Live Chess 960 Match Dragon by Komodo Chess vs Stockfish 291120 (TC=90m+30s)(32 Threads)

[mwyoung]

Match update 1

Stockfish and Dragon are all even after 12 game of chess 960. +0 =12 -0.

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Still time for some decided games, but I could be wrong here. We might end up with another 50 draws.

Wow, 18 out of 18 games drawn now. I thought that chess960 led to significantly fewer draws than normal chess, it clearly does in human play and in CCRL testing. But apparently at this level it just doesn't make enough difference. Chess 960 (FRC) may be the solution to preparation, but it apparently is not the solution to the draw problem. I was a strong proponent of 960, but I may have to adjust my opinion.

Yes! NNUE is like the 6 gun of the old west. It makes all equal. The only difference I see is the pruning. And Stockfish my have the better of it here.

[jshriver]

The top ten 7 man tablebases.

What are the top 10 7 man syzygy egtbs? Nice job on the stream, I'm enjoying the game.

[mwyoung]

The top ten 7 man tablebases.

What are the top 10 7 man syzygy egtbs? Nice job on the stream, I'm enjoying the game.

You can Google them. Or to download them. Download banksiagui.com and go to tools.

[lkaufman]

Another draw.

Match update1

Stockfish leads by +1

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Amazing, only one decisive game out of forty, and this is chess 960, the supposed antidote to all the draws from the Berlin defense and other defenses analyzed to a draw! With such engines available to all, how does anyone play correspondence chess anymore?

[mwyoung]

Another draw.

Match update1

Stockfish leads by +1

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Amazing, only one decisive game out of forty, and this is chess 960, the supposed antidote to all the draws from the Berlin defense and other defenses analyzed to a draw! With such engines available to all, how does anyone play correspondence chess anymore?

It would be interesting to see at this level of play with today's best engine. And 90m + 30s and chess 960. If I double the processing power to one engine, what gains would be seen. My guess is not much.

That will be the next test.

[Nordlandia]

What about Dragon up against Stockfish Classic in FRC. The latter using contempt at -24.

[Modern Times]

Amazing, only one decisive game out of forty, and this is chess 960, the supposed antidote to all the draws from the Berlin defense and other defenses analyzed to a draw! With such engines available to all, how does anyone play correspondence chess anymore?

These engines are incredibly close in Elo, we have a long time control and big hardware. There were never going to be any miracles. I'd hoped for more than just one decided game though !

[mwyoung]

Amazing, only one decisive game out of forty, and this is chess 960, the supposed antidote to all the draws from the Berlin defense and other defenses analyzed to a draw! With such engines available to all, how does anyone play correspondence chess anymore?

These engines are incredibly close in Elo, we have a long time control and big hardware. There were never going to be any miracles. I'd hoped for more than just one decided game though !

Dragon is better in game 47...can Dragon convert this advantage to a win. I will update here.

[mwyoung]

Amazing, only one decisive game out of forty, and this is chess 960, the supposed antidote to all the draws from the Berlin defense and other defenses analyzed to a draw! With such engines available to all, how does anyone play correspondence chess anymore?

These engines are incredibly close in Elo, we have a long time control and big hardware. There were never going to be any miracles. I'd hoped for more than just one decided game though !

We are down to the last game. Playing game 50. Stockfish leads by +1 in 49 games.

NNUE is very strange. I am going to play Stockfish NNUE vs Stockfish NNUE. Same time controls, but give one Stockfish NNUE x2 the speed or time. And I have a feeling we will not see much gain. But this needs to be tested to see what is going on with the games with the NNUE engines.

[mwyoung]

End of Match.

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DESKTOP-CORSAIR, Slow 90.0min+30.0sec  0

                                         
1   Stockfish 291120                 +7  +1/=49/-0 51.00%   25.5/50
2   Dragon by Komodo Chess 64-bit    -7  +0/=49/-1 49.00%   24.5/50