Is EMAN the future number one?

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Glarean
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Re: Is EMAN the future number one?

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MikeB wrote: Mon Jun 08, 2020 7:14 am From one of my current engine tournaments a clear and deserved winner emerged: EMAN.
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To answer your question - only in your little basement tournament.
Oh, I think Eman could be number one in a big tournament too.
In any case, in such a big tournament Eman 5.6 wouldn't have to be afraid of Honey XI... ;-)
I wanted to know a little bit more about it:

Match Eman vs Honey 27:23

Download PGN: https://glarean-magazin.ch/wp-content/u ... s-Book.pgn

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What is certain is that such tournaments can be very informative in chess terms. And one discovers interesting moves.

Here are some snacks (it's a coincidence that three times Arasan is involved):

1r6/1p1bk2p/5pp1/pNp1b3/P1B1Pp2/2P5/1P1R1PPP/5K2 b - - 0 28
[pgn][Event "Ryzen 7 - 16Threads (2min+2sec)"]
[Site "www.glarean-magazin.ch"]
[Date "2020.05.22"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Arasan 22.0"]
[Black "Lc0 25.1 t60-3044"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "W. Eigenmann & Computer"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "1r6/1p1bk2p/5pp1/pNp1b3/P1B1Pp2/2P5/1P1R1PPP/5K2 b - - 0 28"]
[PlyCount "7"]
[EventDate "2020.05.22"]
[SourceTitle "Tournament 31 Engines"]
[Source "W. Eigenmann"]
[SourceDate "2020.05.30"]
[SourceVersion "1"]
[SourceVersionDate "2020.05.30"]
[SourceQuality "1"]

28... f3 $5 29. g3 g5 30. Ke1 (30. h4 Bc6 31. Bd5 (31. Rd3 gxh4 32. Rxf3 (32.
Bd5 Bxd5 33. Rxd5 h3 34. Kg1 h5 35. Rd3 h4 36. Rxf3 Rd8 $19) 32... hxg3 33. Bd5
Bxd5 34. exd5 Rg8 $19) 31... Rd8 32. hxg5 (32. Ke1 Bxd5 33. exd5 gxh4 34. gxh4
Rg8 35. Rd3 Rg1+ 36. Kd2 Bf4+ 37. Kc2 c4 38. Rd1 Rg2 $19) 32... Bxb5+ 33. axb5
fxg5 34. Ke1 b6 35. Rd1 Kf6 36. Kd2 g4 37. Rh1 Kg6 38. Ra1 h5 39. Ke3 Kg5 40.
Rh1 Rf8 $17) 30... h5 31. Kd1 $2 (31. Rd3 g4 32. Kd2 h4 $17) 31... h4 $19 *[/pgn]

r1b2rk1/1p4bp/p2Q1p2/4p3/4N1q1/4B3/PPP2PPP/R3K2R w KQ - 0 14
[pgn][Event "Ryzen 7 - 16Threads (2min+2sec)"]
[Site "www.glarean-magazin.ch"]
[Date "2020.05.22"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Wasp 3.75"]
[Black "Arasan 22.0"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "W. Eigenmann & Computer"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "r1b2rk1/1p4bp/p2Q1p2/4p3/4N1q1/4B3/PPP2PPP/R3K2R w KQ - 0 14"]
[PlyCount "9"]
[EventDate "2020.05.22"]
[SourceTitle "Tournament 31 Engines"]
[Source "W. Eigenmann"]
[SourceDate "2020.05.30"]
[SourceVersion "1"]
[SourceVersionDate "2020.05.30"]
[SourceQuality "1"]

14. f3 $5 Qxg2 15. Rf1 Kh8 (15... Bf5 16. Qd5+ Kh8 17. O-O-O $16) 16. O-O-O Bf5
17. Qd5 (17. Rf2 $5) 17... Rab8 (17... Qxh2 18. Rf2 Qh3 19. Qxb7 $16) (17...
Qe2 18. Bc5 $16) 18. Kb1 $16 *[/pgn]

r1b2rk1/pp3pb1/1q5p/3Qp3/5p2/1NP2B2/PP3PPP/R4RK1 b - - 0 19
[pgn][Event "Ryzen 7 - 16Threads (2min+2sec)"]
[Site "www.glarean-magazin.ch"]
[Date "2020.05.25"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Arasan 22.0"]
[Black "Eman 5.50"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "W. Eigenmann & Computer"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "r1b2rk1/pp3pb1/1q5p/3Qp3/5p2/1NP2B2/PP3PPP/R4RK1 b - - 0 19"]
[PlyCount "15"]
[EventDate "2020.05.22"]
[SourceTitle "Tournament 31 Engines"]
[Source "W. Eigenmann"]
[SourceDate "2020.05.30"]
[SourceVersion "1"]
[SourceVersionDate "2020.05.30"]
[SourceQuality "1"]

19... a5 $5 20. Rfd1 (20. Qc5 Qg6 21. Rfe1 (21. Rad1 e4 22. Rd6 (22. Bh5 Qf6
23. Rfe1 Bf5 24. Nd4 Bh7 $17) 22... Be6 23. Bh5 Qf6 24. Nd2 Rfc8 25. Qb5 Qe5
26. Qxe5 Bxe5 $17) 21... a4 22. Na5 (22. Nd2 Bf5 23. Bxb7 Rab8 $17) 22... e4
23. Bxe4 Qg5 24. Qxg5 hxg5 $17) 20... a4 21. Nc5 Qxb2 22. Qc4 Bf5 23. Bxb7 (23.
Nxa4 Qa3 $17) 23... Ra5 24. Bc6 (24. Bd5 Qb5 $17) 24... a3 25. Nb3 Ra7 26. Rd2
Rc7 $17 *[/pgn]
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Re: Is EMAN the future number one?

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Glarean wrote: Tue Jun 09, 2020 12:17 am Match Eman vs Honey 27:23
Try now with Honey's Profound setting activated.
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Re: Is EMAN the future number one?

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Ovyron wrote: Tue Jun 09, 2020 3:04 am
Glarean wrote: Tue Jun 09, 2020 12:17 am Match Eman vs Honey 27:23
Try now with Honey's Profound setting activated.
I can run a more meaningful 1000 game set against the soon to be released Honey-XI-r2 with live updates here on talkchess with full pgn available- just tell me the the time control to use. Also I need a copy of Eman for a modern PC ( Threadripper CPU) If someone can put a copy on google drive or dropbox or and pm me the link that would be great.
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Re: Is EMAN the future number one?

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MikeB wrote: Tue Jun 09, 2020 6:16 am
Ovyron wrote: Tue Jun 09, 2020 3:04 am
Glarean wrote: Tue Jun 09, 2020 12:17 am Match Eman vs Honey 27:23
Try now with Honey's Profound setting activated.
I can run a more meaningful 1000 game set against the soon to be released Honey-XI-r2 with live updates here on talkchess with full pgn available- just tell me the the time control to use. Also I need a copy of Eman for a modern PC ( Threadripper CPU) If someone can put a copy on google drive or dropbox or and pm me the link that would be great.
Toss this engine into the fray while you are at it:
Taking ideas is not a vice, it is a virtue. We have another word for this. It is called learning.
But sharing ideas is an even greater virtue. We have another word for this. It is called teaching.
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Re: Is EMAN the future number one?

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MikeB wrote: Tue Jun 09, 2020 6:16 am
Ovyron wrote: Tue Jun 09, 2020 3:04 am
Glarean wrote: Tue Jun 09, 2020 12:17 am Match Eman vs Honey 27:23
Try now with Honey's Profound setting activated.
I can run a more meaningful 1000 game set against the soon to be released Honey-XI-r2 with live updates here on talkchess with full pgn available- just tell me the the time control to use. Also I need a copy of Eman for a modern PC ( Threadripper CPU) If someone can put a copy on google drive or dropbox or and pm me the link that would be great.
For Eman, you should contact the "author".
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Re: Is EMAN the future number one?

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Ovyron wrote: Mon Jun 08, 2020 1:25 am
collins1982 wrote: Mon Jun 08, 2020 12:26 am i have tried and tried but i cant download the Eman engine i cant find the link
See here:
http://talkchess.com/forum3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=74118
I don't know how skilled is Eman's author but he's an anti-piracy genius
Maybe he more than that...
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Re: Is EMAN the future number one?

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Dann Corbit wrote: Tue Jun 09, 2020 7:06 am
MikeB wrote: Tue Jun 09, 2020 6:16 am
Ovyron wrote: Tue Jun 09, 2020 3:04 am
Glarean wrote: Tue Jun 09, 2020 12:17 am Match Eman vs Honey 27:23
Try now with Honey's Profound setting activated.
I can run a more meaningful 1000 game set against the soon to be released Honey-XI-r2 with live updates here on talkchess with full pgn available- just tell me the the time control to use. Also I need a copy of Eman for a modern PC ( Threadripper CPU) If someone can put a copy on google drive or dropbox or and pm me the link that would be great.
Toss this engine into the fray while you are at it:
I do not have access to Eman, so I will run a public match between Honey-XI-r2 and Corchess by Ivan Ivec, who has created one of the best engines for chess analysis and who always willingly shared his creation with the chess engine aficionados community freely in the true spirit of open source software. I tip my hat to Ivan and all the many , many authors who have done likewise. You can always tell a man's heart by what he freely gives away and shares without any expectation of return.
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Re: Is EMAN the future number one?

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I have logging turned on by default so you will want to turn that off with UCI. I am getting really interesting results with solving problem sets that were previously very difficult.
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But sharing ideas is an even greater virtue. We have another word for this. It is called teaching.
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Re: Is EMAN the future number one?

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Dann Corbit wrote: Tue Jun 09, 2020 6:11 pm I have logging turned on by default so you will want to turn that off with UCI. I am getting really interesting results with solving problem sets that were previously very difficult.
A small match at time 5 min with 6 sec increment,

Honey-XIr2 ( this is the soon to be release)
cur-dev Stockfish
Bluefish-XIr2 ( also release version)
cur-dev- corchess (aka Corchess 6.0)

Both Honey and Bluefish are using Profound Analysis turned on with Pro Value value of 26.

Faster time controls have favored Stockfish, it's only when you get to 5 min plus 6 seconds that Profound Analysis shines in match play against SF. Ymmv of course. Hash 512M- single thread

Current Results:

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Current date : time (EDST)
Date: 06/09/20 : 13:03:11
Rank Name            Rating   Δ     +    -     #     Σ    Σ%     W    L    D   W%    =%   OppR 
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   1 Honey-XI-r2      3580   0.0   31   31    97   54.5  56.2   18    6   73  18.6  75.3  3540 
   2 stockfish        3567  12.3   31   31    98   52.5  53.6   18   11   69  18.4  70.4  3544 
   3 Bluefish-XI-r2   3537  30.0   31   31    98   46.5  47.4   10   15   73  10.2  74.5  3554 
   4 corchess         3516  21.7   30   30    97   41.5  42.8    4   18   75   4.1  77.3  3562 
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link:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/po89jovub1qcf ... a.txt?dl=0

games in pgn format:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/vaaqnok1gi8sn ... 1.pgn?dl=0
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Re: Is EMAN the future number one?

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I think Eman is the Houdini 7.
Houdart thought they work such a many on Stockfish problems the Houdini is fully his own work.
Khalid Omar said thanking to his work on Stockfish up to now there is no any connection between Stockfish and Eman, Eman is an independent chess engine created by him.