not play a real game with real conditions, which vcan be verified?
In that game you lost on time while thinking on move 15...

Lyudmil Tsvetkov · Post by **Lyudmil Tsvetkov** » Sun Aug 06, 2017 11:57 am

Guenther wrote:
Lyudmil Tsvetkov wrote:removing other pawns(as d7 black below) seemingly makes no distinction.

draw is easily achievable.

[pgn][Event "Blitz 1m"]
[Site "Microsoft"]
[Date "2017.08.06"]
[Round "?"]
[White "myself, owner"]
[Black "Stockfish 8 64 POPCNT"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[Annotator "owner"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/ppp1pppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "52"]
[EventDate "2017.??.??"]
[TimeControl "60"]

{512MB, OWNER-PC} 1. d4 {0} e5 {0.97/18 2} 2. dxe5 {2} Qxd1+ {0.76/16 1} 3.
Kxd1 {1} Nc6 {1.14/19 4} 4. Nf3 {4} f6 {1.09/18 1} 5. exf6 {6} Nxf6 {1.32/21 0}
6. c3 {19} Bf5 {0.87/16 1} 7. Bf4 {22} O-O-O+ {1.22/17 4} 8. Ke1 {2} Nd5 {1.06/
18 4} 9. Bg3 {11} Ndb4 {1.00/19 0} 10. Na3 {15} Bc5 {1.39/22 0} 11. e3 {8} Nd3+
{0.91/21 1} 12. Bxd3 {3} Bxd3 {0.85/25 0} 13. Rd1 {14} Bxa3 {0.81/22 1} 14.
bxa3 {2} Bc4 {0.73/20 0} 15. Ne5 {22} Rxd1+ {0.62/19 1} 16. Kxd1 {2} Rd8+ {0.
53/23 0} 17. Kc1 {4} Nxe5 {0.49/22 1} 18. Bxe5 {1} Rd5 {0.61/23 0} 19. f4 {22}
Ra5 {0.41/21 1} 20. Bxg7 {24} Rxa3 {0.00/25 1} 21. Rd1 {9} Rxa2 {0.00/35 0} 22.
Bf6 {18} Ra1+ {0.00/28 1} 23. Kd2 {3} Ra2+ {0.00/34 0} 24. Kc1 {2} Ra1+ {0.00/
32 1} 25. Kd2 {1} Ra2+ {0.00/36 1} 26. Kc1 {1} Ra1+ {0.00/35 5} 1/2-1/2

[Event "Blitz 1m"]
[Site "Microsoft"]
[Date "2017.08.06"]
[Round "?"]
[White "myself, owner"]
[Black "Stockfish 8 64 POPCNT"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[Annotator "owner"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/ppp1pppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "64"]
[EventDate "2017.??.??"]
[TimeControl "60"]

{512MB, OWNER-PC} 1. e4 {0} e5 {1.30/18 2} 2. Nf3 {2} Nf6 {1.34/19 1} 3. Nxe5 {
2} Bd6 {1.05/16 1} 4. Nf3 {3} Nxe4 {1.07/18 1} 5. d4 {3} O-O {1.04/23 5} 6. Bd3
{2} Nf6 {0.87/20 5} 7. O-O {3} c5 {0.85/22 0} 8. dxc5 {4} Bxc5 {0.90/21 0} 9.
Nc3 {3} Nc6 {0.99/21 0} 10. Ne4 {12} Nxe4 {0.81/18 1} 11. Bxe4 {1} h6 {0.87/20
2} 12. c3 {10} Be6 {0.84/19 1} 13. Qxd8 {11} Rfxd8 {0.82/20 1} 14. Be3 {8} Bxe3
{0.62/23 3} 15. fxe3 {1} Bc4 {0.64/20 0} 16. Rfd1 {3} Rxd1+ {0.66/22 1} 17.
Rxd1 {3} Bxa2 {0.57/23 0} 18. Nd4 {24} Rd8 {0.69/21 3} 19. Ra1 {6} Bd5 {0.58/
24 1} 20. Bxd5 {11} Rxd5 {0.57/30 0} 21. Nxc6 {2} bxc6 {0.41/26 1} 22. Rxa7 {1}
Rd1+ {0.41/27 0} 23. Kf2 {4} Rd2+ {0.47/28 0} 24. Kf3 {2} Rxb2 {0.45/28 0} 25.
Ra6 {21} g5 {0.35/34 0} 26. h3 {0} f6 {0.26/35 2} 27. Rxc6 {10} Kf7 {0.35/32 0}
28. g4 {12} Rh2 {0.05/22 1} 29. Kg3 {1} Re2 {0.00/29 1} 30. Kf3 {1} Rh2 {0.00/
46 1} 31. Kg3 {1} Re2 {0.00/50 1} 32. Kf3 {1} Rh2 {0.00/49 1} 1/2-1/2

[/pgn]

of course, I could have tried winning some of the games, but that involves risks, especially at STC, so repeating is always an option.

seemingly, one pawn handicap is bigger than 2 pawns handicap.
I don't understand why you always have to 'fake' the pgn?
Ok you said already often enough that you simply overstep the tc, but why not play a real game with real conditions, which vcan be verified?
In that game you lost on time while thinking on move 15...

what do you mean fake?
overstepping the TC at move 15 with 1 min. for the entire game is not that bad, as this would mean I have spent some 4 secs. on average per move, which should not be very long thinking when you are playing SF at bullet.

I simply don't have time for longer games.

but the longer the TC, human chances only improve.

Can Komodo give knight odds in standard chess to a master?

How will Komodo score against FM Gilden?

Re: Can Komodo give knight odds in standard chess to a maste

Re: Can Komodo give knight odds in standard chess to a maste

Re: Can Komodo give knight odds in standard chess to a maste

Re: Can Komodo give knight odds in standard chess to a maste

Re: Can Komodo give knight odds in standard chess to a maste

Re: Can Komodo give knight odds in standard chess to a maste

Re: Can Komodo give knight odds in standard chess to a maste

Re: Can Komodo give knight odds in standard chess to a maste

Re: Can Komodo give knight odds in standard chess to a maste

Re: Can Komodo give knight odds in standard chess to a maste