Lion wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 2:49 pm
Never better served than by yourself....
Just received my iPad Pro 11 M1, fresh install (maybe still some background processing) after 3min search starting position, I have 8'800 kn/s.
I guess this is about 1.5x previous gen iPad Pro.
Its not the 13'000 kn/s but its still an interesting bump up from previous version.
I am using “Chess Studio” a great app running SF13.
There is a NNUE option but this slows down SF 13 from about 9000 kn/s to 1500 kn/s so not sure it’s useful….
Lion wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 9:56 pm
I am using “Chess Studio” a great app running SF13.
There is a NNUE option but this slows down SF 13 from about 9000 kn/s to 1500 kn/s so not sure it’s useful….
Rgds
Then in "Chess Studio" NNUE is by default off, so running classical eval.
NNUE is much stronger than Classical. Even with a big difference in speed. Although this is a fairly extreme difference.
Lion wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 2:49 pm
Never better served than by yourself....
Just received my iPad Pro 11 M1, fresh install (maybe still some background processing) after 3min search starting position, I have 8'800 kn/s.
I guess this is about 1.5x previous gen iPad Pro.
Its not the 13'000 kn/s but its still an interesting bump up from previous version.
rgds
Considering some developers run SF classic on old Samsung Galaxy S9:s at 14000kn/s (4 cores of Exynos M3 at 2.9 GHz, 4 cores of Cortex A55 at 1.9 GHz.) this is not very impressive for a supposedly "high end" computer/tablet that costs a small fortune compared to similar mobile devices.
Pretty underwhelming I would say and even more underwhelming if you want to use GPU Chess engines. Also, Apple's un-openness and monopoly store makes it cumbersome (and expensive) to make use of current open-source engines as well.
acepoint_de wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 6:54 pm
Five updates for apple-silicon (M1): clover-2.3.1, igel-3.0.5, mayhem-3.5, shashchess-17 and stash-bot-30. Some new engines might follow this weekend…
Lion wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 5:45 pm
I am for sure not aware and doubtful any Samsung phone/tablet can hold these numbers after 3min search.
Just as the iPad the phones will throttle due to form-factor and cooling, and of course a modern AMD laptop will be the best portable choice for chess lovers. But the key point made is that it makes little or no chess-sense to go for an OS-hampered, locked-down, chess-engine challenged, expensive iPad over a newer cheaper Exynox, Kirin or Qualcomm powered phone, if you want to be able to run the most engines and easily download and install new engines and chess-GUIs on a more tiny device than a slim laptop, hybrid. Especially with this dissapointing performance of the M1 compared to alternatives.
Until now I have more than 30 top chess engines natively ported on M1 NEON, including Fat Fritz 2.1 github in Stockfish 13-dev and Dragon 2.0. But with Mac mini M1 and UTM (Qemu) or Parallels 16.5 M1 I can also use all Raspberry PI4 | Ubuntu ARM64 engines (eg: Pedone 3.1 ARM64 works only on Linux ARM64. I can test it in any case and it's surprisingly fast, too) and Windows 10 Intel x64 and ARM64 engines. So, now that I have reinstalled Big Sur on a large external USB 3.1 SSD (avoiding over stress on the internal soldered SSD) after 6 months of 24/24 hours use, I think that for 700$ | € Mac Mini M1 is THE perfect Chess Machine, while I can still work & navigate very fast during my chess tests
Similar performances on iPad M1, thanks to wonderful apps like BanksiaGui and SmallFish.
Regards, AlexChess
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macOS Sequoia 16GB-512GB, Windows 11 & Ubuntu ARM64.