Gary Kasparov 58 Years old is no longer 2812 use your engine

[Chessqueen]

There was a chess player back in early 1900 that dressed like a clown and was a very decent player, I really like his dressing style, regardless how he played

Really? Who? Ask those who saw him back in the 1990's I was NOT alive yet


I remember a player who used to go to chess tournaments dressed in a white lab coat and rubber boots (wellingtons).

[lkaufman]

Today he scored 2 out of 9. His fide blitz rating dropped 157 Elo points to 2644. Aside from being rusty, it also shows just how much the level of chess has advanced, especially at blitz due to online play. Now i don’t feel so badly about my own fide dropping 200 points. It is another world now.

[Cornfed]

Today he scored 2 out of 9. His fide blitz rating dropped 157 Elo points to 2644. Aside from being rusty, it also shows just how much the level of chess has advanced, especially at blitz due to online play. Now i don’t feel so badly about my own fide dropping 200 points. It is another world now.

It's more about how Gary 'stopped' in time than 'chess advancing'. When you completely stop, you do not 'stay' where you WERE your ability atrophies. Simple.

He is playing here for 2/3 reasons:
1. Ego
2. Promotion of 'his' new Kasparov chess site
3. Probably some honorarium.

[mvanthoor]

Today he scored 2 out of 9. His fide blitz rating dropped 157 Elo points to 2644. Aside from being rusty, it also shows just how much the level of chess has advanced, especially at blitz due to online play. Now i don’t feel so badly about my own fide dropping 200 points. It is another world now.

I've seen some things happening in openings that were considered to be "bad" about 15 years ago; some profilactic moves, such as moving a knight to a6 instead of c6, to be able to attack a queen coming to b3, with Na6-c5. 15 years ago, nobody would even have considered 'developing' a knight to a6 in the opening.

It just shows how much opening theory changed over the years. Some of the old but revered chess pedagogic books from the 1950's - 1970's (many of them written by Max Euwe, on which many Dutch chess players were trained) could be so far out of date nowadays that they're possibly irrelevant.

I'm not a super strong chess player (FIDE 1800-2000 depending on how much effort I put into a game, with the average opening knowledge of a strong club player), but even I can see that openings and even middle game theories have changed a lot since I studied chess somewhat seriously in the 80's and 90's as a kid and teenager. If I can already see this, it will have a MASSIVE impact at the top level and how chess is played there.

[Chessqueen]

Today he scored 2 out of 9. His fide blitz rating dropped 157 Elo points to 2644. Aside from being rusty, it also shows just how much the level of chess has advanced, especially at blitz due to online play. Now i don’t feel so badly about my own fide dropping 200 points. It is another world now.

So his Blitz rating went down to 2655 approximately, that is average for inactivity and aging

[Cornfed]

Today he scored 2 out of 9. His fide blitz rating dropped 157 Elo points to 2644. Aside from being rusty, it also shows just how much the level of chess has advanced, especially at blitz due to online play. Now i don’t feel so badly about my own fide dropping 200 points. It is another world now.

So his Blitz rating went down to 2655 approximately, that is average for inactivity and aging

Actually...we are dealing with a very small sample size (and against a small group of highly rated players). If he played another 30 or 50 games...I can't project the trend but it would likely fall a lot further than 2655.

[lkaufman]

Today he scored 2 out of 9. His fide blitz rating dropped 157 Elo points to 2644. Aside from being rusty, it also shows just how much the level of chess has advanced, especially at blitz due to online play. Now i don’t feel so badly about my own fide dropping 200 points. It is another world now.

So his Blitz rating went down to 2655 approximately, that is average for inactivity and aging

Actually...we are dealing with a very small sample size (and against a small group of highly rated players). If he played another 30 or 50 games...I can't project the trend but it would likely fall a lot further than 2655.

First point is that 2655 is a wrong number, his blitz rating dropped from 2812 to 2801 in 2018 from a high level blitz tournament, indicating that he still played at top level then. But this time he dropped another 157 to 2644 now. He had already been retired for well over a decade in 2018, and played in further FRC events after that, so it's quite strange that he suddenly got rusty and old at 58. I don't have an explanation, and indeed his performance in these latest 18 games was way below even the 2644 rating. It partly shows that blitz greatly exaggerates rating differences, but it also shows that the other players in this event must be really strong blitz players by historical standards, as I'm sure that Kasparov is still quite a strong grandmaster in blitz. I suspect that if there were as many FIDE over the board blitz events for GMs as there are online blitz events, the top guys would have ratings like the 3200 or so seen on chess.com. Kasparov might now be "only" 2900 or so on such a scale. Computer evaluations of blitz game scores show that Carlsen for example is far more accurate than Bobby Fischer was, and he was in a class by himself in blitz half a century ago. Such is the progress of chess with the aid of computers and internet play.

[Chessqueen]

Today he scored 2 out of 9. His fide blitz rating dropped 157 Elo points to 2644. Aside from being rusty, it also shows just how much the level of chess has advanced, especially at blitz due to online play. Now i don’t feel so badly about my own fide dropping 200 points. It is another world now.

So his Blitz rating went down to 2655 approximately, that is average for inactivity and aging

Actually...we are dealing with a very small sample size (and against a small group of highly rated players). If he played another 30 or 50 games...I can't project the trend but it would likely fall a lot further than 2655.

First point is that 2655 is a wrong number, his blitz rating dropped from 2812 to 2801 in 2018 from a high level blitz tournament, indicating that he still played at top level then. But this time he dropped another 157 to 2644 now. He had already been retired for well over a decade in 2018, and played in further FRC events after that, so it's quite strange that he suddenly got rusty and old at 58. I don't have an explanation, and indeed his performance in these latest 18 games was way below even the 2644 rating. It partly shows that blitz greatly exaggerates rating differences, but it also shows that the other players in this event must be really strong blitz players by historical standards, as I'm sure that Kasparov is still quite a strong grandmaster in blitz. I suspect that if there were as many FIDE over the board blitz events for GMs as there are online blitz events, the top guys would have ratings like the 3200 or so seen on chess.com. Kasparov might now be "only" 2900 or so on such a scale. Computer evaluations of blitz game scores show that Carlsen for example is far more accurate than Bobby Fischer was, and he was in a class by himself in blitz half a century ago. Such is the progress of chess with the aid of computers and internet play.

So h0w did you do against Stockfish 14 in a few games of Knight Odds better than with Kom0do MCTS 2 ?

[lkaufman]

Today he scored 2 out of 9. His fide blitz rating dropped 157 Elo points to 2644. Aside from being rusty, it also shows just how much the level of chess has advanced, especially at blitz due to online play. Now i don’t feel so badly about my own fide dropping 200 points. It is another world now.

So his Blitz rating went down to 2655 approximately, that is average for inactivity and aging

Actually...we are dealing with a very small sample size (and against a small group of highly rated players). If he played another 30 or 50 games...I can't project the trend but it would likely fall a lot further than 2655.

First point is that 2655 is a wrong number, his blitz rating dropped from 2812 to 2801 in 2018 from a high level blitz tournament, indicating that he still played at top level then. But this time he dropped another 157 to 2644 now. He had already been retired for well over a decade in 2018, and played in further FRC events after that, so it's quite strange that he suddenly got rusty and old at 58. I don't have an explanation, and indeed his performance in these latest 18 games was way below even the 2644 rating. It partly shows that blitz greatly exaggerates rating differences, but it also shows that the other players in this event must be really strong blitz players by historical standards, as I'm sure that Kasparov is still quite a strong grandmaster in blitz. I suspect that if there were as many FIDE over the board blitz events for GMs as there are online blitz events, the top guys would have ratings like the 3200 or so seen on chess.com. Kasparov might now be "only" 2900 or so on such a scale. Computer evaluations of blitz game scores show that Carlsen for example is far more accurate than Bobby Fischer was, and he was in a class by himself in blitz half a century ago. Such is the progress of chess with the aid of computers and internet play.

So h0w did you do against Stockfish 14 in a few games of Knight Odds better than with Kom0do MCTS 2 ?

I played a blitz (4' + 2") game at knight odds with SF 14, but I won too easily, it just let me trade off all the pieces. I have almost no chance in blitz with Dragon at knight odds, even GM Lenderman struggled to win under similar conditions. I suppose an engine just can't give knight odds or more without a high Contempt setting. SF 14 doesn't even have a Contempt option, so it's useless for this purpose.

[Uri Blass]

Today he scored 2 out of 9. His fide blitz rating dropped 157 Elo points to 2644. Aside from being rusty, it also shows just how much the level of chess has advanced, especially at blitz due to online play. Now i don’t feel so badly about my own fide dropping 200 points. It is another world now.

So his Blitz rating went down to 2655 approximately, that is average for inactivity and aging

Actually...we are dealing with a very small sample size (and against a small group of highly rated players). If he played another 30 or 50 games...I can't project the trend but it would likely fall a lot further than 2655.

First point is that 2655 is a wrong number, his blitz rating dropped from 2812 to 2801 in 2018 from a high level blitz tournament, indicating that he still played at top level then. But this time he dropped another 157 to 2644 now. He had already been retired for well over a decade in 2018, and played in further FRC events after that, so it's quite strange that he suddenly got rusty and old at 58. I don't have an explanation, and indeed his performance in these latest 18 games was way below even the 2644 rating. It partly shows that blitz greatly exaggerates rating differences, but it also shows that the other players in this event must be really strong blitz players by historical standards, as I'm sure that Kasparov is still quite a strong grandmaster in blitz. I suspect that if there were as many FIDE over the board blitz events for GMs as there are online blitz events, the top guys would have ratings like the 3200 or so seen on chess.com. Kasparov might now be "only" 2900 or so on such a scale. Computer evaluations of blitz game scores show that Carlsen for example is far more accurate than Bobby Fischer was, and he was in a class by himself in blitz half a century ago. Such is the progress of chess with the aid of computers and internet play.

So h0w did you do against Stockfish 14 in a few games of Knight Odds better than with Kom0do MCTS 2 ?

I played a blitz (4' + 2") game at knight odds with SF 14, but I won too easily, it just let me trade off all the pieces. I have almost no chance in blitz with Dragon at knight odds, even GM Lenderman struggled to win under similar conditions. I suppose an engine just can't give knight odds or more without a high Contempt setting. SF 14 doesn't even have a Contempt option, so it's useless for this purpose.

I think that even with default setting there is no reason that the engine is going to allow trading pieces when it is knight down because the evaluation should discourage it and also it is better if the search is tuned to disourage it (meaning the search based on hoping that the opponent may miss some winning lines that are not easy to find in case that it see that the score with normal search is below some number).

contempt is something that should help in equal positions against inferior opponents.
Not something that should help with knight odds because the best practical chance is not to trade pieces regardless of the opponent.