George Tsavdaris wrote: ↑Fri Aug 31, 2018 1:54 pm
I will have to test these 111xx and 112xx nets myself to see, but with so many nets i have to be careful what to choose. Since from net to e.g net+5 big deviations may happen.
Till now i had for CCRL 40/4 performance for the same guanlet:
Lc0v16 Test10 10520 after 100 games had 3480±48 CCRL 40/4 Elo
Lc0v16 Test10 10800 after 100 games had 3397±44 CCRL 40/4 Elo
Lc0v16 Test10 10815 after 100 games had 3489±53 CCRL 40/4 Elo
Lc0v17 Test10 11089 after 100 games had 3460±46 CCRL 40/4 Elo
I tested LTC
3600'' + 36'' games from standard opening position in two games (side and reversed) the Lco ID11199 on GTX 1060 against SF8 on 1 core. They are about equal at 120'' + 2''. The result was one draw as White for Lc0 and one loss as Black. As White, it seems Lc0 missed a possible win, in middlegame and endgame. Generally, after 30+ million trainings games, endgames are still very bad, as I will exemplify. First, 2 LCT games:
[pgn][Event "My Tournament"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2018.08.31"]
[Round "1"]
[White "lc0_v17 11199"]
[Black "SF 8"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[GameDuration "04:16:34"]
[GameEndTime "2018-08-31T19:55:34.614 GTB Daylight Time"]
[GameStartTime "2018-08-31T15:39:00.208 GTB Daylight Time"]
[PlyCount "231"]
[SetUp "1"]
[Termination "adjudication"]
[TimeControl "3600+36"]
1. d4 {+0.21/10 125s} Nf6 {-0.28/31 149s} 2. c4 {+0.21/12 79s}
e6 {-0.06/30 213s} 3. Nf3 {+0.21/12 161s} b6 {-0.15/30 127s}
4. g3 {+0.30/12 103s} Ba6 {-0.14/28 63s} 5. b3 {+0.31/14 57s} Bb7 {-0.03/28 72s}
6. Bg2 {+0.38/11 97s} Bb4+ {-0.12/27 25s} 7. Bd2 {+0.36/12 48s}
a5 {-0.14/30 145s} 8. O-O {+0.35/10 70s} O-O {-0.30/27 34s}
9. Bf4 {+0.35/12 102s} a4 {-0.05/30 51s} 10. bxa4 {+0.36/15 69s}
d6 {-0.07/32 82s} 11. Qb3 {+0.51/11 100s} Ba5 {-0.20/29 15s}
12. Na3 {+0.73/9 99s} Nbd7 {-0.12/29 112s} 13. Rfd1 {+0.77/9 164s}
Qb8 {-0.39/32 484s} 14. Qb2 {+0.75/10 154s} Nh5 {-0.42/28 117s}
15. Be3 {+0.76/10 96s} Nhf6 {-0.43/29 75s} 16. Bf4 {+0.75/11 176s}
Nh5 {0.00/40 52s} 17. Be3 {+0.74/12 66s} Nhf6 {0.00/50 78s}
18. Nb5 {+0.74/11 102s} c6 {-0.35/31 506s} 19. Na3 {+0.84/11 89s}
Rc8 {-0.49/31 148s} 20. Rac1 {+0.95/10 158s} h6 {-0.59/30 369s}
21. Bf4 {+0.92/13 128s} Nh5 {-0.17/30 72s} 22. Be3 {+0.92/12 31s}
Nhf6 {0.00/51 43s} 23. h3 {+0.96/11 120s} Ra6 {-0.58/30 365s}
24. Nh2 {+1.37/11 96s} Qa8 {-0.79/30 295s} 25. Ng4 {+1.51/13 92s}
d5 {-0.61/28 32s} 26. Ne5 {+1.63/12 108s} Rd8 {-0.91/26 15s}
27. cxd5 {+1.70/15 113s} exd5 {-0.98/29 142s} 28. Bf4 {+1.67/17 53s}
Ra7 {-1.07/30 192s} 29. Nc2 {+1.64/15 23s} Nh5 {-1.37/30 119s}
30. Bd2 {+1.77/16 133s} Bxd2 {-1.32/30 66s} 31. Rxd2 {+2.17/16 81s}
Nhf6 {-1.43/27 14s} 32. Ne3 {+2.04/22 51s} g6 {-1.37/30 89s}
33. Rdc2 {+2.14/21 39s} c5 {-1.40/32 102s} 34. N3g4 {+2.39/19 84s}
Nxg4 {-1.54/30 12s} 35. Nxg4 {+2.38/28 38s} c4 {-1.39/31 28s}
36. Nxh6+ {+2.50/25 21s} Kg7 {-1.38/30 25s} 37. Ng4 {+2.60/17 16s}
Rxa4 {-1.63/32 202s} 38. e4 {+2.61/22 0.30s} Qa5 {-1.10/31 57s}
39. exd5 {+2.45/21 86s} Nf6 {-1.05/28 6.8s} 40. Nxf6 {+2.44/23 45s}
Kxf6 {-0.90/32 24s} 41. d6 {+2.47/22 13s} Bd5 {-0.88/31 12s}
42. Bxd5 {+2.47/20 8.3s} Qxd5 {-0.89/35 62s} 43. Qxb6 {+2.47/18 8.0s}
Rxd6 {-1.22/32 22s} 44. Qb8 {+2.48/17 10s} Rd8 {-1.11/33 50s}
45. Qc7 {+2.50/16 31s} Kg7 {-1.14/35 94s} 46. Qe5+ {+2.49/14 17s}
Kg8 {-1.14/35 8.5s} 47. Qxd5 {+2.51/14 58s} Rxd5 {-1.37/33 102s}
48. Rd1 {+2.52/15 16s} Kg7 {-1.08/29 49s} 49. Kg2 {+2.69/10 104s}
Kf6 {-0.98/31 48s} 50. Re2 {+2.73/10 65s} g5 {-0.97/35 92s}
51. Rdd2 {+2.87/9 83s} Ra6 {-1.10/35 40s} 52. Kf3 {+2.93/11 122s}
Rf5+ {-0.87/29 23s} 53. Kg4 {+3.20/11 92s} Rd5 {-0.98/29 8.7s}
54. Re3 {+3.17/13 66s} Rad6 {-0.95/33 26s} 55. Rf3+ {+3.50/16 92s}
Kg6 {-0.95/34 7.3s} 56. Rc3 {+3.53/23 79s} Rxd4+ {-1.39/37 66s}
57. Rxd4 {+3.41/18 11s} Rxd4+ {-1.39/38 10s} 58. Kf3 {+3.38/18 2.9s}
Kf6 {-1.47/39 102s} 59. a4 {+3.01/18 89s} Kf5 {-0.96/35 20s}
60. Ke2 {+2.22/15 184s} Ke6 {-0.96/37 31s} 61. Ke3 {+2.21/18 51s}
Ke5 {-0.96/37 5.2s} 62. Ke2 {+2.19/19 40s} Ke6 {0.00/56 18s}
63. Re3+ {+2.13/16 130s} Kd6 {-0.58/37 60s} 64. a5 {+2.13/18 22s}
Rd5 {-0.68/34 6.9s} 65. Ra3 {+2.12/17 14s} c3 {-0.58/38 20s}
66. Rxc3 {+2.11/15 13s} Rxa5 {-0.58/35 9.5s} 67. Re3 {+2.11/14 14s}
Ra4 {-0.58/48 35s} 68. Kf3 {+2.13/11 94s} Kd5 {-0.57/45 8.2s}
69. Re1 {+2.09/9 204s} f6 {-0.57/48 35s} 70. Re2 {+2.03/10 186s}
Rc4 {-0.57/52 38s} 71. Re3 {+1.99/9 179s} Ra4 {-0.57/53 38s}
72. Re1 {+1.94/10 137s} Rc4 {-0.57/52 34s} 73. Re2 {+1.94/9 139s}
Ra4 {-0.57/55 35s} 74. Kg2 {+1.93/9 115s} Kd6 {-0.57/54 39s}
75. Re3 {+1.93/9 102s} Kd5 {-0.57/53 11s} 76. Re8 {+1.91/9 84s}
Rc4 {-0.57/50 34s} 77. Re7 {+1.88/8 121s} Kd6 {-0.57/51 39s}
78. Re3 {+1.89/8 62s} Ra4 {-0.57/52 50s} 79. Re8 {+1.86/8 71s}
Kd5 {-0.57/52 35s} 80. Kf3 {+1.83/8 33s} Rb4 {-0.57/52 14s}
81. Re7 {+1.77/8 31s} Rc4 {-0.57/47 47s} 82. Re1 {+1.73/8 39s}
Ra4 {0.00/75 161s} 83. Re3 {+1.72/8 44s} Rc4 {-0.57/53 63s}
84. Re7 {+1.69/8 36s} Rb4 {-0.53/43 21s} 85. Kg2 {+1.75/8 26s}
Ra4 {-0.50/39 5.6s} 86. Re3 {+1.73/8 34s} Kd6 {0.00/65 96s}
87. Re1 {+1.66/8 49s} Kd5 {-0.47/47 47s} 88. Re7 {+1.70/8 19s}
Kd6 {-0.47/44 26s} 89. Re2 {+1.65/8 39s} Kd5 {-0.47/37 4.8s}
90. Re1 {+1.65/8 31s} Rc4 {-0.43/44 26s} 91. Kh2 {+1.64/8 49s}
Rc2 {-0.41/42 30s} 92. Kg2 {+1.65/9 29s} Rc4 {0.00/70 32s} 93. Re3 {+1.60/9 20s}
Ra4 {0.00/68 89s} 94. Kf3 {+1.59/10 58s} Rc4 {0.00/67 40s}
95. g4 {+1.60/10 7.4s} Rc1 {-0.33/44 42s} 96. Kg2 {+1.57/9 41s}
Kd6 {-0.29/41 36s} 97. Kg3 {+1.56/8 49s} Rg1+ {-0.28/42 21s}
98. Kh2 {+1.51/8 23s} Rf1 {-0.27/38 5.7s} 99. Re2 {+1.57/8 36s}
Ra1 {-0.26/42 25s} 100. Kg2 {+1.55/8 62s} Kd5 {-0.26/43 32s}
101. Re3 {+1.57/7 31s} Kd6 {-0.26/42 28s} 102. Re4 {+1.53/8 43s}
Kd5 {-0.26/46 32s} 103. f3 {+1.53/7 37s} Kd6 {-0.29/42 91s}
104. Re3 {+1.50/8 33s} Rc1 {-0.29/42 26s} 105. Re2 {+1.46/8 36s}
Rc3 {-0.29/44 5.5s} 106. Kf2 {+1.50/8 21s} Rc1 {-0.29/42 34s}
107. Re4 {+1.45/8 45s} Rh1 {-0.26/40 27s} 108. Kg3 {+1.43/10 31s}
Rg1+ {-0.29/49 39s} 109. Kh2 {+1.39/9 17s} Rf1 {-0.29/43 76s}
110. Kg2 {+1.39/9 60s} Ra1 {0.00/47 18s} 111. Re2 {+1.41/8 23s}
Ra3 {-0.29/49 52s} 112. Kf2 {+1.49/8 27s} Rc3 {-0.29/45 28s}
113. Re4 {+1.45/9 66s} Kd5 {-0.29/46 35s} 114. Re7 {+1.48/8 37s}
Kd6 {-0.29/45 25s} 115. Re3 {+1.46/8 35s} Rc1 {-0.29/45 36s}
116. Kg2 {+1.38/8 28s, Draw by adjudication: user decision} 1/2-1/2[/pgn]
I adjudicated it as an obvious draw, avoiding maybe 2 hours of shuffling then exchanging a pawn. Lc0 shows at some times +3.50 advantage, and even SF8 had shown in middle game 1.60 advantage for Lc0, but Lc0 failed to convert, mostly in endgame.
The reverse game was a clear win of SF8:
[pgn]
[Event "My Tournament"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2018.08.31"]
[Round "2"]
[White "SF 8"]
[Black "lc0_v17 11199"]
[Result "1-0"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[GameDuration "03:22:14"]
[GameEndTime "2018-08-31T23:17:49.064 GTB Daylight Time"]
[GameStartTime "2018-08-31T19:55:34.620 GTB Daylight Time"]
[PlyCount "157"]
[SetUp "1"]
[TimeControl "3600+36"]
1. d4 {+0.13/30 140s} Nf6 {-0.19/11 110s} 2. Nf3 {+0.10/30 163s}
d5 {-0.18/12 166s} 3. c4 {+0.22/29 56s} e6 {-0.19/13 42s} 4. Nc3 {+0.11/28 33s}
Be7 {-0.21/12 54s} 5. Bf4 {+0.21/30 84s} O-O {-0.20/13 83s} 6. e3 {+0.21/31 68s}
Nbd7 {-0.25/14 62s} 7. cxd5 {+0.24/33 186s} Nxd5 {-0.17/13 94s}
8. Nxd5 {+0.07/32 134s} exd5 {-0.19/12 43s} 9. a3 {+0.09/33 173s}
Re8 {-0.17/13 75s} 10. b4 {0.00/33 148s} a5 {+0.08/14 103s} 11. b5 {0.00/35 74s}
c5 {+0.13/15 87s} 12. bxc6 {0.00/33 82s} bxc6 {+0.12/12 23s}
13. Be2 {0.00/36 132s} a4 {+0.11/13 151s} 14. O-O {0.00/34 78s}
Ba6 {+0.12/13 54s} 15. Bxa6 {0.00/33 23s} Rxa6 {+0.11/11 23s}
16. Qd3 {0.00/35 71s} Qa8 {+0.10/11 69s} 17. Qf5 {0.00/33 102s}
Qc8 {+0.15/11 94s} 18. Rfc1 {+0.10/30 58s} h6 {+0.17/11 191s}
19. h3 {0.00/35 227s} Bf8 {+0.15/13 58s} 20. Qd3 {0.00/36 78s}
Qa8 {+0.13/14 64s} 21. Rab1 {0.00/37 93s} c5 {+0.23/16 190s}
22. Qb5 {0.00/36 90s} Nb6 {+0.30/22 102s} 23. dxc5 {0.00/34 89s}
Nc4 {+0.23/26 54s} 24. Rxc4 {0.00/35 21s} dxc4 {+0.22/19 1.7s}
25. Qxc4 {0.00/38 78s} Rc8 {+0.22/15 0.72s} 26. Ne5 {0.00/39 47s}
Re6 {+0.22/16 0.43s} 27. Nd7 {0.00/40 133s} Be7 {+0.24/15 12s}
28. Nb6 {+0.07/37 75s} Qb7 {+0.08/14 106s} 29. Qf1 {0.00/36 25s}
Rd8 {-0.02/15 157s} 30. Nc4 {+0.56/31 69s} Qd5 {-0.11/14 84s}
31. Bc7 {+0.79/33 57s} Re8 {-0.19/14 112s} 32. Bd6 {+0.82/33 119s}
Rg6 {-0.30/14 216s} 33. Rb2 {+0.71/34 258s} Qe6 {-0.19/14 124s}
34. Kh2 {+0.67/36 114s} Bxd6+ {-0.37/12 156s} 35. cxd6 {+1.10/32 71s}
Rg5 {-0.46/13 56s} 36. Rb4 {+1.02/31 18s} Rc5 {-0.34/11 137s}
37. Qd3 {+0.90/35 135s} Rd5 {-0.45/12 60s} 38. Qe2 {+0.83/37 99s}
Rc5 {-0.27/16 88s} 39. Rxa4 {+0.83/35 15s} Rec8 {-0.05/15 106s}
40. Qd3 {+0.83/39 94s} Rd5 {-0.33/12 92s} 41. Qb1 {+0.83/39 27s}
Rdc5 {-0.42/14 28s} 42. Qb3 {+0.83/43 73s} h5 {-0.82/14 141s}
43. Rb4 {+1.33/29 58s} h4 {-0.52/18 96s} 44. a4 {+1.46/33 45s}
Qf5 {-1.10/17 109s} 45. f3 {+1.60/33 101s} Qg5 {-0.79/15 110s}
46. Qd1 {+1.58/35 105s} g6 {-0.74/24 58s} 47. Qf1 {+1.60/36 283s}
Qf6 {-1.05/16 118s} 48. Qd3 {+1.29/38 128s} Qg5 {-1.07/19 85s}
49. Kh1 {+1.54/35 212s} Qg3 {-1.13/21 58s} 50. Qf1 {+1.40/35 87s}
Qg5 {-1.17/16 15s} 51. Qd1 {+1.44/35 87s} Rd5 {-1.39/16 123s}
52. Qe1 {+1.12/37 125s} Rdc5 {-1.43/13 99s} 53. d7 {+1.22/35 76s}
Rd8 {-1.57/13 41s} 54. Nb6 {+1.31/34 26s} Rc2 {-1.62/12 28s}
55. Qg1 {+1.35/32 10s} Ra2 {-1.82/11 185s} 56. Rc4 {+2.15/32 32s}
Rd2 {-2.59/10 110s} 57. e4 {+2.56/29 34s} f6 {-3.46/11 136s}
58. Rc5 {+3.90/29 35s} f5 {-4.06/16 70s} 59. a5 {+5.27/28 37s}
Kh7 {-4.37/18 44s} 60. a6 {+6.38/29 61s} Ra2 {-4.58/19 33s}
61. Re5 {+6.68/29 13s} Re2 {-4.94/12 106s} 62. Ra5 {+7.81/30 29s}
Qg3 {-5.64/12 120s} 63. Ra1 {+10.75/28 33s} fxe4 {-5.93/12 35s}
64. fxe4 {+11.23/27 9.0s} Qe5 {-6.31/12 56s} 65. a7 {+18.30/27 29s}
Rxg2 {-9.50/11 80s} 66. Kxg2 {+21.50/25 32s} Rf8 {-10.83/11 98s}
67. Qe1 {+M61/24 36s} Qg5+ {-11.33/11 48s} 68. Kh1 {+60.27/25 9.5s}
Rf3 {-11.33/11 21s} 69. Ra2 {+M45/30 32s} Qf6 {-12.11/10 75s}
70. Kg2 {+M39/32 52s} Qf4 {-12.80/8 89s} 71. d8=Q {+M37/32 11s}
g5 {-15.60/7 107s} 72. Qb8 {+M15/41 30s} Qf6 {-13.83/7 99s}
73. a8=Q {+M13/57 41s} Rxh3 {-9.01/7 71s} 74. Ra7+ {+M11/69 43s}
Kg6 {-11.14/8 23s} 75. Qe8+ {+M9/87 9.0s} Kh6 {-31.97/8 28s}
76. Qh8+ {+M7/127 1.0s} Qxh8 {-64.99/6 33s} 77. Qxh8+ {+M5/127 0.007s}
Kg6 {-70.14/5 0s} 78. Qh7+ {+M3/127 0.003s} Kf6 {-81.50/3 0.016s}
79. Qf5# {+M1/127 0.002s, White mates} 1-0[/pgn]
So, not a very good result for Lc0 at LTC.
Now, about endgames. From 5-men not so easy wins starting positions, at 60'+ 1'' tc,
Lc0 converted 4/20 of them against SF8, the rest being draws,
SF8 converted 19/20 against Lc0, and 1 was draw. Really poor performance of Lc0 in late endgame. Here is the PGN:
http://s000.tinyupload.com/?file_id=057 ... 1538372275
PS No Syzygy TBs were used