We are reaching the Max Odds that a top engine can give the top 3 GM's

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Re: We are reaching the Max Odds that a top engine can give the top 3 GM's

Post by lkaufman »

amanjpro wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 6:20 pm
You can choose the version that you want me to test, and I'll put that version on lichess temporarily. I will be using my raspberry pi. It is hard for me to answer your question regarding the mapping to intel reference CPU, as I don't have one. But maybe somebody else might be able to answer this. I can tell you the NPS though, if that means anything
Let's use version 1.0.0 which was CCRL 2010 at blitz. Let me know the NPS in the opening position for that version on your raspberry pi; if that version is freely downloadable I'll compare with the NPS on my laptop.
Komodo rules!
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Re: We are reaching the Max Odds that a top engine can give the top 3 GM's

Post by chrisw »

lkaufman wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 9:42 pm
chrisw wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 6:51 pm
[pgn]
[Event "knight odds match"]
[Site "TalkChess"]
[Date "2021.05.29"]
[Round "1"]
[White "KomodoDragon2, MCTS."]
[Black "Whittington, Chris"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "Kaufman,Larry"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "81"]
[EventDate "2021.05.20"]
[EventType "match"]

1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. Nf3 Bg4 5. Be2 Nc6 6. c4 Nb6 7. e6 fxe6 8. O-O
g6 9. a4 a5 10. d5 Bxf3 11. Bxf3 exd5 12. cxd5 Ne5 13. Be4 Bg7 14. f4 Ned7 15.
f5 O-O 16. Ra3 Ne5 17. Rg3 Qe8 18. b3 c6 19. dxc6 bxc6 20. Rf2 e6 21. fxg6 Rxf2
22. gxh7+ Kh8 23. Kxf2 Qf7+ 24. Kg1 Rf8 25. h3 d5 26. Bf3 c5 27. Qe2 Nc6 28.
Bb2 Nd4 29. Qe1 Nd7 30. Bd1 e5 31. Rg5 e4 32. Qg3 Nf3+ 33. Bxf3 Bxb2 34. Rg8+
Kxh7 35. Rg5 Bg7 36. Bh5 Qf6 37. Bg6+ Qxg6 38. Qh4+ Qh6 39. Rh5 Nf6 40. Rxh6+
Bxh6 41. g4 Kg6[/pgn]

Kg6
[pgn]
[Event "knight odds math"]
[Site "TalkChess"]
[Date "2021.05.29"]
[Round "1"]
[White "KomodoDragon2, MCTS."]
[Black "Whittington, Chris"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "Kaufman,Larry"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "83"]
[EventDate "2021.05.20"]
[EventType "match"]

1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. Nf3 Bg4 5. Be2 Nc6 6. c4 Nb6 7. e6 fxe6 8. O-O
g6 9. a4 a5 10. d5 Bxf3 11. Bxf3 exd5 12. cxd5 Ne5 13. Be4 Bg7 14. f4 Ned7 15.
f5 O-O 16. Ra3 Ne5 17. Rg3 Qe8 18. b3 c6 19. dxc6 bxc6 20. Rf2 e6 21. fxg6 Rxf2
22. gxh7+ Kh8 23. Kxf2 Qf7+ 24. Kg1 Rf8 25. h3 d5 26. Bf3 c5 27. Qe2 Nc6 28.
Bb2 Nd4 29. Qe1 Nd7 30. Bd1 e5 31. Rg5 e4 32. Qg3 Nf3+ 33. Bxf3 Bxb2 34. Rg8+
Kxh7 35. Rg5 Bg7 36. Bh5 Qf6 37. Bg6+ Qxg6 38. Qh4+ Qh6 39. Rh5 Nf6 40. Rxh6+
Bxh6 41. g4 Kg6 42. Qf2 Nd7[/pgn]


Nd7
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Re: We are reaching the Max Odds that a top engine can give the top 3 GM's

Post by lkaufman »

chrisw wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 9:53 pm
[pgn]
[Event "knight odds math"]
[Site "TalkChess"]
[Date "2021.05.29"]
[Round "1"]
[White "KomodoDragon2, MCTS."]
[Black "Whittington, Chris"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "Kaufman,Larry"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "83"]
[EventDate "2021.05.20"]
[EventType "match"]

1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. Nf3 Bg4 5. Be2 Nc6 6. c4 Nb6 7. e6 fxe6 8. O-O
g6 9. a4 a5 10. d5 Bxf3 11. Bxf3 exd5 12. cxd5 Ne5 13. Be4 Bg7 14. f4 Ned7 15.
f5 O-O 16. Ra3 Ne5 17. Rg3 Qe8 18. b3 c6 19. dxc6 bxc6 20. Rf2 e6 21. fxg6 Rxf2
22. gxh7+ Kh8 23. Kxf2 Qf7+ 24. Kg1 Rf8 25. h3 d5 26. Bf3 c5 27. Qe2 Nc6 28.
Bb2 Nd4 29. Qe1 Nd7 30. Bd1 e5 31. Rg5 e4 32. Qg3 Nf3+ 33. Bxf3 Bxb2 34. Rg8+
Kxh7 35. Rg5 Bg7 36. Bh5 Qf6 37. Bg6+ Qxg6 38. Qh4+ Qh6 39. Rh5 Nf6 40. Rxh6+
Bxh6 41. g4 Kg6 42. Qf2 Nd7[/pgn]


Nd7
[pgn]
[Event "knight odds match"]
[Site "TalkChess"]
[Date "2021.05.30"]
[Round "1"]
[White "KomodoDragon2, MCTS."]
[Black "Whittington, Chris"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "Kaufman,Larry"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "85"]
[EventDate "2021.05.20"]
[EventType "match"]

1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. Nf3 Bg4 5. Be2 Nc6 6. c4 Nb6 7. e6 fxe6 8. O-O
g6 9. a4 a5 10. d5 Bxf3 11. Bxf3 exd5 12. cxd5 Ne5 13. Be4 Bg7 14. f4 Ned7 15.
f5 O-O 16. Ra3 Ne5 17. Rg3 Qe8 18. b3 c6 19. dxc6 bxc6 20. Rf2 e6 21. fxg6 Rxf2
22. gxh7+ Kh8 23. Kxf2 Qf7+ 24. Kg1 Rf8 25. h3 d5 26. Bf3 c5 27. Qe2 Nc6 28.
Bb2 Nd4 29. Qe1 Nd7 30. Bd1 e5 31. Rg5 e4 32. Qg3 Nf3+ 33. Bxf3 Bxb2 34. Rg8+
Kxh7 35. Rg5 Bg7 36. Bh5 Qf6 37. Bg6+ Qxg6 38. Qh4+ Qh6 39. Rh5 Nf6 40. Rxh6+
Bxh6 41. g4 Kg6 42. Qf2 Nd7 43. Qh4 * [/pgn]
Komodo rules!
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Re: We are reaching the Max Odds that a top engine can give the top 3 GM's

Post by chrisw »

lkaufman wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 10:31 pm
chrisw wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 9:53 pm
[pgn]
[Event "knight odds math"]
[Site "TalkChess"]
[Date "2021.05.29"]
[Round "1"]
[White "KomodoDragon2, MCTS."]
[Black "Whittington, Chris"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "Kaufman,Larry"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "83"]
[EventDate "2021.05.20"]
[EventType "match"]

1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. Nf3 Bg4 5. Be2 Nc6 6. c4 Nb6 7. e6 fxe6 8. O-O
g6 9. a4 a5 10. d5 Bxf3 11. Bxf3 exd5 12. cxd5 Ne5 13. Be4 Bg7 14. f4 Ned7 15.
f5 O-O 16. Ra3 Ne5 17. Rg3 Qe8 18. b3 c6 19. dxc6 bxc6 20. Rf2 e6 21. fxg6 Rxf2
22. gxh7+ Kh8 23. Kxf2 Qf7+ 24. Kg1 Rf8 25. h3 d5 26. Bf3 c5 27. Qe2 Nc6 28.
Bb2 Nd4 29. Qe1 Nd7 30. Bd1 e5 31. Rg5 e4 32. Qg3 Nf3+ 33. Bxf3 Bxb2 34. Rg8+
Kxh7 35. Rg5 Bg7 36. Bh5 Qf6 37. Bg6+ Qxg6 38. Qh4+ Qh6 39. Rh5 Nf6 40. Rxh6+
Bxh6 41. g4 Kg6 42. Qf2 Nd7[/pgn]


Nd7
[pgn]
[Event "knight odds match"]
[Site "TalkChess"]
[Date "2021.05.30"]
[Round "1"]
[White "KomodoDragon2, MCTS."]
[Black "Whittington, Chris"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "Kaufman,Larry"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "85"]
[EventDate "2021.05.20"]
[EventType "match"]

1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. Nf3 Bg4 5. Be2 Nc6 6. c4 Nb6 7. e6 fxe6 8. O-O
g6 9. a4 a5 10. d5 Bxf3 11. Bxf3 exd5 12. cxd5 Ne5 13. Be4 Bg7 14. f4 Ned7 15.
f5 O-O 16. Ra3 Ne5 17. Rg3 Qe8 18. b3 c6 19. dxc6 bxc6 20. Rf2 e6 21. fxg6 Rxf2
22. gxh7+ Kh8 23. Kxf2 Qf7+ 24. Kg1 Rf8 25. h3 d5 26. Bf3 c5 27. Qe2 Nc6 28.
Bb2 Nd4 29. Qe1 Nd7 30. Bd1 e5 31. Rg5 e4 32. Qg3 Nf3+ 33. Bxf3 Bxb2 34. Rg8+
Kxh7 35. Rg5 Bg7 36. Bh5 Qf6 37. Bg6+ Qxg6 38. Qh4+ Qh6 39. Rh5 Nf6 40. Rxh6+
Bxh6 41. g4 Kg6 42. Qf2 Nd7 43. Qh4 Be3+[/pgn]


Be3+
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Re: We are reaching the Max Odds that a top engine can give the top 3 GM's

Post by lkaufman »

Chessqueen wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 5:34 pm
lkaufman wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 4:59 pm
amanjpro wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 4:54 pm
lkaufman wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 4:43 pm
Chessqueen wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 8:11 am
amanjpro wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 7:24 am
lkaufman wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 7:15 am
amanjpro wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 6:56 am
lkaufman wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 6:49 am
I believe it was a mix, but mostly 1 min bullets or maybe less.... Do not forget Zahak runs in Raspberry Pi 3, which is a rather slow machine... And still he hasn't been beaten by a human player (if you discount that match). He hasnt many games against humans though; Probably because, lichess users prefer to play humans not bots?
Here is a list of games played versus human ==> https://lichess.org/@/zahak_engine
I don't see the games vs. humans separated from bot games. How many games has Zahak played there vs. humans over 1800 at blitz (not bullet)? What was the score? Also, how many times faster is the ccrl reference i7 machine compared to that Raspberry Pi 3? I think your results suggest that against humans, playing blitz (say 3' + 2" average), Zahak would perform several hundred elo above its CCRL blitz rating, not just a couple hundred, which is what I've been saying, but perhaps there aren't enough relevant human games to say?
That is exactly my point, there are not many relevant games against human against bots at least not on lichess. People usually detest them, as they are hard to beat and annoyingly accurate
I know there aren't many, but are there any at all (blitz vs human over 1800)?

What was your last Correspondence rating and do you feel like plying versus Komodo Dragon2 MCTS with some odds depending on your last rating?

2336 ICCF (https://www.iccf.com/player?id=516044&tab=3 ) but this rating period ends tomorrow and I'm forecasted to be 2352 in the July rating list. I'd only be interested in something resembling correspondence time controls, I could handle a move every two days or one move a day.

Mr. Kaufman this correspondence player with a rating of 2352 would like to challenge Komodo Dragon here on talkchesss, just like Chrisw did, what Odds are you willing to give him if he also take 1 minute per move and Komodo Dragon 15 minutes total and what condition, probably not using any engine rated over 2550 to assist him?
https://www.iccf.com/player?id=516044&tab=3
This doesn't make sense to me; correspondence chess is normally played with engine assistance, in which case a handicap is out of the question, but if he doesn't use an engine we have no idea of his chess strength. A correspondence player with a 2352 could be a master, or he could be a 1200 level player with a powerful pc and good understanding of how to use it.
Komodo rules!
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Re: We are reaching the Max Odds that a top engine can give the top 3 GM's

Post by lkaufman »

chrisw wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 10:44 pm
[pgn]
[Event "knight odds match"]
[Site "TalkChess"]
[Date "2021.05.30"]
[Round "1"]
[White "KomodoDragon2, MCTS."]
[Black "Whittington, Chris"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "Kaufman,Larry"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "85"]
[EventDate "2021.05.20"]
[EventType "match"]

1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. Nf3 Bg4 5. Be2 Nc6 6. c4 Nb6 7. e6 fxe6 8. O-O
g6 9. a4 a5 10. d5 Bxf3 11. Bxf3 exd5 12. cxd5 Ne5 13. Be4 Bg7 14. f4 Ned7 15.
f5 O-O 16. Ra3 Ne5 17. Rg3 Qe8 18. b3 c6 19. dxc6 bxc6 20. Rf2 e6 21. fxg6 Rxf2
22. gxh7+ Kh8 23. Kxf2 Qf7+ 24. Kg1 Rf8 25. h3 d5 26. Bf3 c5 27. Qe2 Nc6 28.
Bb2 Nd4 29. Qe1 Nd7 30. Bd1 e5 31. Rg5 e4 32. Qg3 Nf3+ 33. Bxf3 Bxb2 34. Rg8+
Kxh7 35. Rg5 Bg7 36. Bh5 Qf6 37. Bg6+ Qxg6 38. Qh4+ Qh6 39. Rh5 Nf6 40. Rxh6+
Bxh6 41. g4 Kg6 42. Qf2 Nd7 43. Qh4 Be3+[/pgn]

Be3+
[pgn]
[Event "knight odds match"]
[Site "TalkChess"]
[Date "2021.05.30"]
[Round "1"]
[White "KomodoDragon2, MCTS."]
[Black "Whittington, Chris"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "Kaufman,Larry"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "87"]
[EventDate "2021.05.20"]
[EventType "match"]

1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. Nf3 Bg4 5. Be2 Nc6 6. c4 Nb6 7. e6 fxe6 8. O-O
g6 9. a4 a5 10. d5 Bxf3 11. Bxf3 exd5 12. cxd5 Ne5 13. Be4 Bg7 14. f4 Ned7 15.
f5 O-O 16. Ra3 Ne5 17. Rg3 Qe8 18. b3 c6 19. dxc6 bxc6 20. Rf2 e6 21. fxg6 Rxf2
22. gxh7+ Kh8 23. Kxf2 Qf7+ 24. Kg1 Rf8 25. h3 d5 26. Bf3 c5 27. Qe2 Nc6 28.
Bb2 Nd4 29. Qe1 Nd7 30. Bd1 e5 31. Rg5 e4 32. Qg3 Nf3+ 33. Bxf3 Bxb2 34. Rg8+
Kxh7 35. Rg5 Bg7 36. Bh5 Qf6 37. Bg6+ Qxg6 38. Qh4+ Qh6 39. Rh5 Nf6 40. Rxh6+
Bxh6 41. g4 Kg6 42. Qf2 Nd7 43. Qh4 Be3+ 44. Kh1 * [/pgn]
Komodo rules!
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Re: We are reaching the Max Odds that a top engine can give the top 3 GM's

Post by chrisw »

lkaufman wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 11:13 pm
chrisw wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 10:44 pm
[pgn]
[Event "knight odds match"]
[Site "TalkChess"]
[Date "2021.05.30"]
[Round "1"]
[White "KomodoDragon2, MCTS."]
[Black "Whittington, Chris"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "Kaufman,Larry"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "85"]
[EventDate "2021.05.20"]
[EventType "match"]

1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. Nf3 Bg4 5. Be2 Nc6 6. c4 Nb6 7. e6 fxe6 8. O-O
g6 9. a4 a5 10. d5 Bxf3 11. Bxf3 exd5 12. cxd5 Ne5 13. Be4 Bg7 14. f4 Ned7 15.
f5 O-O 16. Ra3 Ne5 17. Rg3 Qe8 18. b3 c6 19. dxc6 bxc6 20. Rf2 e6 21. fxg6 Rxf2
22. gxh7+ Kh8 23. Kxf2 Qf7+ 24. Kg1 Rf8 25. h3 d5 26. Bf3 c5 27. Qe2 Nc6 28.
Bb2 Nd4 29. Qe1 Nd7 30. Bd1 e5 31. Rg5 e4 32. Qg3 Nf3+ 33. Bxf3 Bxb2 34. Rg8+
Kxh7 35. Rg5 Bg7 36. Bh5 Qf6 37. Bg6+ Qxg6 38. Qh4+ Qh6 39. Rh5 Nf6 40. Rxh6+
Bxh6 41. g4 Kg6 42. Qf2 Nd7 43. Qh4 Be3+[/pgn]

Be3+
[pgn]
[Event "knight odds match"]
[Site "TalkChess"]
[Date "2021.05.30"]
[Round "1"]
[White "KomodoDragon2, MCTS."]
[Black "Whittington, Chris"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "Kaufman,Larry"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "87"]
[EventDate "2021.05.20"]
[EventType "match"]

1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. Nf3 Bg4 5. Be2 Nc6 6. c4 Nb6 7. e6 fxe6 8. O-O
g6 9. a4 a5 10. d5 Bxf3 11. Bxf3 exd5 12. cxd5 Ne5 13. Be4 Bg7 14. f4 Ned7 15.
f5 O-O 16. Ra3 Ne5 17. Rg3 Qe8 18. b3 c6 19. dxc6 bxc6 20. Rf2 e6 21. fxg6 Rxf2
22. gxh7+ Kh8 23. Kxf2 Qf7+ 24. Kg1 Rf8 25. h3 d5 26. Bf3 c5 27. Qe2 Nc6 28.
Bb2 Nd4 29. Qe1 Nd7 30. Bd1 e5 31. Rg5 e4 32. Qg3 Nf3+ 33. Bxf3 Bxb2 34. Rg8+
Kxh7 35. Rg5 Bg7 36. Bh5 Qf6 37. Bg6+ Qxg6 38. Qh4+ Qh6 39. Rh5 Nf6 40. Rxh6+
Bxh6 41. g4 Kg6 42. Qf2 Nd7 43. Qh4 Be3+ 44. Kh1 Rf1+ [/pgn]


Rf1+
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Re: We are reaching the Max Odds that a top engine can give the top 3 GM's

Post by lkaufman »

chrisw wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 11:17 pm
[pgn]
[Event "knight odds match"]
[Site "TalkChess"]
[Date "2021.05.30"]
[Round "1"]
[White "KomodoDragon2, MCTS."]
[Black "Whittington, Chris"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "Kaufman,Larry"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "87"]
[EventDate "2021.05.20"]
[EventType "match"]

1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. Nf3 Bg4 5. Be2 Nc6 6. c4 Nb6 7. e6 fxe6 8. O-O
g6 9. a4 a5 10. d5 Bxf3 11. Bxf3 exd5 12. cxd5 Ne5 13. Be4 Bg7 14. f4 Ned7 15.
f5 O-O 16. Ra3 Ne5 17. Rg3 Qe8 18. b3 c6 19. dxc6 bxc6 20. Rf2 e6 21. fxg6 Rxf2
22. gxh7+ Kh8 23. Kxf2 Qf7+ 24. Kg1 Rf8 25. h3 d5 26. Bf3 c5 27. Qe2 Nc6 28.
Bb2 Nd4 29. Qe1 Nd7 30. Bd1 e5 31. Rg5 e4 32. Qg3 Nf3+ 33. Bxf3 Bxb2 34. Rg8+
Kxh7 35. Rg5 Bg7 36. Bh5 Qf6 37. Bg6+ Qxg6 38. Qh4+ Qh6 39. Rh5 Nf6 40. Rxh6+
Bxh6 41. g4 Kg6 42. Qf2 Nd7 43. Qh4 Be3+ 44. Kh1 Rf1+ [/pgn]


Rf1+
[pgn]
[Event "knight odds match"]
[Site "TalkChess"]
[Date "2021.05.30"]
[Round "1"]
[White "KomodoDragon2, MCTS."]
[Black "Whittington, Chris"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "Kaufman,Larry"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "89"]
[EventDate "2021.05.20"]
[EventType "match"]

1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. Nf3 Bg4 5. Be2 Nc6 6. c4 Nb6 7. e6 fxe6 8. O-O
g6 9. a4 a5 10. d5 Bxf3 11. Bxf3 exd5 12. cxd5 Ne5 13. Be4 Bg7 14. f4 Ned7 15.
f5 O-O 16. Ra3 Ne5 17. Rg3 Qe8 18. b3 c6 19. dxc6 bxc6 20. Rf2 e6 21. fxg6 Rxf2
22. gxh7+ Kh8 23. Kxf2 Qf7+ 24. Kg1 Rf8 25. h3 d5 26. Bf3 c5 27. Qe2 Nc6 28.
Bb2 Nd4 29. Qe1 Nd7 30. Bd1 e5 31. Rg5 e4 32. Qg3 Nf3+ 33. Bxf3 Bxb2 34. Rg8+
Kxh7 35. Rg5 Bg7 36. Bh5 Qf6 37. Bg6+ Qxg6 38. Qh4+ Qh6 39. Rh5 Nf6 40. Rxh6+
Bxh6 41. g4 Kg6 42. Qf2 Nd7 43. Qh4 Be3+ 44. Kh1 Rf1+ 45. Kg2 * [/pgn]
Komodo rules!
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Re: We are reaching the Max Odds that a top engine can give the top 3 GM's

Post by Chessqueen »

lkaufman wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 1:52 am
chrisw wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 11:17 pm
[pgn]
[Event "knight odds match"]
[Site "TalkChess"]
[Date "2021.05.30"]
[Round "1"]
[White "KomodoDragon2, MCTS."]
[Black "Whittington, Chris"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "Kaufman,Larry"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "87"]
[EventDate "2021.05.20"]
[EventType "match"]

1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. Nf3 Bg4 5. Be2 Nc6 6. c4 Nb6 7. e6 fxe6 8. O-O
g6 9. a4 a5 10. d5 Bxf3 11. Bxf3 exd5 12. cxd5 Ne5 13. Be4 Bg7 14. f4 Ned7 15.
f5 O-O 16. Ra3 Ne5 17. Rg3 Qe8 18. b3 c6 19. dxc6 bxc6 20. Rf2 e6 21. fxg6 Rxf2
22. gxh7+ Kh8 23. Kxf2 Qf7+ 24. Kg1 Rf8 25. h3 d5 26. Bf3 c5 27. Qe2 Nc6 28.
Bb2 Nd4 29. Qe1 Nd7 30. Bd1 e5 31. Rg5 e4 32. Qg3 Nf3+ 33. Bxf3 Bxb2 34. Rg8+
Kxh7 35. Rg5 Bg7 36. Bh5 Qf6 37. Bg6+ Qxg6 38. Qh4+ Qh6 39. Rh5 Nf6 40. Rxh6+
Bxh6 41. g4 Kg6 42. Qf2 Nd7 43. Qh4 Be3+ 44. Kh1 Rf1+ [/pgn]


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[pgn]
[Event "knight odds match"]
[Site "TalkChess"]
[Date "2021.05.30"]
[Round "1"]
[White "KomodoDragon2, MCTS."]
[Black "Whittington, Chris"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "Kaufman,Larry"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "89"]
[EventDate "2021.05.20"]
[EventType "match"]

1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. Nf3 Bg4 5. Be2 Nc6 6. c4 Nb6 7. e6 fxe6 8. O-O
g6 9. a4 a5 10. d5 Bxf3 11. Bxf3 exd5 12. cxd5 Ne5 13. Be4 Bg7 14. f4 Ned7 15.
f5 O-O 16. Ra3 Ne5 17. Rg3 Qe8 18. b3 c6 19. dxc6 bxc6 20. Rf2 e6 21. fxg6 Rxf2
22. gxh7+ Kh8 23. Kxf2 Qf7+ 24. Kg1 Rf8 25. h3 d5 26. Bf3 c5 27. Qe2 Nc6 28.
Bb2 Nd4 29. Qe1 Nd7 30. Bd1 e5 31. Rg5 e4 32. Qg3 Nf3+ 33. Bxf3 Bxb2 34. Rg8+
Kxh7 35. Rg5 Bg7 36. Bh5 Qf6 37. Bg6+ Qxg6 38. Qh4+ Qh6 39. Rh5 Nf6 40. Rxh6+
Bxh6 41. g4 Kg6 42. Qf2 Nd7 43. Qh4 Be3+ 44. Kh1 Rf1+ 45. Kg2 * [/pgn]
I learn a few things by watching and testing different weak engines around rated 2000 as Black against Stockfish 13 NNUE as White using the same last 10 positions played here and it is that most of those low rated engine know how to finish their opponent faster than human with a Knight advantage , but it is knowledge that I will keep to myself until the very end of this semi correspondence match with Chrisw vs Dragon2 MCTS.
chrisw
Posts: 4782
Joined: Tue Apr 03, 2012 4:28 pm
Location: Midi-Pyrénées
Full name: Christopher Whittington

Re: We are reaching the Max Odds that a top engine can give the top 3 GM's

Post by chrisw »

lkaufman wrote: Mon May 31, 2021 1:52 am
chrisw wrote: Sun May 30, 2021 11:17 pm
[pgn]
[Event "knight odds match"]
[Site "TalkChess"]
[Date "2021.05.30"]
[Round "1"]
[White "KomodoDragon2, MCTS."]
[Black "Whittington, Chris"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "Kaufman,Larry"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "87"]
[EventDate "2021.05.20"]
[EventType "match"]

1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. Nf3 Bg4 5. Be2 Nc6 6. c4 Nb6 7. e6 fxe6 8. O-O
g6 9. a4 a5 10. d5 Bxf3 11. Bxf3 exd5 12. cxd5 Ne5 13. Be4 Bg7 14. f4 Ned7 15.
f5 O-O 16. Ra3 Ne5 17. Rg3 Qe8 18. b3 c6 19. dxc6 bxc6 20. Rf2 e6 21. fxg6 Rxf2
22. gxh7+ Kh8 23. Kxf2 Qf7+ 24. Kg1 Rf8 25. h3 d5 26. Bf3 c5 27. Qe2 Nc6 28.
Bb2 Nd4 29. Qe1 Nd7 30. Bd1 e5 31. Rg5 e4 32. Qg3 Nf3+ 33. Bxf3 Bxb2 34. Rg8+
Kxh7 35. Rg5 Bg7 36. Bh5 Qf6 37. Bg6+ Qxg6 38. Qh4+ Qh6 39. Rh5 Nf6 40. Rxh6+
Bxh6 41. g4 Kg6 42. Qf2 Nd7 43. Qh4 Be3+ 44. Kh1 Rf1+ [/pgn]


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[pgn]
[Event "knight odds match"]
[Site "TalkChess"]
[Date "2021.05.30"]
[Round "1"]
[White "KomodoDragon2, MCTS."]
[Black "Whittington, Chris"]
[Result "*"]
[Annotator "Kaufman,Larry"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/R1BQKBNR w KQkq - 0 1"]
[PlyCount "89"]
[EventDate "2021.05.20"]
[EventType "match"]

1. e4 Nf6 2. e5 Nd5 3. d4 d6 4. Nf3 Bg4 5. Be2 Nc6 6. c4 Nb6 7. e6 fxe6 8. O-O
g6 9. a4 a5 10. d5 Bxf3 11. Bxf3 exd5 12. cxd5 Ne5 13. Be4 Bg7 14. f4 Ned7 15.
f5 O-O 16. Ra3 Ne5 17. Rg3 Qe8 18. b3 c6 19. dxc6 bxc6 20. Rf2 e6 21. fxg6 Rxf2
22. gxh7+ Kh8 23. Kxf2 Qf7+ 24. Kg1 Rf8 25. h3 d5 26. Bf3 c5 27. Qe2 Nc6 28.
Bb2 Nd4 29. Qe1 Nd7 30. Bd1 e5 31. Rg5 e4 32. Qg3 Nf3+ 33. Bxf3 Bxb2 34. Rg8+
Kxh7 35. Rg5 Bg7 36. Bh5 Qf6 37. Bg6+ Qxg6 38. Qh4+ Qh6 39. Rh5 Nf6 40. Rxh6+
Bxh6 41. g4 Kg6 42. Qf2 Nd7 43. Qh4 Be3+ 44. Kh1 Rf1+ 45. Kg2 Rf2+ [/pgn]


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