We are reaching the Max Odds that a top engine can give the top 3 GM's

[lkaufman]

Well, this was fun. Tried an Alekhine again, only this time the odds was the k-side knight. Didn’t think I could torture Stockfish to death (well, I can’t, other than with a knight odds), but, well, see for yourself ...


[pgn] [Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "15 May 2021"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Stockfish"]
[Black "Me"]
[Result "0-1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/4P3/8/PPPP1PPP/RNBQKB1R b KQkq -"]

1... Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. c4 Nb6 4. d4 d6 5. exd6 exd6 6. Nc3 Bf5 7. Be3 Nc6 8. Be2
Be7 9. b3 O-O 10. O-O Re8 11. Qd2 Bf6 12. Rfe1 h6 13. d5 Nb4 14. Rac1 Na6 15.
Bd3 Bxd3 16. Qxd3 Nd7 17. a3 Nac5 18. Qc2 Bg5 19. Bxg5 Qxg5 20. Rf1 Nf6 21. Rb1
a6 22. Rbe1 Qh4 23. Rd1 Re5 24. Rde1 Rae8 25. Rxe5 Rxe5 26. g3 Qg4 27. b4 Ncd7
28. f4 Re8 29. Qd1 Qf5 30. Rf2 Re3 31. Qd2 Qd3 32. Qxd3 Rxd3 33. Rc2 Ng4 34.
Rc1 Ne3 35. b5 Nc5 36. bxa6 bxa6 37. Nb1 Ne4 38. Re1 f5 39. Rc1 Kf7 40. Re1 Ke7
41. Kh1 a5 42. Kg1 Kd7 43. a4 Kc8 44. Rc1 Kb7 45. Re1 Kb6 46. Kh1 Kc5 47. Kg1
Kb4 48. h3 Kb3 49. c5 dxc5 50. g4 g6 51. g5 h5 52. Kh2 h4 53. d6 cxd6 54. Kg1
Kc2 55. Kh1 d5 56. Kg1 d4 57. Kh2 c4 58. Kg1 Rb3 59. Na3+ Kd2 60. Ra1 c3 61.
Ra2+ Kd3 62. Kh1 Ng3+ 63. Kh2 Ke4 64. Nc2 Nxc2 65. Rxc2 d3 66. Rc1 Rb2+ 67. Kg1
Kf3 68. Rf1+ Nxf1 69. Kh1 Ng3+ 70. Kg1 Rg2#
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[/pgn]

Chrisw your games versus Stockfish Iphone is impressive, but I would really like to see you play Knight Odds versus Dragon2 with contempt set to 180, or between 150 thru 200

Could do except I don’t have a Dragon or a Komodo. On the other hand, if Larry Kaufman wants to send me one, the. I can give it a try. Personally, I doubt there’s any engine I can’t give knights odds to just as long as I (or anyone else who is reasonably strong) to any engine as long as I can concentrate without being under taps game time pressure. Note that all Larry’s actual offers against GMs and IMs stipulate quite rough time conditions, so Dragon is really relying on blunders.

What type of computer would you use to play against Dragon if we send it to you (there is no Dragon for iphone)? Of course it is fine to play at a longer time control; we use 15' + 10" for many matches with GMs (including Hikaru) as that is now the standard time control of the top level events online, as well as the World Rapid championship over the board. While ordinary masters may blunder often at that time control, the top 10 GMs are quite used to it and should usually only make small mistakes. In earlier years we ran many GM matches at 45' + 15", a reasonably slow rate of play. Of course you won't be able to duplicate the conditions of our matches; even if you own a 32 core threadripper or something comparable you still won't have the opening book we use for these matches, but even on a normal computer with just four cores, without the book, I will be impressed if you can score 50% or better at knight odds (alternating b1/g1) with Dragon 2 set to use MCTS and Contempt set to anywhere in the 150 to 200 range.

I have a range of PCs. From 64x threadripper to 6x i7 laptop through some 6x i7 PCs, all with GPU, but I don’t suppose Dragon is using GPU?
In practice, I quite like the iPhone, because then I can play a few moves on the cafe or whatever. I’m pretty unlikely to sit down for a serious time controlled session - I get too many interruptions.
So, probably the laptop. I guess, being reasonable, can human hold against computer, I’ld suggest “friendly” correspondence conditions for me and game in 15 for you. I’m pretty busy right now.
Alternatively, play move by move in public forum. I’ll have to trust you to stick to move as game in 15, and you’ll have to trust me to not ask Stockfish. Anyway, you could tell if I was using comp help. And kibitzers could keep their mouths shut.
Ed’s forum? I’m sure he could set something up.

One way to do this would be on chess.com. You'd have to have an account, but a free one should work. You would be playing against Dragon on my 32 core Threadripper with book, at knight odds. You can pick any long time limit you like, enough to accommodate any likely interruptions, and I can set Dragon internally to play as if it were just a one minute game plus ten second increment. I do trust you not to use computer help. We would just have to agree on when to play the game or games. If you prefer a move by move game, we can talk about that.

[Chessqueen]

Well, this was fun. Tried an Alekhine again, only this time the odds was the k-side knight. Didn’t think I could torture Stockfish to death (well, I can’t, other than with a knight odds), but, well, see for yourself ...


[pgn] [Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "15 May 2021"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Stockfish"]
[Black "Me"]
[Result "0-1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/4P3/8/PPPP1PPP/RNBQKB1R b KQkq -"]

1... Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. c4 Nb6 4. d4 d6 5. exd6 exd6 6. Nc3 Bf5 7. Be3 Nc6 8. Be2
Be7 9. b3 O-O 10. O-O Re8 11. Qd2 Bf6 12. Rfe1 h6 13. d5 Nb4 14. Rac1 Na6 15.
Bd3 Bxd3 16. Qxd3 Nd7 17. a3 Nac5 18. Qc2 Bg5 19. Bxg5 Qxg5 20. Rf1 Nf6 21. Rb1
a6 22. Rbe1 Qh4 23. Rd1 Re5 24. Rde1 Rae8 25. Rxe5 Rxe5 26. g3 Qg4 27. b4 Ncd7
28. f4 Re8 29. Qd1 Qf5 30. Rf2 Re3 31. Qd2 Qd3 32. Qxd3 Rxd3 33. Rc2 Ng4 34.
Rc1 Ne3 35. b5 Nc5 36. bxa6 bxa6 37. Nb1 Ne4 38. Re1 f5 39. Rc1 Kf7 40. Re1 Ke7
41. Kh1 a5 42. Kg1 Kd7 43. a4 Kc8 44. Rc1 Kb7 45. Re1 Kb6 46. Kh1 Kc5 47. Kg1
Kb4 48. h3 Kb3 49. c5 dxc5 50. g4 g6 51. g5 h5 52. Kh2 h4 53. d6 cxd6 54. Kg1
Kc2 55. Kh1 d5 56. Kg1 d4 57. Kh2 c4 58. Kg1 Rb3 59. Na3+ Kd2 60. Ra1 c3 61.
Ra2+ Kd3 62. Kh1 Ng3+ 63. Kh2 Ke4 64. Nc2 Nxc2 65. Rxc2 d3 66. Rc1 Rb2+ 67. Kg1
Kf3 68. Rf1+ Nxf1 69. Kh1 Ng3+ 70. Kg1 Rg2#
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[/pgn]

Chrisw your games versus Stockfish Iphone is impressive, but I would really like to see you play Knight Odds versus Dragon2 with contempt set to 180, or between 150 thru 200

Could do except I don’t have a Dragon or a Komodo. On the other hand, if Larry Kaufman wants to send me one, the. I can give it a try. Personally, I doubt there’s any engine I can’t give knights odds to just as long as I (or anyone else who is reasonably strong) to any engine as long as I can concentrate without being under taps game time pressure. Note that all Larry’s actual offers against GMs and IMs stipulate quite rough time conditions, so Dragon is really relying on blunders.

What type of computer would you use to play against Dragon if we send it to you (there is no Dragon for iphone)? Of course it is fine to play at a longer time control; we use 15' + 10" for many matches with GMs (including Hikaru) as that is now the standard time control of the top level events online, as well as the World Rapid championship over the board. While ordinary masters may blunder often at that time control, the top 10 GMs are quite used to it and should usually only make small mistakes. In earlier years we ran many GM matches at 45' + 15", a reasonably slow rate of play. Of course you won't be able to duplicate the conditions of our matches; even if you own a 32 core threadripper or something comparable you still won't have the opening book we use for these matches, but even on a normal computer with just four cores, without the book, I will be impressed if you can score 50% or better at knight odds (alternating b1/g1) with Dragon 2 set to use MCTS and Contempt set to anywhere in the 150 to 200 range.

I have a range of PCs. From 64x threadripper to 6x i7 laptop through some 6x i7 PCs, all with GPU, but I don’t suppose Dragon is using GPU?
In practice, I quite like the iPhone, because then I can play a few moves on the cafe or whatever. I’m pretty unlikely to sit down for a serious time controlled session - I get too many interruptions.
So, probably the laptop. I guess, being reasonable, can human hold against computer, I’ld suggest “friendly” correspondence conditions for me and game in 15 for you. I’m pretty busy right now.
Alternatively, play move by move in public forum. I’ll have to trust you to stick to move as game in 15, and you’ll have to trust me to not ask Stockfish. Anyway, you could tell if I was using comp help. And kibitzers could keep their mouths shut.
Ed’s forum? I’m sure he could set something up.

One way to do this would be on chess.com. You'd have to have an account, but a free one should work. You would be playing against Dragon on my 32 core Threadripper with book, at knight odds. You can pick any long time limit you like, enough to accommodate any likely interruptions, and I can set Dragon internally to play as if it were just a one minute game plus ten second increment. I do trust you not to use computer help. We would just have to agree on when to play the game or games. If you prefer a move by move game, we can talk about that.

Based on the games that I analyzed (using Komodo 14 ) Chrisw Vs stockfish Iphone, he seems to be very knowledgeable of when to trade pieces or when to force the trade, of course Dragon 2 is totally different than stockfish or the Komodo 14 that I used, but still it would be an interesting match

[chrisw]

Well, this was fun. Tried an Alekhine again, only this time the odds was the k-side knight. Didn’t think I could torture Stockfish to death (well, I can’t, other than with a knight odds), but, well, see for yourself ...


[pgn] [Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "15 May 2021"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Stockfish"]
[Black "Me"]
[Result "0-1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/4P3/8/PPPP1PPP/RNBQKB1R b KQkq -"]

1... Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. c4 Nb6 4. d4 d6 5. exd6 exd6 6. Nc3 Bf5 7. Be3 Nc6 8. Be2
Be7 9. b3 O-O 10. O-O Re8 11. Qd2 Bf6 12. Rfe1 h6 13. d5 Nb4 14. Rac1 Na6 15.
Bd3 Bxd3 16. Qxd3 Nd7 17. a3 Nac5 18. Qc2 Bg5 19. Bxg5 Qxg5 20. Rf1 Nf6 21. Rb1
a6 22. Rbe1 Qh4 23. Rd1 Re5 24. Rde1 Rae8 25. Rxe5 Rxe5 26. g3 Qg4 27. b4 Ncd7
28. f4 Re8 29. Qd1 Qf5 30. Rf2 Re3 31. Qd2 Qd3 32. Qxd3 Rxd3 33. Rc2 Ng4 34.
Rc1 Ne3 35. b5 Nc5 36. bxa6 bxa6 37. Nb1 Ne4 38. Re1 f5 39. Rc1 Kf7 40. Re1 Ke7
41. Kh1 a5 42. Kg1 Kd7 43. a4 Kc8 44. Rc1 Kb7 45. Re1 Kb6 46. Kh1 Kc5 47. Kg1
Kb4 48. h3 Kb3 49. c5 dxc5 50. g4 g6 51. g5 h5 52. Kh2 h4 53. d6 cxd6 54. Kg1
Kc2 55. Kh1 d5 56. Kg1 d4 57. Kh2 c4 58. Kg1 Rb3 59. Na3+ Kd2 60. Ra1 c3 61.
Ra2+ Kd3 62. Kh1 Ng3+ 63. Kh2 Ke4 64. Nc2 Nxc2 65. Rxc2 d3 66. Rc1 Rb2+ 67. Kg1
Kf3 68. Rf1+ Nxf1 69. Kh1 Ng3+ 70. Kg1 Rg2#
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[/pgn]

Chrisw your games versus Stockfish Iphone is impressive, but I would really like to see you play Knight Odds versus Dragon2 with contempt set to 180, or between 150 thru 200

Could do except I don’t have a Dragon or a Komodo. On the other hand, if Larry Kaufman wants to send me one, the. I can give it a try. Personally, I doubt there’s any engine I can’t give knights odds to just as long as I (or anyone else who is reasonably strong) to any engine as long as I can concentrate without being under taps game time pressure. Note that all Larry’s actual offers against GMs and IMs stipulate quite rough time conditions, so Dragon is really relying on blunders.

What type of computer would you use to play against Dragon if we send it to you (there is no Dragon for iphone)? Of course it is fine to play at a longer time control; we use 15' + 10" for many matches with GMs (including Hikaru) as that is now the standard time control of the top level events online, as well as the World Rapid championship over the board. While ordinary masters may blunder often at that time control, the top 10 GMs are quite used to it and should usually only make small mistakes. In earlier years we ran many GM matches at 45' + 15", a reasonably slow rate of play. Of course you won't be able to duplicate the conditions of our matches; even if you own a 32 core threadripper or something comparable you still won't have the opening book we use for these matches, but even on a normal computer with just four cores, without the book, I will be impressed if you can score 50% or better at knight odds (alternating b1/g1) with Dragon 2 set to use MCTS and Contempt set to anywhere in the 150 to 200 range.

I have a range of PCs. From 64x threadripper to 6x i7 laptop through some 6x i7 PCs, all with GPU, but I don’t suppose Dragon is using GPU?
In practice, I quite like the iPhone, because then I can play a few moves on the cafe or whatever. I’m pretty unlikely to sit down for a serious time controlled session - I get too many interruptions.
So, probably the laptop. I guess, being reasonable, can human hold against computer, I’ld suggest “friendly” correspondence conditions for me and game in 15 for you. I’m pretty busy right now.
Alternatively, play move by move in public forum. I’ll have to trust you to stick to move as game in 15, and you’ll have to trust me to not ask Stockfish. Anyway, you could tell if I was using comp help. And kibitzers could keep their mouths shut.
Ed’s forum? I’m sure he could set something up.

One way to do this would be on chess.com. You'd have to have an account, but a free one should work. You would be playing against Dragon on my 32 core Threadripper with book, at knight odds. You can pick any long time limit you like, enough to accommodate any likely interruptions, and I can set Dragon internally to play as if it were just a one minute game plus ten second increment. I do trust you not to use computer help. We would just have to agree on when to play the game or games. If you prefer a move by move game, we can talk about that.

You built a knight odds book? Surely the idea is to discover whether a strong chess player thinking on his own without time pressure is better than/same as a computer thinking on its own. With a special book, I guess selecting lines that it has generally done better with over gazillions of test games, doesn’t seem quite right to me. It’s not as if humans have odds books all prepared. Why an engine should have one?
We would want to see raw talent and raw strength right from the start. Do you have a problem operating without a specially prepared book?
Move by move works fine on a forum thread. It also allows a degree of oversight by onlookers. I don’t mind to allow you a 32 core threadripper if you think you need it.

[Chessqueen]

Well, this was fun. Tried an Alekhine again, only this time the odds was the k-side knight. Didn’t think I could torture Stockfish to death (well, I can’t, other than with a knight odds), but, well, see for yourself ...


[pgn] [Event "?"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "15 May 2021"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Stockfish"]
[Black "Me"]
[Result "0-1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/4P3/8/PPPP1PPP/RNBQKB1R b KQkq -"]

1... Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. c4 Nb6 4. d4 d6 5. exd6 exd6 6. Nc3 Bf5 7. Be3 Nc6 8. Be2
Be7 9. b3 O-O 10. O-O Re8 11. Qd2 Bf6 12. Rfe1 h6 13. d5 Nb4 14. Rac1 Na6 15.
Bd3 Bxd3 16. Qxd3 Nd7 17. a3 Nac5 18. Qc2 Bg5 19. Bxg5 Qxg5 20. Rf1 Nf6 21. Rb1
a6 22. Rbe1 Qh4 23. Rd1 Re5 24. Rde1 Rae8 25. Rxe5 Rxe5 26. g3 Qg4 27. b4 Ncd7
28. f4 Re8 29. Qd1 Qf5 30. Rf2 Re3 31. Qd2 Qd3 32. Qxd3 Rxd3 33. Rc2 Ng4 34.
Rc1 Ne3 35. b5 Nc5 36. bxa6 bxa6 37. Nb1 Ne4 38. Re1 f5 39. Rc1 Kf7 40. Re1 Ke7
41. Kh1 a5 42. Kg1 Kd7 43. a4 Kc8 44. Rc1 Kb7 45. Re1 Kb6 46. Kh1 Kc5 47. Kg1
Kb4 48. h3 Kb3 49. c5 dxc5 50. g4 g6 51. g5 h5 52. Kh2 h4 53. d6 cxd6 54. Kg1
Kc2 55. Kh1 d5 56. Kg1 d4 57. Kh2 c4 58. Kg1 Rb3 59. Na3+ Kd2 60. Ra1 c3 61.
Ra2+ Kd3 62. Kh1 Ng3+ 63. Kh2 Ke4 64. Nc2 Nxc2 65. Rxc2 d3 66. Rc1 Rb2+ 67. Kg1
Kf3 68. Rf1+ Nxf1 69. Kh1 Ng3+ 70. Kg1 Rg2#
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[/pgn]

Chrisw your games versus Stockfish Iphone is impressive, but I would really like to see you play Knight Odds versus Dragon2 with contempt set to 180, or between 150 thru 200

Could do except I don’t have a Dragon or a Komodo. On the other hand, if Larry Kaufman wants to send me one, the. I can give it a try. Personally, I doubt there’s any engine I can’t give knights odds to just as long as I (or anyone else who is reasonably strong) to any engine as long as I can concentrate without being under taps game time pressure. Note that all Larry’s actual offers against GMs and IMs stipulate quite rough time conditions, so Dragon is really relying on blunders.

What type of computer would you use to play against Dragon if we send it to you (there is no Dragon for iphone)? Of course it is fine to play at a longer time control; we use 15' + 10" for many matches with GMs (including Hikaru) as that is now the standard time control of the top level events online, as well as the World Rapid championship over the board. While ordinary masters may blunder often at that time control, the top 10 GMs are quite used to it and should usually only make small mistakes. In earlier years we ran many GM matches at 45' + 15", a reasonably slow rate of play. Of course you won't be able to duplicate the conditions of our matches; even if you own a 32 core threadripper or something comparable you still won't have the opening book we use for these matches, but even on a normal computer with just four cores, without the book, I will be impressed if you can score 50% or better at knight odds (alternating b1/g1) with Dragon 2 set to use MCTS and Contempt set to anywhere in the 150 to 200 range.

I have a range of PCs. From 64x threadripper to 6x i7 laptop through some 6x i7 PCs, all with GPU, but I don’t suppose Dragon is using GPU?
In practice, I quite like the iPhone, because then I can play a few moves on the cafe or whatever. I’m pretty unlikely to sit down for a serious time controlled session - I get too many interruptions.
So, probably the laptop. I guess, being reasonable, can human hold against computer, I’ld suggest “friendly” correspondence conditions for me and game in 15 for you. I’m pretty busy right now.
Alternatively, play move by move in public forum. I’ll have to trust you to stick to move as game in 15, and you’ll have to trust me to not ask Stockfish. Anyway, you could tell if I was using comp help. And kibitzers could keep their mouths shut.
Ed’s forum? I’m sure he could set something up.

One way to do this would be on chess.com. You'd have to have an account, but a free one should work. You would be playing against Dragon on my 32 core Threadripper with book, at knight odds. You can pick any long time limit you like, enough to accommodate any likely interruptions, and I can set Dragon internally to play as if it were just a one minute game plus ten second increment. I do trust you not to use computer help. We would just have to agree on when to play the game or games. If you prefer a move by move game, we can talk about that.

You built a knight odds book? Surely the idea is to discover whether a strong chess player thinking on his own without time pressure is better than/same as a computer thinking on its own. With a special book, I guess selecting lines that it has generally done better with over gazillions of test games, doesn’t seem quite right to me. It’s not as if humans have odds books all prepared. Why an engine should have one?
We would want to see raw talent and raw strength right from the start. Do you have a problem operating without a specially prepared book?
Move by move works fine on a forum thread. It also allows a degree of oversight by onlookers. I don’t mind to allow you a 32 core threadripper if you think you need it.

I have a suggestion, instead of Dragon 2 using a prepared Odds Opening against you what if the observers pick from a selection of 20 different Odds opening that both the human and Dragon should use, like that you will NOT be complaining about a prepared Odds Opening Book, and You as a human will not have a special Odds Opening book prepared ahead of the match against Dragon2, which could easily be prepared by using any top Engines like Stockfish or LCZero, Fat Fritz 2 etc...

Note: Or from a set of Knight Odds Opening book, both Dragon2 and You will start from move 6 or 8, like that you will NOT feel at a disadvantage

[lkaufman]

I have a range of PCs. From 64x threadripper to 6x i7 laptop through some 6x i7 PCs, all with GPU, but I don’t suppose Dragon is using GPU?
In practice, I quite like the iPhone, because then I can play a few moves on the cafe or whatever. I’m pretty unlikely to sit down for a serious time controlled session - I get too many interruptions.
So, probably the laptop. I guess, being reasonable, can human hold against computer, I’ld suggest “friendly” correspondence conditions for me and game in 15 for you. I’m pretty busy right now.
Alternatively, play move by move in public forum. I’ll have to trust you to stick to move as game in 15, and you’ll have to trust me to not ask Stockfish. Anyway, you could tell if I was using comp help. And kibitzers could keep their mouths shut.
Ed’s forum? I’m sure he could set something up.

One way to do this would be on chess.com. You'd have to have an account, but a free one should work. You would be playing against Dragon on my 32 core Threadripper with book, at knight odds. You can pick any long time limit you like, enough to accommodate any likely interruptions, and I can set Dragon internally to play as if it were just a one minute game plus ten second increment. I do trust you not to use computer help. We would just have to agree on when to play the game or games. If you prefer a move by move game, we can talk about that.

You built a knight odds book? Surely the idea is to discover whether a strong chess player thinking on his own without time pressure is better than/same as a computer thinking on its own. With a special book, I guess selecting lines that it has generally done better with over gazillions of test games, doesn’t seem quite right to me. It’s not as if humans have odds books all prepared. Why an engine should have one?
We would want to see raw talent and raw strength right from the start. Do you have a problem operating without a specially prepared book?
Move by move works fine on a forum thread. It also allows a degree of oversight by onlookers. I don’t mind to allow you a 32 core threadripper if you think you need it.

The knight odds opening book is needed for matches against grandmasters, both to provide sufficient opening variety and because they are allowed to prepare for the match by analyzing the opening with engines. But if you are not doing that, then we have no reason to use the book. It's not a book tuned by engine games, rather it's just based on its own analysis with modifications based on games against myself and other titled players. The main goal is to avoid human preparation, but no need in your case. If we play move by move, I would just use my 10 core i9 laptop for the game, since it's not practical for us to use the Threadripper in this way, it's needed for development. I can set it for a fixed time per move, maybe 20 seconds, rather than game/15 as I might have to restart and would lose the time info. We can play here on talkchess if you like. I rather expect you to win if you spend much time on the game, it all depends on what you mean by "friendly" correspondence. Clearly we can't give knight odds to a strong player who is taking 20 minutes per move or so, but I don't think that's your intention. Just let us know how much time you actually take (roughly) so we can take that into consideration when evaluating the game or games afterwards. I hope we can trust the readers of this forum not to post advice, especially advice based on computer analysis. We clearly can't give Stockfish knight odds!

[chrisw]

I have a range of PCs. From 64x threadripper to 6x i7 laptop through some 6x i7 PCs, all with GPU, but I don’t suppose Dragon is using GPU?
In practice, I quite like the iPhone, because then I can play a few moves on the cafe or whatever. I’m pretty unlikely to sit down for a serious time controlled session - I get too many interruptions.
So, probably the laptop. I guess, being reasonable, can human hold against computer, I’ld suggest “friendly” correspondence conditions for me and game in 15 for you. I’m pretty busy right now.
Alternatively, play move by move in public forum. I’ll have to trust you to stick to move as game in 15, and you’ll have to trust me to not ask Stockfish. Anyway, you could tell if I was using comp help. And kibitzers could keep their mouths shut.
Ed’s forum? I’m sure he could set something up.

One way to do this would be on chess.com. You'd have to have an account, but a free one should work. You would be playing against Dragon on my 32 core Threadripper with book, at knight odds. You can pick any long time limit you like, enough to accommodate any likely interruptions, and I can set Dragon internally to play as if it were just a one minute game plus ten second increment. I do trust you not to use computer help. We would just have to agree on when to play the game or games. If you prefer a move by move game, we can talk about that.

You built a knight odds book? Surely the idea is to discover whether a strong chess player thinking on his own without time pressure is better than/same as a computer thinking on its own. With a special book, I guess selecting lines that it has generally done better with over gazillions of test games, doesn’t seem quite right to me. It’s not as if humans have odds books all prepared. Why an engine should have one?
We would want to see raw talent and raw strength right from the start. Do you have a problem operating without a specially prepared book?
Move by move works fine on a forum thread. It also allows a degree of oversight by onlookers. I don’t mind to allow you a 32 core threadripper if you think you need it.

The knight odds opening book is needed for matches against grandmasters, both to provide sufficient opening variety and because they are allowed to prepare for the match by analyzing the opening with engines. But if you are not doing that, then we have no reason to use the book. It's not a book tuned by engine games, rather it's just based on its own analysis with modifications based on games against myself and other titled players. The main goal is to avoid human preparation, but no need in your case. If we play move by move, I would just use my 10 core i9 laptop for the game, since it's not practical for us to use the Threadripper in this way, it's needed for development. I can set it for a fixed time per move, maybe 20 seconds, rather than game/15 as I might have to restart and would lose the time info.

OK

We can play here on talkchess if you like. I rather expect you to win if you spend much time on the game, it all depends on what you mean by "friendly" correspondence. Clearly we can't give knight odds to a strong player who is taking 20 minutes per move or so, but I don't think that's your intention. Just let us know how much time you actually take (roughly) so we can take that into consideration when evaluating the game or games afterwards. I hope we can trust the readers of this forum not to post advice, especially advice based on computer analysis. We clearly can't give Stockfish knight odds!

Seems reasonable. I guess it will be casually serious, so to speak. Instead of going to the cafe and posting social media, I’ll open the chess board (on a forum will be fine, probably we can use here plus Ed’s, mirroring. I didn’t forget I got banned from posting here once for no good reason while playing one of the mods (Robin Smith), thus stopping the game.
I’m very unlikely to spend more than one minute a move, frankly, mostly less. As you no doubt realise I’ll just play positional with trying to avoid tactics and tactical positions. Moves will be intuitive with tactics over-checking, so it doesn’t really make sense to think about “time” in this positional human sense. Strong players don’t gain 70 Elo by doubling their time allowance etc etc. I’m mostly interested in demonstrating (maybe I’ll be wrong of course) that any strong player who a) hadn’t got a clock stressing him and b) has space to think a bit and c) doesn’t blunder (which is always possible too) is going to wipe out any engine with knight odds. As you more or less already concede.

What I suggest is that I play the black side of the two Alekhine possibilities. Then we can see if your engine without external book, presses, likes space, prefers to hang back behind a smaller centre or whatever.

First off:
e4, remove nb1, nf6, bookless white to move .....

[Chessqueen]

I have a range of PCs. From 64x threadripper to 6x i7 laptop through some 6x i7 PCs, all with GPU, but I don’t suppose Dragon is using GPU?
In practice, I quite like the iPhone, because then I can play a few moves on the cafe or whatever. I’m pretty unlikely to sit down for a serious time controlled session - I get too many interruptions.
So, probably the laptop. I guess, being reasonable, can human hold against computer, I’ld suggest “friendly” correspondence conditions for me and game in 15 for you. I’m pretty busy right now.
Alternatively, play move by move in public forum. I’ll have to trust you to stick to move as game in 15, and you’ll have to trust me to not ask Stockfish. Anyway, you could tell if I was using comp help. And kibitzers could keep their mouths shut.
Ed’s forum? I’m sure he could set something up.

One way to do this would be on chess.com. You'd have to have an account, but a free one should work. You would be playing against Dragon on my 32 core Threadripper with book, at knight odds. You can pick any long time limit you like, enough to accommodate any likely interruptions, and I can set Dragon internally to play as if it were just a one minute game plus ten second increment. I do trust you not to use computer help. We would just have to agree on when to play the game or games. If you prefer a move by move game, we can talk about that.

You built a knight odds book? Surely the idea is to discover whether a strong chess player thinking on his own without time pressure is better than/same as a computer thinking on its own. With a special book, I guess selecting lines that it has generally done better with over gazillions of test games, doesn’t seem quite right to me. It’s not as if humans have odds books all prepared. Why an engine should have one?
We would want to see raw talent and raw strength right from the start. Do you have a problem operating without a specially prepared book?
Move by move works fine on a forum thread. It also allows a degree of oversight by onlookers. I don’t mind to allow you a 32 core threadripper if you think you need it.

The knight odds opening book is needed for matches against grandmasters, both to provide sufficient opening variety and because they are allowed to prepare for the match by analyzing the opening with engines. But if you are not doing that, then we have no reason to use the book. It's not a book tuned by engine games, rather it's just based on its own analysis with modifications based on games against myself and other titled players. The main goal is to avoid human preparation, but no need in your case. If we play move by move, I would just use my 10 core i9 laptop for the game, since it's not practical for us to use the Threadripper in this way, it's needed for development. I can set it for a fixed time per move, maybe 20 seconds, rather than game/15 as I might have to restart and would lose the time info.

OK

We can play here on talkchess if you like. I rather expect you to win if you spend much time on the game, it all depends on what you mean by "friendly" correspondence. Clearly we can't give knight odds to a strong player who is taking 20 minutes per move or so, but I don't think that's your intention. Just let us know how much time you actually take (roughly) so we can take that into consideration when evaluating the game or games afterwards. I hope we can trust the readers of this forum not to post advice, especially advice based on computer analysis. We clearly can't give Stockfish knight odds!

Seems reasonable. I guess it will be casually serious, so to speak. Instead of going to the cafe and posting social media, I’ll open the chess board (on a forum will be fine, probably we can use here plus Ed’s, mirroring. I didn’t forget I got banned from posting here once for no good reason while playing one of the mods (Robin Smith), thus stopping the game.
I’m very unlikely to spend more than one minute a move, frankly, mostly less. As you no doubt realise I’ll just play positional with trying to avoid tactics and tactical positions. Moves will be intuitive with tactics over-checking, so it doesn’t really make sense to think about “time” in this positional human sense. Strong players don’t gain 70 Elo by doubling their time allowance etc etc. I’m mostly interested in demonstrating (maybe I’ll be wrong of course) that any strong player who a) hadn’t got a clock stressing him and b) has space to think a bit and c) doesn’t blunder (which is always possible too) is going to wipe out any engine with knight odds. As you more or less already concede.

What I suggest is that I play the black side of the two Alekhine possibilities. Then we can see if your engine without external book, presses, likes space, prefers to hang back behind a smaller centre or whatever.

First off:
e4, remove nb1, nf6, bookless white to move .....

This game will take forever, why you don not use Zoom or Skype. Another easy way would be to call each other on your cell phone or Lan and instantly let each other know your moves

[towforce]

This game will take forever, why you don not use Zoom or Skype. Another easy way would be to call each other on your cell phone or Lan and instantly let each other know your moves

Larry had the right idea - use chess.com!

[Spliffjiffer]

u take a really tuff challenge and im in awe with what u do....rememeber that here are people who can distinguish between the very best MPV= say 15 moves and blunders that you will do because youre a human beeing....i will not follow every move u will play and there is no reason that ure under preasure because guys like me take u under control by engine observation in every single move u will offer....to be honest: if you are not rated above 2100 elo ure gonna loose this like a fool !?...tuff challenge and all respect to YOU...again...do not even dare to cheat, and one important thing more i wanna tell:
i believe in you that ure a strong player and i hope u can resist an incredible bean counter like this...if you really are able to prove so u earn all respect i gotta give ...i whish u all the best...and please dont even try to cheat, the pressure will get enormous....im sry to say this but its nothing easier than that to try it, fingers crossed and good luck and, successful patience...through down its pants, chris !!!

[towforce]

...through down its pants, chris !!!

Yes Chris - straight down the dragon's pants!

It's what the watching Europeans expect of you!