Dann Corbit wrote: ↑Sat Apr 25, 2020 2:58 am
Uri Blass wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2019 8:49 am
Ovyron claimed that the italien opening is good for black.
GM larry kaufman claims that it is good for white
his sample pages about his new repertoire has the following information:
"So how much of an edge can you get as White with my repertoire? Here
are the Elo advantages for White after my preferred response to the main
lines (per Hiarcs db):
- Caro-Kann Two Knights +40;
- French Tarrasch +45;
- Sicilian 2...♘c6 3.♗b5 +37;
- Sicilian 2...d6 3.♗b5+ +40;
- Petroff main line +37;
- Italian +30;
- Spanish Berlin 5.♖e1 with ♗f1 +42;
- Spanish 6.d3 +26"
What is your opinion?
I guess that most agree that it is a draw with perfect play but I added also 2 options that white is winning or black is winning.
I claim that it is good for black because it is drawn and a draw is good for black most of the time.
Main position:
[d]r1bqk1nr/pppp1ppp/2n5/2b1p3/2B1P3/5N2/PPPP1PPP/RNBQK2R w KQkq - acd 60; bm O-O; c2 "lichess.org"; c3 "Bxf7+"; c4 "c3"; cce -14; ce 0; pm c3 {5238} O-O {1607} d3 {1341} b4 {1213} Nc3 {280} d4 {39} Qe2 {17} a4 {8} a3 {7} Bb3 {2} Nxe5 {2} Ng5 {1} Rg1 {1}; pv O-O Nf6 d3 d6 c3 O-O Re1 h6 b4 Bb6 h3 Ne7 Nbd2 Ng6 a4 a5 b5 Re8 d4 exd4 cxd4 d5 exd5 Rxe1+ Qxe1 Nxd5 Nb3 Be6 Bd2 Qf6 Qe4 c6 bxc6 bxc6 Re1 Bf5 Qe2 Be6; white_wins 97057; black_wins 110581; draws 145353; Opening C50h Giuoco Piano;
In case you were wondering what if he does not castle? Is it still drawn?
Here are the two other popular continuations:
[d]r1bqk1nr/pppp1ppp/2n5/2b1p3/2B1P3/2P2N2/PP1P1PPP/RNBQK2R b KQkq - acd 60; bm Nf6; c3 "Nf6"; c4 "Nf6"; cce -35; ce 0; pm Nf6 {6552} Qe7 {155} d6 {109} Bb6 {74} Qf6 {24} Nge7 {4} h6 {3} a6 {1} f6 {1} Na5 {1}; pv Nf6 d3 d6 O-O O-O Re1 h6 h3 a5 a4 Be6 Nbd2 Qe7 Bxe6 fxe6 Nc4 Qf7 Qb3 b6 Bd2 Qg6 Be3 Bxe3 Rxe3 Nh5 Kh2 Nf4 Rg1 Qh5 Ncd2 d5 Qb5 Na7 Qa6 Nc6; white_wins 77710; black_wins 57946; draws 110207; Opening C53 Giuoco Piano: 4.c3;
[d]r1bqk1nr/pppp1ppp/2n5/2b1p3/2B1P3/3P1N2/PPP2PPP/RNBQK2R b KQkq - acd 60; bm Nf6; c3 "Nf6"; cce -27; ce 0; pm Nf6 {2363} d6 {159} h6 {42} a6 {5} Nge7 {1}; pv Nf6 a4 O-O O-O a5 Be3 Bxe3 fxe3 h6 Nbd2 d6 Bb3 Ne7 Nh4 Be6 Bxe6 fxe6 Nhf3 Qd7 c3 Nc6 Rf2 Ng4 Re2 Rf7 h3 Nf6 Qb3 b6 Rf2 Ne7 Raf1 Ng6 Qc2 Qc6 Rc1 Rff8 Re1 Rad8 d4 Rde8 Kh2 Rd8 Rff1 Ra8 Rg1 Kh7 Rc1 Kg8; white_wins 29371; black_wins 23628; draws 38488; Opening C50n Giuoco Pianissimo: 4.d3;
Now, there is no proof here that any of these are drawn. But I think it very, very likely with best play.
No wonder they call it "The quiet game."
"Thanks for the Stats Dann C"
Well with all the fine numbers put out there by Dann C. thought it best to "Put a pencil to the numbers and look at the final stats" "And see whats what"........Here are some "late night calculations"......
Qb6 {1}; pv e5 Nde2 h5 g3 Be7 a4 Nc6 Bg2 Nb4 Bg5 Be6 Qd2 Rc8 O-O O-O Rfd1 Qc7 Rac1 Rfe8 Kh2 Rcd8 Qe3 Qc5 Qd2; white_wins 50533; black_wins 25087; draws 86399; Opening B90e Sicilian: Najdorf, Adams Attack;
Stats Total Games=162019
W. Wins%=31.189
B. Wins%=15.483
Draws-%=53.326
6.h3 Subtle but Effective?
Bxd5 O-O-O O-O-O Rg1 Be7 g3 Be6 Bg2 h5 h4 Bg4 Rxd8+ Rxd8 Re1 Kd7 c3 f6 a3 Rc8 Kc2 Bf5+ Kc1; white_wins 402916; black_wins 424370; draws 438917; Opening B90a Sicilian: Najdorf;
Stats Total Games=1266203
W. Wins%=31.820
B. Wins%=33.315
Draws-%=34.664
Wow...Interesting Numbers!!..Tactics...
Nbd2 Ng6 a4 a5 b5 Re8 d4 exd4 cxd4 d5 exd5 Rxe1+ Qxe1 Nxd5 Nb3 Be6 Bd2 Qf6 Qe4 c6 bxc6 bxc6 Re1 Bf5 Qe2 Be6; white_wins 97057; black_wins 110581; draws 145353; Opening C50h Giuoco Piano;
In case you were wondering what if he does not castle? Is it still drawn?
Stats Total Games=352991
W. Wins%=27.495
B. Wins%=31.326
Draws-%=41.177
White makes blacks job easier?
Bxe3 Rxe3 Nh5 Kh2 Nf4 Rg1 Qh5 Ncd2 d5 Qb5 Na7 Qa6 Nc6; white_wins 77710; black_wins 57946; draws 110207; Opening C53 Giuoco Piano: 4.c3;
Stats Total Games=245863
W. Wins%=31.607
B. Wins%=23.568
Draws-%=44.824
White Slightly better...
Bxe3 fxe3 h6 Nbd2 d6 Bb3 Ne7 Nh4 Be6 Bxe6 fxe6 Nhf3 Qd7 c3 Nc6 Rf2 Ng4 Re2 Rf7 h3 Nf6 Qb3 b6 Rf2 Ne7 Raf1 Ng6 Qc2 Qc6 Rc1 Rff8 Re1 Rad8 d4 Rde8 Kh2 Rd8 Rff1 Ra8 Rg1 Kh7 Rc1 Kg8; white_wins 29371; black_wins 23628; draws 38488; Opening C50n Giuoco Pianissimo: 4.d3;
Stats Total Games=91487
W. Wins%=32.104
B. Wins%=25.826
Draws-%=42.069
White ahead by a bit....
If engine A (white) is better and deeper than engine B (black)........white wins 90% of the games...regardless of the lines...main line Najdorf.....if equally matched....result is around 33% to get a win or loss or a draw...If your gonna watch these engine games..may as well have some EXCITEMENT....while you watch...