Komodo vs. GM Lenderman match; "Almost a knight"

[lkaufman]

Here it is I put up a real fight up to the very end but lost

[pgn]
[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2020.05.06"]
[Round "?"]
[White "ChessQueen"]
[Black "Komodo 13.3 64-bit"]
[Result "0-1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "r1bqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR b KQkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "83"]

1... e5 2. e4 Nf6 3. Nc3 Bb4 4. Nge2 d5 5. exd5 O-O 6. a3 Bc5 7. b4 Bd4 8. Bb2
a5 9. Nxd4 exd4 10. Ne2 d3 11. cxd3 Re8 12. Qc2 Nxd5 13. Qc4 Ra6 14. bxa5 b5
15. axb6 Rxb6 16. O-O-O Be6 17. Qd4 f6 18. Ng3 Qb8 19. Ne4 Rc6+ 20. Nc5 Qb5 21.
Kb1 Rxc5 22. a4 Qb3 23. Qxc5 Qxd1+ 24. Qc1 Qxa4 25. Qc2 Qa7 26. Be2 Nb4 27. Qc3
Qa2+ 28. Kc1 Qa4 29. Qxc7 Qb3 30. d4 Rc8 31. Qxc8+ Bxc8 32. Bc4+ Qxc4+ 33. Bc3
Qa2 34. Bxb4 Bd7 35. Bc3 Ba4 36. Bb2 Qb3 37. Kb1 Qd3+ 38. Ka1 Bc2 39. Bc3 Qa6+
40. Kb2 Qa4 41. Ra1 Qb3+ 42. Kc1 Bd3 0-1[/pgn]

You let Black move first, so you weren't playing Knight and move odds, just regular knight odds. White always moves first in chess!

[Chessqueen]

You let Black move first, so you weren't playing Knight and move odds, just regular knight odds. White always moves first in chess!
[/quote]

Tomorrow I will play Black and let Komodo have two moves, one for the Knight and the other for giving me the pawn odds
[pgn]
[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2020.05.06"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Komodo 13.3 64-bit"]
[Black "ChessQueen"]
[Result "*"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/3P4/8/PP2PPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "0"][/pgn]

[lkaufman]

You let Black move first, so you weren't playing Knight and move odds, just regular knight odds. White always moves first in chess!

Tomorrow I will play Black and let Komodo have two moves, one for the Knight and the other for giving me the pawn odds
[pgn]
[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2020.05.06"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Komodo 13.3 64-bit"]
[Black "ChessQueen"]
[Result "*"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/3P4/8/PP2PPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "0"]
[/quote]

This should be about the same as knight + move handicap, if a pawn = two tempi at the start. But in this particular position, with the "c" pawn missing, the b1 knight is more needed than the g1 knight, partly to block any check on b4, so this particular position is relatively more favorable for Black than it seems at first.[/pgn]

[Chessqueen]

You let Black move first, so you weren't playing Knight and move odds, just regular knight odds. White always moves first in chess!

Tomorrow I will play Black and let Komodo have two moves, one for the Knight and the other for giving me the pawn odds
[pgn]
[Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2020.05.06"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Komodo 13.3 64-bit"]
[Black "ChessQueen"]
[Result "*"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/2P5/P2PPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "0"][/pgn]

This should be about the same as knight + move handicap, if a pawn = two tempi at the start. But in this particular position, with the "c" pawn missing, the b1 knight is more needed than the g1 knight, partly to block any check on b4, so this particular position is relatively more favorable for Black than it seems at first.
[/quote]

Okay I will play with the b2 pawn missing

[Chessqueen]

This should be about the same as knight + move handicap, if a pawn = two tempi at the start. But in this particular position, with the "c" pawn missing, the b1 knight is more needed than the g1 knight, partly to block any check on b4, so this particular position is relatively more favorable for Black than it seems at first.
[/quote]

Okay I will play with the b2 pawn missing
[/quote]

I really enjoyed playing this game where I set up a pawn blockage or barricade which caused Komodo to use a lot of time and later made unsound moves like 41.g3? which allowed my Queen to penetrate into the King side and that is all she wrote. Well I found out that a Knight plus pawn odds is too much to give on a slow system like my computer even with two extra tempi one for each piece given away by Komodo.Good Luck Larry and hope that you can make some significant improvements with Komodo to find a way to draw a few games Vs GM Lenderman. Too bad that you can NOT still ask GM Lenderman if he allows to remove one of his pawn when playing Chess960 Knight odds, or a tempi plus a knight odds for the 4 Chess960 games

[pgn]
[Event "Blitz:15'+10""]
[Site "MyTown"]
[Date "2020.05.07"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Komodo 13.3 64-bit"]
[Black "ChessQueen"]
[Result "0-1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/2P5/P2PPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "86"]
[TimeControl "900+10"]

1. e4 c5 2. d4 Qa5 3. Bd2 Nf6 4. Bd3 c4 5. Bc2 d5 6. e5 Ne4 7. Ne2 Nxd2 8. Qxd2
g6 9. Qf4 Nc6 10. O-O h5 11. a4 Bg4 12. f3 Be6 13. Qe3 Bh6 14. f4 O-O-O 15.
Rfb1 Qc7 16. Qf2 Bg4 17. Nc1 Kb8 18. Ra2 Qd7 19. a5 Ka8 20. Rbb2 Rb8 21. h3 Bf5
22. Bd1 Qc7 23. Kh2 Be6 24. Rb5 a6 25. Rc5 Qd8 26. Bc2 Bc8 27. Qe3 e6 28. Ne2
Bf8 29. Bb1 Bxc5 30. dxc5 Nxa5 31. Bc2 Bd7 32. Qf2 Qc7 33. Ng1 Bb5 34. Kh1 Nb3
35. Bxb3 cxb3 36. Ra3 Bc4 37. Nf3 Rbc8 38. Nd4 Qxc5 39. Qb2 Qb6 40. Ra4 Qd8 41.
g3 h4 42. g4 g5 43. fxg5 Qxg5 0-1[/pgn]

[Chessqueen]

This should be about the same as knight + move handicap, if a pawn = two tempi at the start. But in this particular position, with the "c" pawn missing, the b1 knight is more needed than the g1 knight, partly to block any check on b4, so this particular position is relatively more favorable for Black than it seems at first.

Okay I will play with the b2 pawn missing
[/quote]

I really enjoyed playing this game where I set up a pawn blockage or barricade which caused Komodo to use a lot of time and later made unsound moves like 25. Rc5? was a mistake by Komodo instead of just retrieving the Rook back the b2, and 41.g3? which allowed my Queen to penetrate into the King side and that is all she wrote. But again Komodo with my position blocked was consuming way too much time, whereas, I was just simply improving my position little by little waiting to set the trap to catch that Huge Komodo Dragon into my NET. Well I found out that a Knight plus pawn odds is too much to give on a slow system like my computer even with two extra tempi one for each piece given away by Komodo. Good Luck Larry and hope that you can make some significant improvements with Komodo to find a way to draw a few games Vs GM Lenderman. Too bad that you can NOT still ask GM Lenderman if he allows to remove one of his pawn when playing Chess960 Knight odds, or a tempi plus a knight odds for the 4 Chess960 games

[pgn]
[Event "Blitz:15'+10""]
[Site "MyTown"]
[Date "2020.05.07"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Komodo 13.3 64-bit"]
[Black "ChessQueen"]
[Result "0-1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/2P5/P2PPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "86"]
[TimeControl "900+10"]

1. e4 c5 2. d4 Qa5 3. Bd2 Nf6 4. Bd3 c4 5. Bc2 d5 6. e5 Ne4 7. Ne2 Nxd2 8. Qxd2
g6 9. Qf4 Nc6 10. O-O h5 11. a4 Bg4 12. f3 Be6 13. Qe3 Bh6 14. f4 O-O-O 15.
Rfb1 Qc7 16. Qf2 Bg4 17. Nc1 Kb8 18. Ra2 Qd7 19. a5 Ka8 20. Rbb2 Rb8 21. h3 Bf5
22. Bd1 Qc7 23. Kh2 Be6 24. Rb5 a6 25. Rc5 Qd8 26. Bc2 Bc8 27. Qe3 e6 28. Ne2
Bf8 29. Bb1 Bxc5 30. dxc5 Nxa5 31. Bc2 Bd7 32. Qf2 Qc7 33. Ng1 Bb5 34. Kh1 Nb3
35. Bxb3 cxb3 36. Ra3 Bc4 37. Nf3 Rbc8 38. Nd4 Qxc5 39. Qb2 Qb6 40. Ra4 Qd8 41.
g3 h4 42. g4 g5 43. fxg5 Qxg5 0-1
[/quote][/pgn]

[lkaufman]

This should be about the same as knight + move handicap, if a pawn = two tempi at the start. But in this particular position, with the "c" pawn missing, the b1 knight is more needed than the g1 knight, partly to block any check on b4, so this particular position is relatively more favorable for Black than it seems at first.

Okay I will play with the b2 pawn missing

I really enjoyed playing this game where I set up a pawn blockage or barricade which caused Komodo to use a lot of time and later made unsound moves like 25. Rc5? was a mistake by Komodo instead of just retrieving the Rook back the b2, and 41.g3? which allowed my Queen to penetrate into the King side and that is all she wrote. But again Komodo with my position blocked was consuming way too much time, whereas, I was just simply improving my position little by little waiting to set the trap to catch that Huge Komodo Dragon into my NET. Well I found out that a Knight plus pawn odds is too much to give on a slow system like my computer even with two extra tempi one for each piece given away by Komodo. Good Luck Larry and hope that you can make some significant improvements with Komodo to find a way to draw a few games Vs GM Lenderman. Too bad that you can NOT still ask GM Lenderman if he allows to remove one of his pawn when playing Chess960 Knight odds, or a tempi plus a knight odds for the 4 Chess960 games

[pgn]
[Event "Blitz:15'+10""]
[Site "MyTown"]
[Date "2020.05.07"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Komodo 13.3 64-bit"]
[Black "ChessQueen"]
[Result "0-1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/2P5/P2PPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "86"]
[TimeControl "900+10"]

1. e4 c5 2. d4 Qa5 3. Bd2 Nf6 4. Bd3 c4 5. Bc2 d5 6. e5 Ne4 7. Ne2 Nxd2 8. Qxd2
g6 9. Qf4 Nc6 10. O-O h5 11. a4 Bg4 12. f3 Be6 13. Qe3 Bh6 14. f4 O-O-O 15.
Rfb1 Qc7 16. Qf2 Bg4 17. Nc1 Kb8 18. Ra2 Qd7 19. a5 Ka8 20. Rbb2 Rb8 21. h3 Bf5
22. Bd1 Qc7 23. Kh2 Be6 24. Rb5 a6 25. Rc5 Qd8 26. Bc2 Bc8 27. Qe3 e6 28. Ne2
Bf8 29. Bb1 Bxc5 30. dxc5 Nxa5 31. Bc2 Bd7 32. Qf2 Qc7 33. Ng1 Bb5 34. Kh1 Nb3
35. Bxb3 cxb3 36. Ra3 Bc4 37. Nf3 Rbc8 38. Nd4 Qxc5 39. Qb2 Qb6 40. Ra4 Qd8 41.
g3 h4 42. g4 g5 43. fxg5 Qxg5 0-1
[/quote]
[/quote]

Nice win, but I'm having trouble replicating some of Komodo's moves, such as move 9 and 17, regardless of settings or time. Was this normal or mcts mode, and what Contempt? Threads still at 1, or raised to 4? The interesting finding so far from both your games and mine seems to be that one pawn makes a huge difference, it seems that material affects the results more than the computer eval does. Not sure why, or what to do about it. We will have a tough time in the FRC games with full knight odds vs. Lenderman, but if we got a pawn back in FRC I think it would be too favorable for Komodo, the combination of the pawn plus the unfamiliar position would be too much. By the way, according to my latest tests Contempt can be raised as high as 180 for knight odds games with good results.[/pgn]

[lkaufman]

This should be about the same as knight + move handicap, if a pawn = two tempi at the start. But in this particular position, with the "c" pawn missing, the b1 knight is more needed than the g1 knight, partly to block any check on b4, so this particular position is relatively more favorable for Black than it seems at first.

Okay I will play with the b2 pawn missing

I really enjoyed playing this game where I set up a pawn blockage or barricade which caused Komodo to use a lot of time and later made unsound moves like 25. Rc5? was a mistake by Komodo instead of just retrieving the Rook back the b2, and 41.g3? which allowed my Queen to penetrate into the King side and that is all she wrote. But again Komodo with my position blocked was consuming way too much time, whereas, I was just simply improving my position little by little waiting to set the trap to catch that Huge Komodo Dragon into my NET. Well I found out that a Knight plus pawn odds is too much to give on a slow system like my computer even with two extra tempi one for each piece given away by Komodo. Good Luck Larry and hope that you can make some significant improvements with Komodo to find a way to draw a few games Vs GM Lenderman. Too bad that you can NOT still ask GM Lenderman if he allows to remove one of his pawn when playing Chess960 Knight odds, or a tempi plus a knight odds for the 4 Chess960 games

[pgn]
[Event "Blitz:15'+10""]
[Site "MyTown"]
[Date "2020.05.07"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Komodo 13.3 64-bit"]
[Black "ChessQueen"]
[Result "0-1"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/2P5/P2PPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "86"]
[TimeControl "900+10"]

1. e4 c5 2. d4 Qa5 3. Bd2 Nf6 4. Bd3 c4 5. Bc2 d5 6. e5 Ne4 7. Ne2 Nxd2 8. Qxd2
g6 9. Qf4 Nc6 10. O-O h5 11. a4 Bg4 12. f3 Be6 13. Qe3 Bh6 14. f4 O-O-O 15.
Rfb1 Qc7 16. Qf2 Bg4 17. Nc1 Kb8 18. Ra2 Qd7 19. a5 Ka8 20. Rbb2 Rb8 21. h3 Bf5
22. Bd1 Qc7 23. Kh2 Be6 24. Rb5 a6 25. Rc5 Qd8 26. Bc2 Bc8 27. Qe3 e6 28. Ne2
Bf8 29. Bb1 Bxc5 30. dxc5 Nxa5 31. Bc2 Bd7 32. Qf2 Qc7 33. Ng1 Bb5 34. Kh1 Nb3
35. Bxb3 cxb3 36. Ra3 Bc4 37. Nf3 Rbc8 38. Nd4 Qxc5 39. Qb2 Qb6 40. Ra4 Qd8 41.
g3 h4 42. g4 g5 43. fxg5 Qxg5 0-1
[/quote]
[/quote]

Nice win, but I'm having trouble replicating some of Komodo's moves, such as move 9 and 17, regardless of settings or time. Was this normal or mcts mode, and what Contempt? Threads still at 1, or raised to 4? The interesting finding so far from both your games and mine seems to be that one pawn makes a huge difference, it seems that material affects the results more than the computer eval does. Not sure why, or what to do about it. We will have a tough time in the FRC games with full knight odds vs. Lenderman, but if we got a pawn back in FRC I think it would be too favorable for Komodo, the combination of the pawn plus the unfamiliar position would be too much. By the way, according to my latest tests Contempt can be raised as high as 180 for knight odds games with good results.[/pgn]

[Chessqueen]

This should be about the same as knight + move handicap, if a pawn = two tempi at the start. But in this particular position, with the "c" pawn missing, the b1 knight is more needed than the g1 knight, partly to block any check on b4, so this particular position is relatively more favorable for Black than it seems at first.
[/quote]

Okay I will play with the b2 pawn missing
[/quote]

I really enjoyed playing this game where I set up a pawn blockage or barricade which caused Komodo to use a lot of time and later made unsound moves like 25. Rc5? was a mistake by Komodo instead of just retrieving the Rook back the b2, and 41.g3? which allowed my Queen to penetrate into the King side and that is all she wrote. But again Komodo with my position blocked was consuming way too much time, whereas, I was just simply improving my position little by little waiting to set the trap to catch that Huge Komodo Dragon into my NET. Well I found out that a Knight plus pawn odds is too much to give on a slow system like my computer even with two extra tempi one for each piece given away by Komodo. Good Luck Larry and hope that you can make some significant improvements with Komodo to find a way to draw a few games Vs GM Lenderman. Too bad that you can NOT still ask GM Lenderman if he allows to remove one of his pawn when playing Chess960 Knight odds, or a tempi plus a knight odds for the 4 Chess960 games



Nice win, but I'm having trouble replicating some of Komodo's moves, such as move 9 and 17, regardless of settings or time. Was this normal or mcts mode, and what Contempt? Threads still at 1, or raised to 4? The interesting finding so far from both your games and mine seems to be that one pawn makes a huge difference, it seems that material affects the results more than the computer eval does. Not sure why, or what to do about it. We will have a tough time in the FRC games with full knight odds vs. Lenderman, but if we got a pawn back in FRC I think it would be too favorable for Komodo, the combination of the pawn plus the unfamiliar position would be too much. By the way, according to my latest tests Contempt can be raised as high as 180 for knight odds games with good results.
[/quote]

I used contempt 150, Threads 4,King Safety 94, and White contempt was clicked, and MCTS. That is strange because I was trying to re[licate move 9 and now it is playing 9.Qe3 instead of Qf4? and and did it a 2nd time and it played 9.a4. I really do not know what to tell you but on those two moves i noticed that Komodo took a long time to make them when I played the game.

Tomorrow I will replay the game after this move 8 Qxd2 g6

[pgn]
[Event "Blitz:15'+10""]
[Site "MyTown"]
[Date "2020.05.07"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Komodo 13.3 64-bit"]
[Black "ChessQueen"]
[Result "?"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/2P5/P2PPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "86"]
[TimeControl "900+10"]

1. e4 c5 2. d4 Qa5 3. Bd2 Nf6 4. Bd3 c4 5. Bc2 d5 6. e5 Ne4 7. Ne2 Nxd2 8. Qxd2
g6[/pgn]

[lkaufman]

This should be about the same as knight + move handicap, if a pawn = two tempi at the start. But in this particular position, with the "c" pawn missing, the b1 knight is more needed than the g1 knight, partly to block any check on b4, so this particular position is relatively more favorable for Black than it seems at first.

Okay I will play with the b2 pawn missing
[/quote]

I really enjoyed playing this game where I set up a pawn blockage or barricade which caused Komodo to use a lot of time and later made unsound moves like 25. Rc5? was a mistake by Komodo instead of just retrieving the Rook back the b2, and 41.g3? which allowed my Queen to penetrate into the King side and that is all she wrote. But again Komodo with my position blocked was consuming way too much time, whereas, I was just simply improving my position little by little waiting to set the trap to catch that Huge Komodo Dragon into my NET. Well I found out that a Knight plus pawn odds is too much to give on a slow system like my computer even with two extra tempi one for each piece given away by Komodo. Good Luck Larry and hope that you can make some significant improvements with Komodo to find a way to draw a few games Vs GM Lenderman. Too bad that you can NOT still ask GM Lenderman if he allows to remove one of his pawn when playing Chess960 Knight odds, or a tempi plus a knight odds for the 4 Chess960 games



Nice win, but I'm having trouble replicating some of Komodo's moves, such as move 9 and 17, regardless of settings or time. Was this normal or mcts mode, and what Contempt? Threads still at 1, or raised to 4? The interesting finding so far from both your games and mine seems to be that one pawn makes a huge difference, it seems that material affects the results more than the computer eval does. Not sure why, or what to do about it. We will have a tough time in the FRC games with full knight odds vs. Lenderman, but if we got a pawn back in FRC I think it would be too favorable for Komodo, the combination of the pawn plus the unfamiliar position would be too much. By the way, according to my latest tests Contempt can be raised as high as 180 for knight odds games with good results.
[/quote]

I used contempt 150, Threads 4,King Safety 94, and White contempt was clicked, and MCTS. That is strange because I was trying to re[licate move 9 and now it is playing 9.Qe3 instead of Qf4? and and did it a 2nd time and it played 9.a4. I really do not know what to tell you but on those two moves i noticed that Komodo took a long time to make them when I played the game.

Tomorrow I will replay the game after this move 8 Qxd2 g6

[pgn]
[Event "Blitz:15'+10""]
[Site "MyTown"]
[Date "2020.05.07"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Komodo 13.3 64-bit"]
[Black "ChessQueen"]
[Result "?"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/2P5/P2PPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "86"]
[TimeControl "900+10"]

1. e4 c5 2. d4 Qa5 3. Bd2 Nf6 4. Bd3 c4 5. Bc2 d5 6. e5 Ne4 7. Ne2 Nxd2 8. Qxd2
g6
[/quote]

Those settings should be okay, assuming that your computer actually supports four threads. If you don't know, google the model number or post it here. If it has two cores plus hyperthreading (which is likely), then four threads is technically ok, but perhaps the GUI and other things you have running on it are overtaxing it, in which case reducing to three Threads might solve the problem. It is possible there is nothing wrong, since when you use more than one thread you won't always get the same move again in the same time. If you had depth information it would be obvious whether something is wrong. Note that "White Contempt" is really intended for analysis, but as long as Komodo is playing White it won't affect anything whether it is checked or not. If you played games where Komodo was Black and you had that box checked, those games were not valid (unless you put a negative sign before the Contempt value!).[/pgn]