AlphaZero to analyse “no-castling” match

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Re: AlphaZero to analyse “no-castling” match

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Madeleine Birchfield wrote: ↑Wed Jul 07, 2021 9:31 pm However I still think that current Stockfish, with or without NNUE, is stronger than AlphaZero at no-castling chess. Current Dragon is probably also stronger at no-castling chess than AlphaZero.
Under Arena GUI click Position ==> Set up position then ==> disable all Castling Possibilities and start the game :roll:

[pgn][Event "Computer chess game"]
[Site "MININT-UB2PIMJ"]
[Date "2021.07.07"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Stockfish_21070310_x64_bmi2"]
[Black "Stockfish_21070310_x64_bmi2"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[BlackElo "3520"]
[ECO "C47"]
[Opening "Four Knights"]
[Time "18:33:46"]
[Variation "Scotch, Main Line, 7...d5"]
[WhiteElo "3520"]
[TimeControl "60+0"]
[SetUp "1"]
[FEN "rnbqkbnr/pppppppp/8/8/8/8/PPPPPPPP/RNBQKBNR w - - 0 1"]
[Termination "adjudication"]
[PlyCount "130"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Nc3 Nf6 4. d4 exd4 5. Nxd4 Bb4 6. Nxc6 bxc6 7. Bd3
d5 8. Qe2 Bxc3+ 9. bxc3 dxe4 10. Bxe4 Nxe4 11. Qxe4+ Qe7 12. Qxe7+ Kxe7 13.
Bf4 Re8 14. Rd1 Rb8 15. Kd2 Be6 16. a3 Kd7 17. Kc1+ Kc8 18. Rhe1 Rb5 19.
Rd4 Ra5 20. Ree4 Rxa3 21. Ra4 Rxa4 22. Rxa4 Bd5 23. Rxa7 Re4 24. Rxc7+ Kd8
25. Bg3 Re7 26. Rxe7 Kxe7 27. f3 Bc4 28. Kd2 Bf1 29. Bh4+ f6 30. g4 g5 31.
Bf2 f5 32. gxf5 Kf6 33. Ke3 Kxf5 34. Bg3 h5 35. Bc7 Bc4 36. Bd8 Bb5 37. Be7
Bf1 38. c4 Bxc4 39. Kd4 Bb5 40. Ke3 Ba4 41. c3 Bb3 42. Bd8 Bd5 43. Bc7 Kg6
44. Kf2 Ba2 45. Bd6 Kf5 46. Ba3 g4 47. Bf8 Bc4 48. fxg4+ Kxg4 49. Be7 Kh3
50. Bd6 Bb3 51. Bc7 Bc4 52. Bd6 Bb3 53. Bc7 Bd1 54. Ke3 Bc2 55. Be5 Bg6 56.
Kd4 Bf7 57. Bd6 Bd5 58. Bc7 Bg2 59. Kc5 Kg4 60. Kd4 Kh3 61. Bd6 Bh1 62. Kc5
Bf3 63. Kb6 Bg2 64. Kb7 Bd5 65. Kb8 Bf3 {User Adjudication} 1/2-1/2[/pgn]
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Re: AlphaZero to analyse “no-castling” match

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Well today is the day to fine out if Stockfish is better than AlphaZero in 'No Castling Chess', so here is the link to the website I believe.

https://sparkassen-chess-trophy.de/en
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Re: AlphaZero to analyse “no-castling” match

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Anand -Kramnik has started!

Live View: https://live.chessbase.com/en/watch/nc- ... ters-2021/

YouTube:
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Re: AlphaZero to analyse “no-castling” match

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AdminX wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 4:33 pm Anand -Kramnik has started!

Live View: https://live.chessbase.com/en/watch/nc- ... ters-2021/

YouTube:
I believe that if you take away Castling the human might play the opening a little bit better than top Engines, but once the opening stage is over, the Top engines will once again catch up and destroy any human GM. By the way is there any electronic board that automatically annotate the game, so human do NOT have to waste time annotating.?
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Re: AlphaZero to analyse “no-castling” match

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Chessqueen wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 4:53 pm
AdminX wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 4:33 pm Anand -Kramnik has started!

Live View: https://live.chessbase.com/en/watch/nc- ... ters-2021/

YouTube:
By the way is there any electronic board that automatically annotate the game, so human do NOT have to waste time annotating.?
Not any that I am aware of. I think it maybe something that can be done with a DGTpi or Raspberry Pi with at DGT Chessboard connected to it however.
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Re: AlphaZero to analyse “no-castling” match

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AdminX wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 5:09 pm
Chessqueen wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 4:53 pm
AdminX wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 4:33 pm Anand -Kramnik has started!

Live View: https://live.chessbase.com/en/watch/nc- ... ters-2021/

YouTube:
By the way is there any electronic board that automatically annotate the game, so human do NOT have to waste time annotating.?
Not any that I am aware of. I think it maybe something that can be done with a DGTpi or Raspberry Pi with at DGT Chessboard connected to it however.
I wonder why nobody has done it yet, and at the end of the game the annotated game could be printed; but going back to GM Anand vs Kramnik game I prefer Anand Position :roll:
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Re: AlphaZero to analyse “no-castling” match

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Chessqueen wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 5:30 pm
AdminX wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 5:09 pm
Chessqueen wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 4:53 pm
AdminX wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 4:33 pm Anand -Kramnik has started!

Live View: https://live.chessbase.com/en/watch/nc- ... ters-2021/

YouTube:
By the way is there any electronic board that automatically annotate the game, so human do NOT have to waste time annotating.?
Not any that I am aware of. I think it maybe something that can be done with a DGTpi or Raspberry Pi with at DGT Chessboard connected to it however.
I wonder why nobody has done it yet, and at the end of the game the annotated game could be printed; but going back to GM Anand vs Kramnik game I prefer Anand Position :roll:
I do also, but I wonder if there is an age difference between the two that may become a factor ...
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I was hoping that there would be audio commentary with the AlphaZero analysis during the live game. The discussion of AlphaZero vs Stockfish or Komodo output would have been interesting to listen to.
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Re: AlphaZero to analyse “no-castling” match

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Game 1:

[pgn]
[Event "NC World Masters 2021"]
[Site "Dortmund"]
[Date "2021.07.14"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Anand, Viswanathan"]
[Black "Kramnik, Vladimir"]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "D40"]
[WhiteElo "2753"]
[BlackElo "2753"]
[Annotator "ChessBase"]
[PlyCount "131"]
[EventDate "2021.07.12"]
[EventType "match"]
[EventCountry "GER"]
[SourceTitle "playchess.com"]
[Source "ChessBase"]
[SourceQuality "1"]
[TimeControl "40/5400+30:1800+30"]

1. c4 {7} c5 {21} 2. Nf3 {40} e6 {26} 3. e3 {64} d5 {137} 4. d4 {62} Nf6 {374}
5. Nc3 {144} a6 {54} 6. dxc5 {223} Bxc5 {107} 7. a3 {16} Nc6 {307} 8. b4 {20}
Ba7 {75} 9. Bb2 {25} h5 {190} (9... O-O $11) 10. Qc2 {383} h4 {247} 11. Rd1 {
100} Kf8 {476} 12. Rg1 {301} (12. Be2 $16) 12... Ne7 {1030} 13. g4 {628} hxg3 {
83} 14. hxg3 {20} Bd7 {133 [#]} 15. g4 $1 {236} Qc7 {426} 16. g5 {428} Ne8 {9}
17. Qd3 {620} Bc6 {329} 18. cxd5 {168} exd5 {465} ({Better is} 18... Rd8 $14)
19. Ne2 {329} Bb5 {59} 20. Qb1 {173} Ng6 {285 [#]} 21. Nc3 $1 {746} ({Of
course not} 21. Rxd5 Bc6 $11) 21... Bxf1 {116} 22. Rxf1 {119} Rd8 {407} 23.
Rxd5 {402} Rxd5 {353} 24. Nxd5 {9} Qd7 {173} 25. Nc3 {269} Rh3 {98} 26. Qe4 {
149} Nd6 {79 [#]} 27. Qd5 $1 {37} Kg8 {125 [#]} (27... Bb8 $16) 28. Ne4 $1 {118
} Rxf3 {23} 29. Nxd6 {100} Qh3 {51} 30. Nc4 {54} ({Not} 30. Nxb7 $2 Bxe3 {Pin}
31. Qc4 {[#]} Qd7 $1 $19 {Remove Defender}) ({Worse is} 30. Qxb7 Rxe3+ 31. fxe3
Qxe3+ {Double Attack} 32. Kd1 Qd3+ {Double Attack} 33. Ke1 Qe3+ 34. Kd1 Qd3+ {
Double Attack} 35. Ke1 Qe3+ $11) 30... Qg2 {18} 31. Qd8+ {87} Kh7 {11} 32. Qa8
{13} Nf4 {70} 33. Qxa7 {81} Nd3+ {8} 34. Ke2 {9} Nxf2 {4} 35. Rg1 {39} Qxg1 {29
} 36. Qd4 {59} Qxg5 {77} 37. Kxf3 {10} Nh3 {30} 38. Nd6 {76} Ng1+ {19} 39. Kf2
{7} Nh3+ {13} 40. Ke1 {13} Qg3+ {52} 41. Kd1 {1926} f6 {340} 42. Qe4+ {0} Kh8 {
193} 43. Qe8+ {0} Kh7 {1} 44. Qh5+ {0} Kg8 {2} 45. Qf7+ {0} Kh8 {44} 46. Qh5+
$2 {0} ({White should try} 46. Nxb7 $18 Qf3+ 47. Kc2) 46... Kg8 {2} 47. Qd5+ {0
} Kh8 {115} 48. Nxb7 {0} Qxe3 {100} 49. Nc5 {0} Nf2+ {106} 50. Kc2 {0} Qe2+ {91
} 51. Kb3 {0} a5 {180} 52. bxa5 {0} Qb5+ {25} 53. Ka2 {0} Qxa5 {14 [#]} 54.
Bxf6 $1 {0} Qe1 {170} 55. Bb2 {0} Nd1 {14} 56. Qa8+ {0} Kh7 {4} 57. Qe4+ {0}
Qxe4 {6} 58. Nxe4 {0} Kg6 {4} 59. Bd4 {0} Kf5 {6} 60. Nc5 {0} g5 {25} 61. a4 {0
} g4 {18} 62. a5 {0} g3 {2} 63. a6 {0} g2 {4} 64. Kb3 {0} Kf4 {4} 65. a7 {0}
Ne3 {7} 66. Ne6+ {0} 1-0
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Re: AlphaZero to analyse “no-castling” match

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AdminX wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 1:33 pm Well today is the day to fine out if Stockfish is better than AlphaZero in 'No Castling Chess', so here is the link to the website I believe.

https://sparkassen-chess-trophy.de/en
I can NOT find where Stockfish is playing Versus AlphaZero in 'No Castling Chess' ?
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