How many of you believe that Stockfish 12 or Komodo can give a rook Odds to a 1450 engine ?

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Re: How many of you believe that Stockfish 12 or Komodo can give a rook Odds to a 1450 engine ?

Post by Chessqueen »

lkaufman wrote: Fri Feb 26, 2021 4:28 am
Chessqueen wrote: Fri Feb 26, 2021 3:39 am Here is a knight Odds very tactical game against BiKJump rated 2103


[pgn][Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "DESKTOP-OFQ3C0P"]
[Date "2021.02.25"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Komodo-13.3-64bit"]
[Black "Bikjump"]
[Result "1-0"]
[BlackElo "2103"]
[Time "19:57:47"]
[WhiteElo "3470"]
[TimeControl "6000+5"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "77"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]

1. Nf3 Nc6 2. e4 d5 3. e5 Bg4 4. d4 Bxf3 5. gxf3 Qd7 6. c3 O-O-O 7. b4 e6
8. Bd3 f6 9. f4 Nh6 10. O-O Nf5 11. a4 Be7 12. a5 Rdf8 13. b5 Nb8 14. f3
fxe5 15. fxe5 c5 16. Rb1 cxd4 17. cxd4 Qc7 18. b6 axb6 19. axb6 Qc6 20. Rf2
Nxd4 21. Be3 Bc5 22. Kh1 Kd8 23. Ra2 Nxf3 24. Bb5 Qxb6 25. Be2 Qc6 26. Bxc5
Qxc5 27. Bxf3 Qc6 28. Ra8 Ke7 29. Ra7 Rd8 30. Qg1 Kf8 31. Raxb7 Nd7 32. Rf1
Kg8 33. Qg5 Re8 34. Bh5 Qa6 35. Rg1 g6 36. Bxg6 Kf8 37. Qh6+ Ke7 38. Qg7+
Kd8 39. Qxd7# 1-0[/pgn]
Actually I have played Bikjump (on my super-fast i-9 10 core 20 thread laptop), and while I may have scored in Rapid, I have very little chance in blitz or near-blitz (10' + 5") against it. Yet I will score much better than Bikjump taking knight odds from Dragon. This is what I'm talking about. I know to "keep it simple" when up a knight, Bikjump doesn't know that.
Based on that information, what are the chances that Dragon which is 2 versions more advanced than Komodo 13.3 can defeat GM Nakamura with a Knight Odds at Bullet chess ? Would you say 65% :roll: Here are 9 games Vs Magnus Carlsen at Bullet Fischer random, but of course Fischer Random is another story altogether and I believe Carlsen is better than Nakamura at standard Bullet chess. .
It is almost unbelievable how these GMs make great moves at a lightning speed
I am ready to swap brain with Stockfish chip. https://www.facebook.com/share/iHzQpSjc ... tid=oFDknk
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Re: How many of you believe that Stockfish 12 or Komodo can give a rook Odds to a 1450 engine ?

Post by lkaufman »

Chessqueen wrote: Fri Feb 26, 2021 2:53 pm
lkaufman wrote: Fri Feb 26, 2021 4:28 am
Chessqueen wrote: Fri Feb 26, 2021 3:39 am Here is a knight Odds very tactical game against BiKJump rated 2103


[pgn][Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "DESKTOP-OFQ3C0P"]
[Date "2021.02.25"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Komodo-13.3-64bit"]
[Black "Bikjump"]
[Result "1-0"]
[BlackElo "2103"]
[Time "19:57:47"]
[WhiteElo "3470"]
[TimeControl "6000+5"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "77"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]

1. Nf3 Nc6 2. e4 d5 3. e5 Bg4 4. d4 Bxf3 5. gxf3 Qd7 6. c3 O-O-O 7. b4 e6
8. Bd3 f6 9. f4 Nh6 10. O-O Nf5 11. a4 Be7 12. a5 Rdf8 13. b5 Nb8 14. f3
fxe5 15. fxe5 c5 16. Rb1 cxd4 17. cxd4 Qc7 18. b6 axb6 19. axb6 Qc6 20. Rf2
Nxd4 21. Be3 Bc5 22. Kh1 Kd8 23. Ra2 Nxf3 24. Bb5 Qxb6 25. Be2 Qc6 26. Bxc5
Qxc5 27. Bxf3 Qc6 28. Ra8 Ke7 29. Ra7 Rd8 30. Qg1 Kf8 31. Raxb7 Nd7 32. Rf1
Kg8 33. Qg5 Re8 34. Bh5 Qa6 35. Rg1 g6 36. Bxg6 Kf8 37. Qh6+ Ke7 38. Qg7+
Kd8 39. Qxd7# 1-0[/pgn]
Actually I have played Bikjump (on my super-fast i-9 10 core 20 thread laptop), and while I may have scored in Rapid, I have very little chance in blitz or near-blitz (10' + 5") against it. Yet I will score much better than Bikjump taking knight odds from Dragon. This is what I'm talking about. I know to "keep it simple" when up a knight, Bikjump doesn't know that.
Based on that information, what are the chances that Dragon which is 2 versions more advanced than Komodo 13.3 can defeat GM Nakamura with a Knight Odds at Bullet chess ? Would you say 65% :roll: Here are 9 games Vs Magnus Carlsen at Bullet Fischer random, but of course Fischer Random is another story altogether and I believe Carlsen is better than Nakamura at standard Bullet chess. .
It is almost unbelievable how these GMs make great moves at a lightning speed
When you say Bullet chess, you need to specify 1-0, 1-1, or 2-1, that is critical for engine vs human handicap play. Since the above mentioned Naka vs Carlsen games were apparently 1' + 1", I suppose that's what you mean. It's pretty easy to make draws up a knight even at 1' + 1" (for a top player), since Dragon will normally repeat if still down at least two pawns, so I think that any knight odds match should be Armageddon knight odds, where the player with the extra knight loses in case of a draw. With that rule, I would rate Dragon as the favorite at 1' + 1", while I would rate Nakamura as the favorite at 2' + 1". But I don't have much to go on. I may be underestimating Naka, he might well come out ahead at 1' + 1".
Komodo rules!
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Re: How many of you believe that Stockfish 12 or Komodo can give a rook Odds to a 1450 engine ?

Post by Chessqueen »

lkaufman wrote: Fri Feb 26, 2021 5:06 pm
Chessqueen wrote: Fri Feb 26, 2021 2:53 pm
lkaufman wrote: Fri Feb 26, 2021 4:28 am
Chessqueen wrote: Fri Feb 26, 2021 3:39 am Here is a knight Odds very tactical game against BiKJump rated 2103


[pgn][Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "DESKTOP-OFQ3C0P"]
[Date "2021.02.25"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Komodo-13.3-64bit"]
[Black "Bikjump"]
[Result "1-0"]
[BlackElo "2103"]
[Time "19:57:47"]
[WhiteElo "3470"]
[TimeControl "6000+5"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "77"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]

1. Nf3 Nc6 2. e4 d5 3. e5 Bg4 4. d4 Bxf3 5. gxf3 Qd7 6. c3 O-O-O 7. b4 e6
8. Bd3 f6 9. f4 Nh6 10. O-O Nf5 11. a4 Be7 12. a5 Rdf8 13. b5 Nb8 14. f3
fxe5 15. fxe5 c5 16. Rb1 cxd4 17. cxd4 Qc7 18. b6 axb6 19. axb6 Qc6 20. Rf2
Nxd4 21. Be3 Bc5 22. Kh1 Kd8 23. Ra2 Nxf3 24. Bb5 Qxb6 25. Be2 Qc6 26. Bxc5
Qxc5 27. Bxf3 Qc6 28. Ra8 Ke7 29. Ra7 Rd8 30. Qg1 Kf8 31. Raxb7 Nd7 32. Rf1
Kg8 33. Qg5 Re8 34. Bh5 Qa6 35. Rg1 g6 36. Bxg6 Kf8 37. Qh6+ Ke7 38. Qg7+
Kd8 39. Qxd7# 1-0[/pgn]
Actually I have played Bikjump (on my super-fast i-9 10 core 20 thread laptop), and while I may have scored in Rapid, I have very little chance in blitz or near-blitz (10' + 5") against it. Yet I will score much better than Bikjump taking knight odds from Dragon. This is what I'm talking about. I know to "keep it simple" when up a knight, Bikjump doesn't know that.
Based on that information, what are the chances that Dragon which is 2 versions more advanced than Komodo 13.3 can defeat GM Nakamura with a Knight Odds at Bullet chess ? Would you say 65% :roll: Here are 9 games Vs Magnus Carlsen at Bullet Fischer random, but of course Fischer Random is another story altogether and I believe Carlsen is better than Nakamura at standard Bullet chess. .
It is almost unbelievable how these GMs make great moves at a lightning speed
When you say Bullet chess, you need to specify 1-0, 1-1, or 2-1, that is critical for engine vs human handicap play. Since the above mentioned Naka vs Carlsen games were apparently 1' + 1", I suppose that's what you mean. It's pretty easy to make draws up a knight even at 1' + 1" (for a top player), since Dragon will normally repeat if still down at least two pawns, so I think that any knight odds match should be Armageddon knight odds, where the player with the extra knight loses in case of a draw. With that rule, I would rate Dragon as the favorite at 1' + 1", while I would rate Nakamura as the favorite at 2' + 1". But I don't have much to go on. I may be underestimating Naka, he might well come out ahead at 1' + 1".
Bullet chess 1-0 no Inc with Knight Odds, I favour Dragon, at 1-1 still Dragon, but at 2-0 or over GM Nakamura with a Knight could give Dragon a great challenge :roll:
I am ready to swap brain with Stockfish chip. https://www.facebook.com/share/iHzQpSjc ... tid=oFDknk
Chessqueen
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Re: How many of you believe that Stockfish 12 or Komodo can give a rook Odds to a 1450 engine ?

Post by Chessqueen »

Chessqueen wrote: Fri Feb 26, 2021 5:18 pm
lkaufman wrote: Fri Feb 26, 2021 5:06 pm
Chessqueen wrote: Fri Feb 26, 2021 2:53 pm
lkaufman wrote: Fri Feb 26, 2021 4:28 am
Chessqueen wrote: Fri Feb 26, 2021 3:39 am Here is a knight Odds very tactical game against BiKJump rated 2103


[pgn][Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "DESKTOP-OFQ3C0P"]
[Date "2021.02.25"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Komodo-13.3-64bit"]
[Black "Bikjump"]
[Result "1-0"]
[BlackElo "2103"]
[Time "19:57:47"]
[WhiteElo "3470"]
[TimeControl "6000+5"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[Termination "normal"]
[PlyCount "77"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]

1. Nf3 Nc6 2. e4 d5 3. e5 Bg4 4. d4 Bxf3 5. gxf3 Qd7 6. c3 O-O-O 7. b4 e6
8. Bd3 f6 9. f4 Nh6 10. O-O Nf5 11. a4 Be7 12. a5 Rdf8 13. b5 Nb8 14. f3
fxe5 15. fxe5 c5 16. Rb1 cxd4 17. cxd4 Qc7 18. b6 axb6 19. axb6 Qc6 20. Rf2
Nxd4 21. Be3 Bc5 22. Kh1 Kd8 23. Ra2 Nxf3 24. Bb5 Qxb6 25. Be2 Qc6 26. Bxc5
Qxc5 27. Bxf3 Qc6 28. Ra8 Ke7 29. Ra7 Rd8 30. Qg1 Kf8 31. Raxb7 Nd7 32. Rf1
Kg8 33. Qg5 Re8 34. Bh5 Qa6 35. Rg1 g6 36. Bxg6 Kf8 37. Qh6+ Ke7 38. Qg7+
Kd8 39. Qxd7# 1-0[/pgn]
Actually I have played Bikjump (on my super-fast i-9 10 core 20 thread laptop), and while I may have scored in Rapid, I have very little chance in blitz or near-blitz (10' + 5") against it. Yet I will score much better than Bikjump taking knight odds from Dragon. This is what I'm talking about. I know to "keep it simple" when up a knight, Bikjump doesn't know that.
Based on that information, what are the chances that Dragon which is 2 versions more advanced than Komodo 13.3 can defeat GM Nakamura with a Knight Odds at Bullet chess ? Would you say 65% :roll: Here are 9 games Vs Magnus Carlsen at Bullet Fischer random, but of course Fischer Random is another story altogether and I believe Carlsen is better than Nakamura at standard Bullet chess. .
It is almost unbelievable how these GMs make great moves at a lightning speed
When you say Bullet chess, you need to specify 1-0, 1-1, or 2-1, that is critical for engine vs human handicap play. Since the above mentioned Naka vs Carlsen games were apparently 1' + 1", I suppose that's what you mean. It's pretty easy to make draws up a knight even at 1' + 1" (for a top player), since Dragon will normally repeat if still down at least two pawns, so I think that any knight odds match should be Armageddon knight odds, where the player with the extra knight loses in case of a draw. With that rule, I would rate Dragon as the favorite at 1' + 1", while I would rate Nakamura as the favorite at 2' + 1". But I don't have much to go on. I may be underestimating Naka, he might well come out ahead at 1' + 1".
At Bullet chess 1-0 with no Inc I favour Dragon and still at 1-1, but at 2-0 or over GM Nakamura with a Knight Odds could give Dragon a great challenge, Sorry for NOT explaining myself better. This is what I believe, but we can only find out next time you arrange GM Nakamura to play Vs Dragon :roll:
I am ready to swap brain with Stockfish chip. https://www.facebook.com/share/iHzQpSjc ... tid=oFDknk