Who is keeping track of the Cell Phone engines ratings ?

[MikeB]

Is there any place that Cell Phone latest Engines rating is kept Updated, and how far are they from computer Engines ratings, Are they within 200 ratings points from Single chip or one core computer

Most certainly, most high end phones will see 800 to 1000k/nps with SF NNUE based engine, that would be around 30 to 40% of a recent single core CPU. Clearly less than 200 Elo difference.

Is your black diamond Harmon version out ?

No. I had a special version for my grandchildren which would not be suitable for the group here, almost ready One option that I have added is that it's now possible to turn 50 move rule draw claim off - so depending on how much room you have for syzygy tablebases, in position below you will get the winning score instantly, may only be of interest who play by ICCF rules or for the curious.

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[M ANSARI]

I would be really interested to know what the strength of engines on mobile platforms are today, especially with NN now being available. I would think that NN is the equivalent of massive hardware boost, which should help the limited resources offered by mobile platform. If you consider that massive boost with the fact that mobile processing has also become very powerful, I think it would make a huge improvement and maybe the engines on mobile are already at or above 3200 ELO. I guess someone with an older setup (say quadcore) could play a manual game and test that. If I remember correctly Rybka 3 was around 3200 ELO on quadcore at that time ... would be an interesting matchup ... Rybka 3 on Quadcore vs. latest SF NNUE on Iphone 12! I have a feeling that this would be easily won by SF NNUE even on mobile platform.

[mwyoung]

I would be really interested to know what the strength of engines on mobile platforms are today, especially with NN now being available. I would think that NN is the equivalent of massive hardware boost, which should help the limited resources offered by mobile platform. If you consider that massive boost with the fact that mobile processing has also become very powerful, I think it would make a huge improvement and maybe the engines on mobile are already at or above 3200 ELO. I guess someone with an older setup (say quadcore) could play a manual game and test that. If I remember correctly Rybka 3 was around 3200 ELO on quadcore at that time ... would be an interesting matchup ... Rybka 3 on Quadcore vs. latest SF NNUE on Iphone 12! I have a feeling that this would be easily won by SF NNUE even on mobile platform.

There is no reason you need a cell phone to play the games. And play the games manually.Think outside the box. Stockfish is Stockfish on a phone or pc. What matters is the speed.

And to accurately determain the speed of a cell phone cpu. So you can make a equivalent mobile equivalent on your pc. You would most diffently would not want to use nodes per second.

You would need to dial in the speed using time to depth.

I will run such a test. And would be shocked if Stockfish is only 3200 Elo.

And we have a better version of Rybka with a very good ccrl rating called Fritz 17. Rybka 3 would be much too weak.

[mwyoung]

I would be really interested to know what the strength of engines on mobile platforms are today, especially with NN now being available. I would think that NN is the equivalent of massive hardware boost, which should help the limited resources offered by mobile platform. If you consider that massive boost with the fact that mobile processing has also become very powerful, I think it would make a huge improvement and maybe the engines on mobile are already at or above 3200 ELO. I guess someone with an older setup (say quadcore) could play a manual game and test that. If I remember correctly Rybka 3 was around 3200 ELO on quadcore at that time ... would be an interesting matchup ... Rybka 3 on Quadcore vs. latest SF NNUE on Iphone 12! I have a feeling that this would be easily won by SF NNUE even on mobile platform.

There is no reason you need a cell phone to play the games. And play the games manually.Think outside the box. Stockfish is Stockfish on a phone or pc. What matters is the speed.

And to accurately determain the speed of a cell phone cpu. So you can make a equivalent mobile equivalent on your pc. You would most diffently would not want to use nodes per second.

You would need to dial in the speed using time to depth.

I will run such a test. And would be shocked if Stockfish is only 3200 Elo.

And we have a better version of Rybka with a very good ccrl rating called Fritz 17. Rybka 3 would be much too weak.

The test is running.

Here is the setup.

TC=3m+2s

Fritz 17 on 4 CPU's with TB's 6 man. CCRL Rating = Fritz 17 64-bit 4CPU 3381

PC equivalent version of Droidfish running Stockfish 280920.
Using a Samsung S20 Ultra 8 cores = 2 PC cores on a AMD 2950x.
I have no table bases on my phone. So Stockfish has no table bases in this test.

Results will be posted......

[MMarco]

I would be really interested to know what the strength of engines on mobile platforms are today, especially with NN now being available. I would think that NN is the equivalent of massive hardware boost, which should help the limited resources offered by mobile platform. If you consider that massive boost with the fact that mobile processing has also become very powerful, I think it would make a huge improvement and maybe the engines on mobile are already at or above 3200 ELO. I guess someone with an older setup (say quadcore) could play a manual game and test that. If I remember correctly Rybka 3 was around 3200 ELO on quadcore at that time ... would be an interesting matchup ... Rybka 3 on Quadcore vs. latest SF NNUE on Iphone 12! I have a feeling that this would be easily won by SF NNUE even on mobile platform.

Today best smarphones are easily faster than one core on a pc. At CCRL, Stockfish 12 one thread is rated 3639 ( https://ccrl.chessdom.com/ccrl/404/cgi/ ... ons_only=1 ). So 3600 would be a bare minimum, given that you don't encounter thermal problems, i.e. my phone slows down a lot when I use all eight cores for a long time.

[mwyoung]

I would be really interested to know what the strength of engines on mobile platforms are today, especially with NN now being available. I would think that NN is the equivalent of massive hardware boost, which should help the limited resources offered by mobile platform. If you consider that massive boost with the fact that mobile processing has also become very powerful, I think it would make a huge improvement and maybe the engines on mobile are already at or above 3200 ELO. I guess someone with an older setup (say quadcore) could play a manual game and test that. If I remember correctly Rybka 3 was around 3200 ELO on quadcore at that time ... would be an interesting matchup ... Rybka 3 on Quadcore vs. latest SF NNUE on Iphone 12! I have a feeling that this would be easily won by SF NNUE even on mobile platform.

There is no reason you need a cell phone to play the games. And play the games manually.Think outside the box. Stockfish is Stockfish on a phone or pc. What matters is the speed.

And to accurately determain the speed of a cell phone cpu. So you can make a equivalent mobile equivalent on your pc. You would most diffently would not want to use nodes per second.

You would need to dial in the speed using time to depth.

I will run such a test. And would be shocked if Stockfish is only 3200 Elo.

And we have a better version of Rybka with a very good ccrl rating called Fritz 17. Rybka 3 would be much too weak.

The test is running.

Here is the setup.

TC=3m+2s

Fritz 17 on 4 CPU's with TB's 6 man. CCRL Rating = Fritz 17 64-bit 4CPU 3381

PC equivalent version of Droidfish running Stockfish 280920.
Using a Samsung S20 Ultra 8 cores = 2 PC cores on a AMD 2950x.
I have no table bases on my phone. So Stockfish has no table bases in this test.

Results will be posted......

"Who is keeping track of the Cell Phone engines ratings ?"

CCRL is keeping track, or any testing site that tests with 1 core.
1 core test results will be a very good analog for many many smart phones, and tablets running at full power.


My results

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DESKTOP-CORSAIR, Blitz 3.0min+2.0sec  0

                            
1   Stockfish 280920  +331  +40/=14/-0 87.04%   47.0/54
2   Fritz 17 Popcnt   -331  +0/=14/-40 12.96%    7.0/54

CCRL results Fritz 17 (4 cores) vs SF 12 (1 core)

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 Stockfish 12 64-bit 8CPU	3692	+15
−14	(+311)	7.5 − 83.5
(+0−76=15)

Now lets get shocked again. Let us see how my smartphone S20 Ultra running Droidfish will perform against Dragon at full power (32 threads).

[Chessqueen]

I would be really interested to know what the strength of engines on mobile platforms are today, especially with NN now being available. I would think that NN is the equivalent of massive hardware boost, which should help the limited resources offered by mobile platform. If you consider that massive boost with the fact that mobile processing has also become very powerful, I think it would make a huge improvement and maybe the engines on mobile are already at or above 3200 ELO. I guess someone with an older setup (say quadcore) could play a manual game and test that. If I remember correctly Rybka 3 was around 3200 ELO on quadcore at that time ... would be an interesting matchup ... Rybka 3 on Quadcore vs. latest SF NNUE on Iphone 12! I have a feeling that this would be easily won by SF NNUE even on mobile platform.

There is no reason you need a cell phone to play the games. And play the games manually.Think outside the box. Stockfish is Stockfish on a phone or pc. What matters is the speed.

And to accurately determain the speed of a cell phone cpu. So you can make a equivalent mobile equivalent on your pc. You would most diffently would not want to use nodes per second.

You would need to dial in the speed using time to depth.

I will run such a test. And would be shocked if Stockfish is only 3200 Elo.

And we have a better version of Rybka with a very good ccrl rating called Fritz 17. Rybka 3 would be much too weak.

The test is running.

Here is the setup.

TC=3m+2s

Fritz 17 on 4 CPU's with TB's 6 man. CCRL Rating = Fritz 17 64-bit 4CPU 3381

PC equivalent version of Droidfish running Stockfish 280920.
Using a Samsung S20 Ultra 8 cores = 2 PC cores on a AMD 2950x.
I have no table bases on my phone. So Stockfish has no table bases in this test.

Results will be posted......

"Who is keeping track of the Cell Phone engines ratings ?"

CCRL is keeping track, or any testing site that tests with 1 core.
1 core test results will be a very good analog for many many smart phones, and tablets running at full power.


My results

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DESKTOP-CORSAIR, Blitz 3.0min+2.0sec  0

                            
1   Stockfish 280920  +331  +40/=14/-0 87.04%   47.0/54
2   Fritz 17 Popcnt   -331  +0/=14/-40 12.96%    7.0/54

CCRL results Fritz 17 (4 cores) vs SF 12 (1 core)

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 Stockfish 12 64-bit 8CPU	3692	+15
−14	(+311)	7.5 − 83.5
(+0−76=15)

Now lets get shocked again. Let us see how my smartphone S20 Ultra running Droidfish will perform against Dragon at full power (32 threads).

And where can I test Dragon at 16 thread is there a Website available, my daughter also got a Samsung Galaxy S20 from her grandmother for Christmas

[mwyoung]

I would be really interested to know what the strength of engines on mobile platforms are today, especially with NN now being available. I would think that NN is the equivalent of massive hardware boost, which should help the limited resources offered by mobile platform. If you consider that massive boost with the fact that mobile processing has also become very powerful, I think it would make a huge improvement and maybe the engines on mobile are already at or above 3200 ELO. I guess someone with an older setup (say quadcore) could play a manual game and test that. If I remember correctly Rybka 3 was around 3200 ELO on quadcore at that time ... would be an interesting matchup ... Rybka 3 on Quadcore vs. latest SF NNUE on Iphone 12! I have a feeling that this would be easily won by SF NNUE even on mobile platform.

There is no reason you need a cell phone to play the games. And play the games manually.Think outside the box. Stockfish is Stockfish on a phone or pc. What matters is the speed.

And to accurately determain the speed of a cell phone cpu. So you can make a equivalent mobile equivalent on your pc. You would most diffently would not want to use nodes per second.

You would need to dial in the speed using time to depth.

I will run such a test. And would be shocked if Stockfish is only 3200 Elo.

And we have a better version of Rybka with a very good ccrl rating called Fritz 17. Rybka 3 would be much too weak.

The test is running.

Here is the setup.

TC=3m+2s

Fritz 17 on 4 CPU's with TB's 6 man. CCRL Rating = Fritz 17 64-bit 4CPU 3381

PC equivalent version of Droidfish running Stockfish 280920.
Using a Samsung S20 Ultra 8 cores = 2 PC cores on a AMD 2950x.
I have no table bases on my phone. So Stockfish has no table bases in this test.

Results will be posted......

"Who is keeping track of the Cell Phone engines ratings ?"

CCRL is keeping track, or any testing site that tests with 1 core.
1 core test results will be a very good analog for many many smart phones, and tablets running at full power.
Correction
Fritz 17 4 cores vs SF 12 1 core.

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   Stockfish 12 64-bit	3639	+15
−14	(+258)

My results

Code: Select all

DESKTOP-CORSAIR, Blitz 3.0min+2.0sec  0

                            
1   Stockfish 280920  +331  +40/=14/-0 87.04%   47.0/54
2   Fritz 17 Popcnt   -331  +0/=14/-40 12.96%    7.0/54

CCRL results Fritz 17 (4 cores) vs SF 12 (1 core)

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 Stockfish 12 64-bit 8CPU	3692	+15
−14	(+311)	7.5 − 83.5
(+0−76=15)

Now lets get shocked again. Let us see how my smartphone S20 Ultra running Droidfish will perform against Dragon at full power (32 threads).

And where can I test Dragon at 16 thread is there a Website available, my daughter also got a Samsung Galaxy S20 from her grandmother for Christmas

Live Chess Match Stockfish 280920 (2 cores, No TB) vs Dragon(32 Threads) (TC=3m+2s)
Live Stream:

[Chessqueen]

I would be really interested to know what the strength of engines on mobile platforms are today, especially with NN now being available. I would think that NN is the equivalent of massive hardware boost, which should help the limited resources offered by mobile platform. If you consider that massive boost with the fact that mobile processing has also become very powerful, I think it would make a huge improvement and maybe the engines on mobile are already at or above 3200 ELO. I guess someone with an older setup (say quadcore) could play a manual game and test that. If I remember correctly Rybka 3 was around 3200 ELO on quadcore at that time ... would be an interesting matchup ... Rybka 3 on Quadcore vs. latest SF NNUE on Iphone 12! I have a feeling that this would be easily won by SF NNUE even on mobile platform.

There is no reason you need a cell phone to play the games. And play the games manually.Think outside the box. Stockfish is Stockfish on a phone or pc. What matters is the speed.

And to accurately determain the speed of a cell phone cpu. So you can make a equivalent mobile equivalent on your pc. You would most diffently would not want to use nodes per second.

You would need to dial in the speed using time to depth.

I will run such a test. And would be shocked if Stockfish is only 3200 Elo.

And we have a better version of Rybka with a very good ccrl rating called Fritz 17. Rybka 3 would be much too weak.

The test is running.

Here is the setup.

TC=3m+2s

Fritz 17 on 4 CPU's with TB's 6 man. CCRL Rating = Fritz 17 64-bit 4CPU 3381

PC equivalent version of Droidfish running Stockfish 280920.
Using a Samsung S20 Ultra 8 cores = 2 PC cores on a AMD 2950x.
I have no table bases on my phone. So Stockfish has no table bases in this test.

Results will be posted......

"Who is keeping track of the Cell Phone engines ratings ?"

CCRL is keeping track, or any testing site that tests with 1 core.
1 core test results will be a very good analog for many many smart phones, and tablets running at full power.
Correction
Fritz 17 4 cores vs SF 12 1 core.

Code: Select all

   Stockfish 12 64-bit	3639	+15
−14	(+258)

My results

Code: Select all

DESKTOP-CORSAIR, Blitz 3.0min+2.0sec  0

                            
1   Stockfish 280920  +331  +40/=14/-0 87.04%   47.0/54
2   Fritz 17 Popcnt   -331  +0/=14/-40 12.96%    7.0/54

CCRL results Fritz 17 (4 cores) vs SF 12 (1 core)

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 Stockfish 12 64-bit 8CPU	3692	+15
−14	(+311)	7.5 − 83.5
(+0−76=15)

Now lets get shocked again. Let us see how my smartphone S20 Ultra running Droidfish will perform against Dragon at full power (32 threads).

Live Chess Match Stockfish 280920 (2 cores, No TB) vs Dragon(32 Threads) (TC=3m+2s)
Live Stream:

I can NOT follow who is winning, but I believe that Komodo Dragon on 32 threads is way faster than Droidfish on 2 cores, probably Komodo Dragon on 16 threads would be more reasonable or an even match. I might be wrong but what is the score so far. And since you are NOT using tablebase on Droidfish, you should NOT use TB for Komodo Dragon as well

[mwyoung]

I would be really interested to know what the strength of engines on mobile platforms are today, especially with NN now being available. I would think that NN is the equivalent of massive hardware boost, which should help the limited resources offered by mobile platform. If you consider that massive boost with the fact that mobile processing has also become very powerful, I think it would make a huge improvement and maybe the engines on mobile are already at or above 3200 ELO. I guess someone with an older setup (say quadcore) could play a manual game and test that. If I remember correctly Rybka 3 was around 3200 ELO on quadcore at that time ... would be an interesting matchup ... Rybka 3 on Quadcore vs. latest SF NNUE on Iphone 12! I have a feeling that this would be easily won by SF NNUE even on mobile platform.

There is no reason you need a cell phone to play the games. And play the games manually.Think outside the box. Stockfish is Stockfish on a phone or pc. What matters is the speed.

And to accurately determain the speed of a cell phone cpu. So you can make a equivalent mobile equivalent on your pc. You would most diffently would not want to use nodes per second.

You would need to dial in the speed using time to depth.

I will run such a test. And would be shocked if Stockfish is only 3200 Elo.

And we have a better version of Rybka with a very good ccrl rating called Fritz 17. Rybka 3 would be much too weak.

The test is running.

Here is the setup.

TC=3m+2s

Fritz 17 on 4 CPU's with TB's 6 man. CCRL Rating = Fritz 17 64-bit 4CPU 3381

PC equivalent version of Droidfish running Stockfish 280920.
Using a Samsung S20 Ultra 8 cores = 2 PC cores on a AMD 2950x.
I have no table bases on my phone. So Stockfish has no table bases in this test.

Results will be posted......

"Who is keeping track of the Cell Phone engines ratings ?"

CCRL is keeping track, or any testing site that tests with 1 core.
1 core test results will be a very good analog for many many smart phones, and tablets running at full power.
Correction
Fritz 17 4 cores vs SF 12 1 core.

Code: Select all

   Stockfish 12 64-bit	3639	+15
−14	(+258)

My results

Code: Select all

DESKTOP-CORSAIR, Blitz 3.0min+2.0sec  0

                            
1   Stockfish 280920  +331  +40/=14/-0 87.04%   47.0/54
2   Fritz 17 Popcnt   -331  +0/=14/-40 12.96%    7.0/54

CCRL results Fritz 17 (4 cores) vs SF 12 (1 core)

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 Stockfish 12 64-bit 8CPU	3692	+15
−14	(+311)	7.5 − 83.5
(+0−76=15)

Now lets get shocked again. Let us see how my smartphone S20 Ultra running Droidfish will perform against Dragon at full power (32 threads).

Live Chess Match Stockfish 280920 (2 cores, No TB) vs Dragon(32 Threads) (TC=3m+2s)
Live Stream:

I can NOT follow who is winning, but I believe that Komodo Dragon on 32 threads is way faster than Droidfish on 2 cores, probably Komodo Dragon on 16 threads would be more reasonable or an even match. I might be wrong but what is the score so far. And since you are NOT using tablebase on Droidfish, you should NOT use TB for Komodo Dragon as well

Stockfish 2 cpu vs Komodo 32 threads. +0 =28 -3 -34 Elo....