Moderator: Ras
Maybe you're right, if you know everything that is to know about chess programming.
Suppose I was from Belgium, and I started my new project by executing the following command in a terminal:dkappe wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 10:12 pm As the author of several of these “clones,” I’m not comfortable with this term. None of them play like each other or like stockfish. Let’s face it, the age of exchangeable networks came with leela and now with nnue has turned most ab engines into nnue “players.” “Clone” was always a pejorative term rather than a diagnostic one and has become even more meaningless with nets. Unless you can say what “clone” actually means, I’d leave the name calling in the past.
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$ git clone https://github.com/Official-Stockfish/Stockfish
$ cd Stockfish
$ git remote add upstream <my secret repo>
$ git push -u upstream masterTechnically, you are talking about an illusionist-and-stunt-performer.AndrewGrant wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 11:56 pmSuppose I was from Belgium, and I started my new project by executing the following command in a terminal:dkappe wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 10:12 pm As the author of several of these “clones,” I’m not comfortable with this term. None of them play like each other or like stockfish. Let’s face it, the age of exchangeable networks came with leela and now with nnue has turned most ab engines into nnue “players.” “Clone” was always a pejorative term rather than a diagnostic one and has become even more meaningless with nets. Unless you can say what “clone” actually means, I’d leave the name calling in the past.
Would there be a technical word to describe the origins of this project?Code: Select all
$ git clone https://github.com/Official-Stockfish/Stockfish $ cd Stockfish $ git remote add upstream <my secret repo> $ git push -u upstream master
what do you want then?
who said "boycott"???? I just asked for voices to be heard and we did hear from a few which was good and I appreciate that , but overall ,the response was timid - so I don't think people really care - which is fine.mar wrote: ↑Wed Mar 10, 2021 4:46 pmwhat do you want then?
I expressed my opinion on several occasions so it's clear (argued with Graham, went too far).
FF2? yes, not happy about it. legal? yes
boycotting CCRL? nonsense
I'm not sure why you of all people are so upset about FF2, considering you made more (legit) SF clones than anyone else.
ok, sorry, I believe it was Andrew who called for a boycott, not you.
The engine is a fork of Stockfish that you can buy from Chessbase, it comes with the latest Fritz GUI. It also comes with a unique net (NNUE) by Albert Silver and some helpers that is not available anywhere else. The net size is about double the standard SF 20MB size net. There are several threads on this forum and the origin forum ( must be a member to view, and I know you are, but just in case anyone visiting this site s not aware) . In total, we see no more than just a few lines of code changed. If there are more lines of code changed, we are not aware of them. I actually suspect there may be, but I am a trained skeptic and from Missouri, you must show me for me to believe. And if there are more lines of code changed from Stockfish and they have not shared those lines of code, then they clearly violated the SF GPL license.
it's not so much unique because it's double the Sf size, butIt also comes with a unique net (NNUE) by Albert Silver and some helpers that is not available anywhere else. The net size is about double the standard SF 20MB size net.