Time to rethink what Vasik Rajlich has done?

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Re: Time to rethink what Vasik Rajlich has done?

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It is just stupid to investigate a program through decompilation. If a participant doesn't want to provide the source code he is compelled to provide by regulations... Then just ban him. End of story, no circus.

I guess the life-time ban was just an overreaction by David Levy, because he was fed up by Vas' arrogant refusal to seriously cooperate in the investigation.
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hgm wrote: Mon Jul 05, 2021 7:27 pmI guess the life-time ban was just an overreaction by David Levy, because he was fed up by Vas' arrogant refusal to seriously cooperate in the investigation.
Why is it arrogant to not to cooperate in your own condemnation?
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He thought he could get away with no matter what, just because Rybka was so strong.
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hgm wrote: Mon Jul 05, 2021 8:28 pm He thought he could get away with no matter what, just because Rybka was so strong.
Did he say that? Or is that an assumption?
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Re: Time to rethink what Vasik Rajlich has done?

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hgm wrote: Mon Jul 05, 2021 7:27 pm It is just stupid to investigate a program through decompilation. If a participant doesn't want to provide the source code he is compelled to provide by regulations... Then just ban him. End of story, no circus.

I guess the life-time ban was just an overreaction by David Levy, because he was fed up by Vas' arrogant refusal to seriously cooperate in the investigation.
Well, your guesswork has already been specifically overruled by the professor of International Law who was asked to rule on ICGA Ethics violations during the process against Vas and who stated quite the opposite to your guess.

It’s also the case that nobody has to cooperate in any way with an organisation in general breach of the applicable Ethics Rules. Go take a look at the Ethics Committee web page where it is stated “following complaint of Vas Rajlich and Chris Whittington, ICGA is found guilty”.
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flok wrote: Mon Jul 05, 2021 8:34 pm
hgm wrote: Mon Jul 05, 2021 8:28 pm He thought he could get away with no matter what, just because Rybka was so strong.
Did he say that? Or is that an assumption?
There’s a psychology description of that, Mind Reading. It’s not meant in a positive way.
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flok wrote: Mon Jul 05, 2021 8:34 pm Did he say that? Or is that an assumption?
It is how he behaved.
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Regarding if Rajlich cooperated or not.

http://rebel13.nl/home/icga2.html
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Cooperating = providing source code, as he was obliged to
Failing to cooperate = failing to provide source code.

It is not really rocket science. It is also not something that is easy to smother in smoke.
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hgm wrote: Mon Jul 05, 2021 9:24 pm Cooperating = providing source code, as he was obliged to
Failing to cooperate = failing to provide source code.

It is not really rocket science. It is also not something that is easy to smother in smoke.
Even if he was/is guilty, banning for life by an organisation that can be seen as "an organisation that everyone listens to" thus effectively banning from computerchess in general - I find that a bit harsh.

Regarding the cooperating: the match was in 2006 and the problems started in 2011 right?