Fritz 17

[ThatsIt]

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3. About Ginkgo, what do we know about this engine at this moment? Style? Strength? Tunability? I know very little personally.

About strength:

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CEGT 40/20
Deep Shredder 13 x64   3154 /  6525 games
Ginkgo 2.18 x64        3144 /  2100 games

http://www.cegt.net/40_40%20Rating%20List/40_40%20SingleVersion/rangliste.html

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CEGT 40/4
Ginkgo 2.18 x64        3154 /  4100 games
Deep Shredder 13 x64   3151 / 11450 games

http://www.cegt.net/40_4_Ratinglist/40_4_single/rangliste.html

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CEGT 3'+1" pb=on
Ginkgo 2.18 x64        3151 /  2800 games
Deep Shredder 13 x64   3150 /  2800 games

http://www.cegt.net/3Plus1Rating/3plus1Purelist/rangliste.html

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CEGT 5'+3" pb=on
Ginkgo 2.18 x64        3167 /  1500 games
Deep Shredder 13 x64   3150 /  1500 games

http://www.cegt.net/5Plus3Rating/Purelist/rangliste.html

Best wishes,
G.S.
(CEGT team)

[Ovyron]

About Ginkgo, what do we know about this engine at this moment? Style? Strength? Tunability? I know very little personally.

You can read about it on here.

As for its style... well, here's Ginkgo beating Fire from the black side...

[pgn]1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 g6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Bg7 5. Nc3 Nc6 6. Be3 Nf6 7. Bc4 O-O 8. Bb3 d6 9. f3 Bd7 10. h4 Ne5 11. Qe2 h5 12. O-O-O a6 13. g4 Nfxg4 14. fxg4 Bxg4 15. Qg2 Bxd1 16. Rxd1 e6 17. Bg5 Bf6 18. Bf4 Ng4 19. Nf3 Bxc3 20. bxc3 Qf6 21. Bd2 b5 22. a3 Rac8 23. Kb1 a5 24. Rf1 Qe7 25. Ng5 Ne5 26. Qg3 Nc4 27. Bc1 a4 28. Ba2 e5 29. Rg1 Rcd8 30. Ka1 Rd7 31. Rf1 Rc7 32. Rd1 Qd7 33. Rg1 Rfc8 34. Qf3 Kg7 35. Rf1 Kg8 36. Qf6 Qe7 37. Qf2 Qd7 38. Qh2 Rf8 39. Rg1 Kh8 40. Qe2 Kg8 41. Rg3 Kh8 42. Qg2 Qe7 43. Qg1 Rb7 44. Qf2 Rfb8 45. Rf3 Rf8 46. Rd3 Rc7 47. Rd1 Rb7 48. Qg2 Rc7 49. Rf1 Kg7 50. Rg1 Rb8 51. Qf1 Qf6 52. Qe1 Rf8 53. Qg3 Kh8 54. Qg2 Rd7 55. Nf3 Rc8 56. Rf1 Qe7 57. Ng5 Rf8 58. Nh3 Rc8 59. Ng5 Rf8 60. Rg1 Rb8 61. Qf3 Rc8 62. Qd3 Rc5 63. Qh3 Rcc7 64. Rf1 Qd8 65. Rf3 Kg8 66. Qg2 Kh8 67. Qh3 Rb7 68. Qg3 Qc7 69. Rf1 Qd8 70. Nh3 Kg8 71. Nf2 Qa5 72. Rd1 Kg7 73. Rd5 Nb6 74. Rd3 Nc4 75. Rd5 Nb6 76. Nd1 Nxd5 77. Bxd5 Rb8 78. Bd2 Qd8 79. Ne3 Qf8 80. Ba2 Kh7 81. Nd5 f6 82. Qd3 Rdb7 83. Kb2 Qg7 84. Nb4 Rh8 85. Bd5 Rbb8 86. Qh3 Rhf8 87. Be6 Rfe8 88. Nd5 Rf8 89. Be3 Rfe8 90. Bb6 Rb7 91. Ba5 Ra8 92. Bb4 Rd8 93. Kb1 Kh8 94. Ka2 Qh6 95. Kb2 Qf8 96. Qf3 Re8 97. Bh3 Rd8 98. Qg3 Qg7 99. Be6 Ra7 100. Qf2 Rb7 101. Qf3 Rbb8 102. Ka1 Rb7 103. Kb1 Re8 104. Bh3 Qf8 105. Qe3 Kh7 106. Qg1 Ra8 107. Be6 Kg7 108. Qf1 Kh8 109. Kb2 Re8 110. Bh3 Ra8 111. Qg1 Kh7 112. Be6 Rab8 113. Qg2 Ra8 114. Qh3 Rd8 115. Ba5 Ra8 116. Bc7 Kh8 117. Bb6 Rg7 118. Be3 Rb7 119. Bd7 Rab8 120. Be6 Qg7 121. Ka2 Re8 122. Bb6 Kh7 123. Kb2 Reb8 124. Ba5 Qf8 125. Bc7 Ra8 126. Kb1 Kh8 127. Bb6 Re8 128. Ba5 Qg7 129. Bb4 Rd8 130. c4 bxc4 131. Qf1 f5 132. Qxc4 f4 133. Qe2 Rdb8 134. Qf3 Qh6 135. Bh3 Rg7 136. Ka2 g5 137. hxg5 Rxg5 138. Qc3 Rg7 139. Qd2 h4 140. Qf2 Rg3 141. Qa7 Rf8 142. Qc7 Qg7 143. Bd7 Rf7 144. Qd8+ Qf8 145. Qxf8+ Rxf8 146. Bxd6 f3 147. Ne3 f2 148. Bxe5+ Kh7 149. Bxg3 hxg3 150. Bh3 Rh8 151. Bg2 Kg6 152. Kb2 Rh2 153. Bf1 Rh1 154. Ba6 Kg5 155. Kc3 Kf4 156. Kd4 0-1[/pgn]

I liked it until it became a shufflefest, but at least Ginkgo doesn't feel fishy

[cc2150dx]

What is the difference between "Fritz17Setup_x64" and "Fritz17Setup_Win10" ?

Both list as 64-bit on installation. Having both alternatives is

I run on Windows 10 64-bit.

"Fritz17Setup_Win10" is the version you want. All the other versions are for Windows 7/8.

[carldaman]

Recently when Komodo 13.2 came out, I saw the new "personalities" feature and since this is the area of computer chess that interests me most, and I can afford the small fee, I bought it.

I guess the question is: was it worth the asking price? Did it provide anything that the best Rodent personalities didn't?

My point was these things exist because there are people with some extra money and they don't know what to do with it, so they give them an option, and this would prove it

Not that I'm anything different, I'll be getting Fritz 17 because I've been wanting to be able to use private engine Ginkgo very badly for several years now, and I'll finally get my chance, even if I'll probably check it out and then leave it unused to gain dust like I did with Shredder 13. But at least I'm picking Ginkgo over Komodo 13 because I doubt I'll see the difference with K11, I just hope Ginkgo provides in the originality department

1. You know I'm in love with Rodent, so nothing can replace him. And I was a bit dissapointed with the Komodo 13 stock personalities to be honest... for example, the "beginner" personality is still stronger than Deep Junior....yeah right...beginner.

On the other hand, the "Human", "Positional" and one I made myself are pretty nice, although still not with as distinct a style as I've managed with Rodent.

2. I don't think people "don't know what to do with their extra money" - they simply have it - and they often use it (deliberately) to pursue hobbies. I bought Komodo 13.2 and will probably buy Fritz 17 too...mainly as someone else said though, for the GUI improvements and the engine.

The 7 man live tablebase access will be fun too for studying various endings.

3. About Ginkgo, what do we know about this engine at this moment? Style? Strength? Tunability? I know very little personally.

The built-in Komodo personalities are supposed to work better in conjunction with lower Skill levels. Adjust Skill setting below 20 accordingly, until suitable to your needs.

I like Ginkgo's style, a nice mix of activity and solidity so far. Still testing it. Not very tunable, though, beyond Contempt/Draw Score there are no other useful settings, which is a bit disappointing.

[BrendanJNorman]

Recently when Komodo 13.2 came out, I saw the new "personalities" feature and since this is the area of computer chess that interests me most, and I can afford the small fee, I bought it.

I guess the question is: was it worth the asking price? Did it provide anything that the best Rodent personalities didn't?

My point was these things exist because there are people with some extra money and they don't know what to do with it, so they give them an option, and this would prove it

Not that I'm anything different, I'll be getting Fritz 17 because I've been wanting to be able to use private engine Ginkgo very badly for several years now, and I'll finally get my chance, even if I'll probably check it out and then leave it unused to gain dust like I did with Shredder 13. But at least I'm picking Ginkgo over Komodo 13 because I doubt I'll see the difference with K11, I just hope Ginkgo provides in the originality department

1. You know I'm in love with Rodent, so nothing can replace him. And I was a bit dissapointed with the Komodo 13 stock personalities to be honest... for example, the "beginner" personality is still stronger than Deep Junior....yeah right...beginner.

On the other hand, the "Human", "Positional" and one I made myself are pretty nice, although still not with as distinct a style as I've managed with Rodent.

2. I don't think people "don't know what to do with their extra money" - they simply have it - and they often use it (deliberately) to pursue hobbies. I bought Komodo 13.2 and will probably buy Fritz 17 too...mainly as someone else said though, for the GUI improvements and the engine.

The 7 man live tablebase access will be fun too for studying various endings.

3. About Ginkgo, what do we know about this engine at this moment? Style? Strength? Tunability? I know very little personally.

The built-in Komodo personalities are supposed to work better in conjunction with lower Skill levels. Adjust Skill setting below 20 accordingly, until suitable to your needs.

I like Ginkgo's style, a nice mix of activity and solidity so far. Still testing it. Not very tunable, though, beyond Contempt/Draw Score there are no other useful settings, which is a bit disappointing.

Thanks Carl, that makes a lot more sense....silly me!

Looking forward to having a look at F17.

A weird feeling comes to mind when reflecting on the day I bought Fritz 7 from a tournament bookstall back in 2002.

Ten versions later...

[Ovyron]

I like Ginkgo's style, a nice mix of activity and solidity so far. Still testing it. Not very tunable, though, beyond Contempt/Draw Score there are no other useful settings, which is a bit disappointing.

Yeah, I got it and like that it has an unique style very unlike other top engines (though I have no idea where's it at, maybe it plays like Ethereal/Laser/Xyphos and I wouldn't know ). Just don't expect it to play as great as Houdini 6 or Leela...

It didn't pass the "analysis test", though, as a companion for Stockfish, Houdini or Komodo are still much better choices.

BUT, a clear improvement over Fritz 16 is that it detects that the computer is old and doesn't support new instructions, and installs a "NoPopcnt" version! Instead of forcing you to use 32bit!

For that I'm glad Rybka is dead, I guess it's time to update my avatar...

[Ozymandias]

For that I'm glad Rybka is dead, I guess it's time to update my avatar...

Long overdue, we've talked about Vas "involvement" in F15 as far back as summer, 2015. For me, the confirmation that there was no future for the engine, came exactly at this point. The original article being from Albert Silver (figures).

[Guenther]

Also, it could be worth noting that Ginkgo had been listed on CCRl 40/40 as a private engine, but then it was
pulled from the list just around the same time as the Fritz 17 discussion first sprang up. :)

I don't know why that was, I wouldn't read anything into it. Graham asked for it to be removed and it was. They were his games. I'm not sure why it was there at all, we don't have private engines on the 40/40 list.

Sorry, for the late pushing.

Now after Ginkgo finally was revealed as new F17 program, I noticed that Anaconda (Kai Skibbe + Frank Schneider) also is still on the CCRL lists.
Only version 2.01 though, while I still have three betas between 2.06 and 2.07 lingering here.

May be it would be a good point in time to ask them, if they wouldn't mind/object a release of their old Anaconda?
AFAIK it was probably leaked anyway into the open, as I see it listed in the supersharp guy (so called) tournaments.

My last contact to Kai was long ago though, may be CCRL might ask? :)

Edit:
Ok, I did it nevertheless and Kais mail address seems still to work.

Edit2:
A pity it bounced a bit later

Found an old site entry saved in wayback:
https://web.archive.org/web/20100227121 ... /index.htm

[Guenther]

What is the supported max cpu number (according to the uci options) for Fritz 17?
Asking for info, because I added now a Ginkgo entry to the XB/UCI chronology.

(note that some programs detect the max mumber themselves and then write the number of your cores)

[Ovyron]

My Ginkgo maxes out at 4CPU, but it seems to detect your hardware before installation, so maybe it installed one that could not use more than 4 by default (for instance, if I upgraded my CPU to one that allowed popcount, I wouldn't be able to make use of it because the one that works in my machine was installed; would probably need to install it again...)