M2 is incoming in July.
If they get it on bigger machines the horrible thermal throttling may be addressed
https://www.fudzilla.com/news/pc-hardwa ... ase-for-m2
M1 Apple Silicon for Chess?
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AlexChess
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Re: M1 Apple Silicon for Chess?
Most Stockfish derivates are better than the original, but ONLY open sources are useful to improve all top engines on all OSs
32 BEST ENGINES Blitz 3 mins + 3 secs 4CPUs on Windows 10 ARM64 under Parallels Desktop 16.3 M1
Many thanks and congratulations to MikeB: Honey v.13.1 is 3° & Black Diamonds v13.1 is 5°, waiting native versions for Silicon M1 and Ubuntu ARM64 | Raspberry Pi4.
32 BEST ENGINES Blitz 3 mins + 3 secs 4CPUs on Windows 10 ARM64 under Parallels Desktop 16.3 M1
Many thanks and congratulations to MikeB: Honey v.13.1 is 3° & Black Diamonds v13.1 is 5°, waiting native versions for Silicon M1 and Ubuntu ARM64 | Raspberry Pi4.
Chess engines and dedicated chess computers fan since 1981 
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AlexChess
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Re: M1 Apple Silicon for Chess?
Interesting. Fan starts to increase 1700 RPM only at 90° Celsius. So I fear to use all 8 CPUs. It would be better to start at 70°, but TG Pro fan utility on my system is blocked by T2 chip. Moving speed bar or selecting manual, nothing changes!Werewolf wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 2:35 pm M2 is incoming in July.
If they get it on bigger machines the horrible thermal throttling may be addressed
https://www.fudzilla.com/news/pc-hardwa ... ase-for-m2
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jshriver
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Re: M1 Apple Silicon for Chess?
Truly conflicted, as i received my refund today but also saw the m2 in a few months.
Im not planning to use for day in computer, so what would you do? I can buy a m1 mini right now for $669 and prob start compiling this weekend. Should I wait a few more months for something better for same ?
What Ive read m1 is m1 and for low end, only the m2 or m12x will be the higher end computers so never hit mini's. What have you seen?
Im not planning to use for day in computer, so what would you do? I can buy a m1 mini right now for $669 and prob start compiling this weekend. Should I wait a few more months for something better for same ?
What Ive read m1 is m1 and for low end, only the m2 or m12x will be the higher end computers so never hit mini's. What have you seen?
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AlexChess
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Re: M1 Apple Silicon for Chess?
Hi Josh!
I'm happy now with my 699$ Mac mini M1 8GB-256GB, but I would not buy a iMac M1, a Macbook Air M1 (without fan) or a Pro M1 paying a lot more. I have fixed all my issues: the main was the early consumption of the internal soldered SSD (16% lost in 3 months) : installed BS on a 512 GB external fast USB 3.1 Samsung T5 SSD. An other issue: frequent crashes due to Kernel Panics (probable overflow every 4-8 hours!) ...Installing Big Sur 11.3 RC (now final) completely solved my issue (1 week, no crashes). Last one was related to high temperatures: 90+° Celsius with 8 CPUs, then throttling. Using 4 CPUs for heavy tasks is OK,, while searching an utility that let me to increase fan speed from 1700 to 2000 RPMs. If you don't monitor fan and SSD, you simply think that it's all OK... until you broke the M1 and you cannot repair it due to soldered components
, when your warranty will end.
M2? If the hardware architecture will be the same, you will have the same issues paying much more, for an 85% speed improvement (rumors say) . I'll consider them only if they will have socketed components or solved first generation bugs.
Mac mini M1 is PERFECT for skilled users and technology fans. It deserves the price and you can choose your not APPLE 27-32 '' 4K monitor, your big external storage, bluetooth mouse and keyboard (...less colored but perfectly working ) having the full access of the whole Cupertino ecosystem: macOS M1, iOS + services, plus Linux and Windows 10 apps using Parallels Desktop.
I'm happy now with my 699$ Mac mini M1 8GB-256GB, but I would not buy a iMac M1, a Macbook Air M1 (without fan) or a Pro M1 paying a lot more. I have fixed all my issues: the main was the early consumption of the internal soldered SSD (16% lost in 3 months) : installed BS on a 512 GB external fast USB 3.1 Samsung T5 SSD. An other issue: frequent crashes due to Kernel Panics (probable overflow every 4-8 hours!) ...Installing Big Sur 11.3 RC (now final) completely solved my issue (1 week, no crashes). Last one was related to high temperatures: 90+° Celsius with 8 CPUs, then throttling. Using 4 CPUs for heavy tasks is OK,, while searching an utility that let me to increase fan speed from 1700 to 2000 RPMs. If you don't monitor fan and SSD, you simply think that it's all OK... until you broke the M1 and you cannot repair it due to soldered components
, when your warranty will end. M2? If the hardware architecture will be the same, you will have the same issues paying much more, for an 85% speed improvement (rumors say) . I'll consider them only if they will have socketed components or solved first generation bugs.
Mac mini M1 is PERFECT for skilled users and technology fans. It deserves the price and you can choose your not APPLE 27-32 '' 4K monitor, your big external storage, bluetooth mouse and keyboard (...less colored but perfectly working
) having the full access of the whole Cupertino ecosystem: macOS M1, iOS + services, plus Linux and Windows 10 apps using Parallels Desktop.Chess engines and dedicated chess computers fan since 1981 macOS Sequoia 16GB-512GB, Windows 11 & Ubuntu ARM64.
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Re: M1 Apple Silicon for Chess?
Someone asked for the uci-analyser, I've added it.acepoint_de wrote: ↑Wed Apr 28, 2021 1:04 pm https://acepoint.de/tools-for-pgn-files/
pgn-extract and scoutfish for extracting information out of or manipulating very large pgn files.
Ciao
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MikeB
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Re: M1 Apple Silicon for Chess?
My latest machine -
OS Name Microsoft Windows 10 Pro
Version 10.0.19042 Build 19042
System Manufacturer ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC.
System Model ROG Zephyrus G14 GA401QM_GA401QM
System Type x64-based PC
Processor AMD Ryzen 9 5900HS with Radeon Graphics, 3301 Mhz, 8 Core(s), 16 Logical Processor(s)
Installed Physical Memory (RAM) 16.0 GB
Drive C:
Description Local Fixed Disk
Compressed No
File System NTFS
Size 933.27 GB (1,002,088,763,392 bytes)
Name NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 Laptop GPU
Adapter Type GeForce RTX 3060 Laptop GPU, NVIDIA compatible
Adapter Description NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 Laptop GPU
CUDA Benchmark
https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/compute/2753847
Total Cost $1449.99
I needed something portable ...
OS Name Microsoft Windows 10 Pro
Version 10.0.19042 Build 19042
System Manufacturer ASUSTeK COMPUTER INC.
System Model ROG Zephyrus G14 GA401QM_GA401QM
System Type x64-based PC
Processor AMD Ryzen 9 5900HS with Radeon Graphics, 3301 Mhz, 8 Core(s), 16 Logical Processor(s)
Installed Physical Memory (RAM) 16.0 GB
Drive C:
Description Local Fixed Disk
Compressed No
File System NTFS
Size 933.27 GB (1,002,088,763,392 bytes)
Name NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 Laptop GPU
Adapter Type GeForce RTX 3060 Laptop GPU, NVIDIA compatible
Adapter Description NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3060 Laptop GPU
Code: Select all
asmfish benchmark
asmFishW_2017-05-22_popcnt
uci
id name asmFishW_2017-05-22_popcnt
id author TypingALot
option name Hash type spin default 16 min 1 max 65536
option name LargePages type check default false
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option name NodeAffinity type string default all
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option name TTFile type string default <empty>
option name TTSave type button
option name TTLoad type button
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option name MultiPV type spin default 1 min 1 max 224
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option name Syzygy50MoveRule type check default true
option name SyzygyPath type string default <empty>
uciok
setoption name LargePages value true
bench 1024 16 26
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info string hash set to 1024 MB page size 2048 KB
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Total time (ms) : 149164
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https://browser.geekbench.com/v5/compute/2753847
Total Cost $1449.99
I needed something portable ...
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MikeB
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Re: M1 Apple Silicon for Chess?
the lc0 bench using current release
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./lc0.exe benchmark
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Detected 8 core(s) and 16 thread(s) in 1 group(s).
Group 0 has 8 core(s) and 16 thread(s).
Found pb network file: C:\engines\lco/703810.pb.gz
Creating backend [cuda-auto]...
Switching to [cuda-fp16]...
CUDA Runtime version: 11.1.0
Latest version of CUDA supported by the driver: 11.2.0
GPU: GeForce RTX 3060 Laptop GPU
GPU memory: 6 Gb
GPU clock frequency: 1282 MHz
GPU compute capability: 8.6
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AlexChess
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Re: M1 Apple Silicon for Chess?
Very good choice! Never seen Lc0 running so fast 
Regards, AlexChess
Regards, AlexChess
Chess engines and dedicated chess computers fan since 1981 macOS Sequoia 16GB-512GB, Windows 11 & Ubuntu ARM64.
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MikeB
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Re: M1 Apple Silicon for Chess?
I knew it would be good, but I'm little bit blown away by it, it is faster than the dual 2060 Supers I have in my big rig.
Based on the Geekbench Scores of the 3090 relative to the 3060 , that GPU would be more than double of the 3060 nps, but that would not fit in a laptop ....yet.