A bit of help for CCRL

[Sylwy]

Embla_2.0.7-x64 has played in Blitz rating list only 5 (five) games and has 2379 Elo points rating (wow !).



I offer a match of 100 games. Unfortunately the rating drops to 2182 Elo points.





Der Bringer 1.9 has 2373 Elo points (CCRL Blitz).



[pgn]
[Event "Embla_2.0.7_x64_Test"]
[Site "ISR 3"]
[Date "2021.10.16"]
[Round "96"]
[White "Bringer 1.9"]
[Black "Embla_207-64"]
[Result "0-1"]
[BlackElo "2200"]
[ECO "E15"]
[Opening "Queen's Indian"]
[Time "11:18:41"]
[Variation "Nimzowitsch, 5.b3 Bb4+, Main Line"]
[WhiteElo "2200"]
[TimeControl "240+2"]
[Termination "adjudication"]
[PlyCount "147"]
[WhiteType "program"]
[BlackType "program"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. Nf3 e6 3. c4 b6 4. g3 Ba6 5. b3 Bb4+ 6. Bd2 Be7 7. Bg2 c6 8.
Bc3 d5 9. Nbd2 Qc7 {(Qd8-c7 Qd1-c2 Nb8-d7 a2-a4 Nf6-g4 h2-h3) -0.14/14 8}
10. O-O {(10.O-O O-O 11.Qc2 b5 12.c5 Nbd7 13.Ng5 e5 14.dxe5 Nxe5 15.Qf5
<Mat=0,50=1>) -0.07/12 8} Nbd7 {(Nb8-d7 Qd1-c2 h7-h5 h2-h3 Be7-d6 a2-a4
Ke8-e7 Rf1-e1 d5xc4 Nd2xc4 Ba6xc4) +0.24/13 5} 11. Ng5 {(11.Ng5 O-O 12.e4
h6 13.Nh3 dxe4 <Mat=-100,50=0>) -0.01/12 11} Ng4 {(Nf6-g4 h2-h3 Be7xg5
h3xg4 b6-b5 f2-f4 Bg5-e7 Qd1-c2 b5xc4 b3xc4) +1.18/12 4} 12. e4 {(12.e4 Nh6
13.h4 O-O 14.Qc2 dxc4 <Mat=-100,50=0>) +0.23/11 7} h5 {(h7-h5) +0.90/13 6}
13. Nh3 {(13.Nh3 dxe4 14.Nxe4 Ndf6 15.Nhg5 Nxe4 16.Nxe4 O-O-O 17.Qf3 f5
18.Nd2 <Mat=0,50=1>) +0.53/11 6} dxc4 {(d5xc4 b3xc4) +1.04/12 4} 14. bxc4
{(14.bxc4 O-O 15.Nf4 g6 16.e5 Nh6 17.Qf3 Bb7 <Mat=0,50=3>) +0.76/11 5} b5
{(b6-b5 Nh3-f4) +0.91/13 4} 15. Qe2 {(15.Qe2 O-O 16.Nf4 g6 17.f3
<Mat=0,50=0>) +0.78/10 6} Nb6 {(Nd7-b6 Nh3-f4 Nb6-a4) +1.22/11 6} 16. a3
{(16.a3 Qd7 17.Ra2 O-O <Mat=0,50=3>) +0.65/10 10} Na4 {(Nb6-a4 Rf1-c1 O-O-O
Qe2-f3 Na4xc3 Qf3xc3 b5xc4 Nd2xc4 Ba6xc4 Qc3xc4 Kc8-b7) +1.71/11 7} 17. Bb4
{(17.Bb4 bxc4 18.Bxe7 Qxe7 19.e5 Bb5 <Mat=-100,50=1>) +0.52/11 5} Rd8
{(Ra8-d8 f2-f3 Ng4-h6 Nh3-f4) +1.91/12 5} 18. Bxe7 {(18.Bxe7 Qxe7 19.Nf3
bxc4 <Mat=-100,50=0>) +0.56/10 6} Kxe7 {(Ke8xe7 f2-f3 Ng4-h6 Qe2-e3 b5xc4
Qe3-g5+) +2.42/15 15} 19. d5 {(19.d5 <Mat=0,50=0>) +0.37/10 9} bxc4 {(b5xc4
Ra1-c1 Na4-b2 Nh3-g5 Qc7-a5 Qe2-f3 f7-f6) +2.79/12 11} 20. Ng5 {(20.Ng5 Bb5
21.dxc6 Qxc6 <Mat=-100,50=0>) -0.36/10 26} Bb5 {(Ba6-b5 Qe2-f3 Ng4-f6)
+3.49/12 8} 21. Rfb1 {(21.Rfb1 c3 22.Qf3 Ke8 <Mat=-100,50=2>) -0.35/9 7} a6
{(a7-a6 Nd2xc4 c6xd5 e4xd5 Bb5xc4) +3.28/11 6} 22. Nf1 {(22.Nf1 Qe5 23.Nf3
<Mat=-100,50=3>) -0.21/8 4} c3 {(c4-c3) +3.20/12 5} 23. Qf3 {(23.Qf3 Rhf8
24.h3 Qe5 25.Nh7 Rh8 26.hxg4 cxd5 27.exd5 <Mat=235,50=0>) +0.05/10 10} Nf6
{(Ng4-f6) +3.02/11 4} 24. dxe6 {(24.dxe6 fxe6 25.Bh3 c2 26.Re1
<Mat=-100,50=1>) +0.88/10 9} fxe6 {(f7xe6) +2.73/12 9} 25. e5 {(25.e5 Qxe5
26.Nxe6 Be2 27.Qxc6) +0.76/10 11} Qxe5 {(Qc7xe5 Ng5xe6 Rd8-d3 Rb1-e1 Qe5xe1
Ra1xe1 Rd3xf3 Bg2xf3 Ke7-f7 Ne6-g5+ Kf7-g6) +1.32/11 5} 26. Nxe6 {(26.Nxe6
Be2 27.Qxc6 Qxe6 28.Qxa4 Qc4 29.Rb4 Qd3 <Mat=0,50=3>) +0.90/10 12} Rd3
{(Rd8-d3 Ne6-f4 Rd3xf3 Nf4-g6+ Ke7-e6 Ng6xe5 Rf3xf2 Kg1xf2 Ke6xe5 Rb1-e1+
Ke5-d6 Re1-d1+ Nf6-d5) +1.32/12 5} 27. Qf4 {(27.Qf4 Qxf4 28.Nxf4 Rhd8
29.Nxd3) +1.58/11 12} Ng4 {(Nf6-g4) +0.52/12 12} 28. Re1 {(28.Re1 Qxf4
29.Nxf4+ Kd7 30.Nxd3) +1.91/10 3} Qxf4 {(Qe5xf4 Ne6xf4+) +0.25/13 7} 29.
Nxf4+ {(29.Nxf4+ Kd6 30.Nxd3 Bxd3 31.Rad1 Nb2 32.Rdc1 Na4 33.h3 Nf6
<Mat=85,50=1>) +1.76/11 5} Kd6 {(Ke7-d6 Nf4xd3 Bb5xd3 Nf1-e3) +0.08/13 6}
30. Nxd3 {(30.Nxd3 Bxd3 31.Rad1 Nc5 32.Ne3 Kc7 33.Nxg4 c2 34.Ra1) +1.77/12
8} Bxd3 {(Bb5xd3 Nf1-e3 Na4-c5 Ra1-c1) +0.24/15 6} 31. f3 {(31.f3 Ne5
32.Ne3 <Mat=85,50=2>) +1.70/11 6} Nf6 {(Ng4-f6 Nf1-e3 Kd6-c7 Bg2-f1 Bd3xf1
Ne3xf1 Nf6-d5 Ra1-d1 Na4-c5 Re1-e2 Rh8-b8) +0.40/13 5} 32. Ne3 {(32.Ne3 Kc7
33.Rad1 Rd8 34.Bh1 Bg6 35.Ra1 <Mat=85,50=8>) +1.55/11 6} Kc7 {(Kd6-c7
Ra1-d1 Na4-b2 Rd1-c1 Nb2-a4 Rc1-d1) +0.25/14 4} 33. Bh1 {(33.Bh1
<Mat=85,50=4>) +1.39/10 4} Rb8 {(Rh8-b8 Bh1-g2 Na4-c5 Ra1-c1 Rb8-b3 Ne3-c2
Kc7-d7 Re1-e5 Kd7-d6) +1.03/11 7} 34. Rac1 {(34.Rac1 Nd5 35.Red1 Nxe3
36.Rxd3 Nf5 37.g4 hxg4 38.fxg4 Nh6) +1.21/11 4} Rb2 {(Rb8-b2 Ne3-d1 Rb2-b3
Re1-e7+ Kc7-d6 Re7xg7 c3-c2 Nd1-f2 Na4-c5 Rg7-f7 Rb3-b1) +0.70/13 6} 35.
Nd1 {(35.Nd1 Nd5 36.f4 Rc2 37.Rxc2 Bxc2 38.Nf2 Bg6 <Mat=85,50=2>) +1.19/11
3} Rb3 {(Rb2-b3 Nd1-f2 Bd3-f5) +0.38/13 4} 36. Nf2 {(36.Nf2 Bc4 37.Nh3 Kc8
<Mat=85,50=13>) +1.38/10 3} Nc5 {(Na4-c5 Re1-e5) +1.48/14 10} 37. f4
{(37.f4 <Mat=85,50=0>) +1.23/10 3} c2 {(c3-c2 Bh1xc6) +1.33/13 4} 38. h3
{(38.h3 Rxa3 39.Kh2 Bf5 40.g4 hxg4 41.hxg4 Nxg4+ 42.Nxg4 Bxg4 43.Rxc2
<Mat=-15,50=0>) +0.28/10 5} Rxa3 {(Rb3xa3 Re1-e7+ Kc7-d6 Re7-e3 Ra3-c3
Bh1-f3 Nf6-d5) +1.79/12 5} 39. Re7+ {(39.Re7+ Kd6 40.Re3 Rc3 41.Kh2 Nd5
42.Ree1 a5) +0.02/11 4} Kd6 {(Kc7-d6 Re7-e3) +1.38/14 7} 40. Re3 {(40.Re3
Rc3 41.Rf3 g6 42.Bg2 Nd5 43.Bf1 Bxf1 44.Rxc3 Nxc3 45.Kxf1 N3e4
<Mat=-15,50=1>) -0.18/12 4} Rc3 {(Ra3-c3 Nf2xd3 Nc5xd3) +1.31/15 3} 41. Rf3
{(41.Rf3 <Mat=-15,50=5>) -0.82/12 5} Nd5 {(Nf6-d5 Nf2xd3 Nc5xd3 Rc1xc2
Rc3xc2 Rf3xd3 Rc2-c1+ Kg1-h2 Rc1-c3 Rd3xc3 Nd5xc3 Bh1-f3 g7-g6 f4-f5 g6xf5)
+1.82/14 2} 42. f5 {(42.f5 Ke5 43.g4 Nb3 44.Nxd3+ Rxd3 45.Rxc2 Rd1+ 46.Kh2
Nd4 47.Rff2 Nxc2 48.Rxc2 hxg4 49.hxg4 <Mat=-95,50=0>) -0.98/13 4} Ke5
{(Kd6-e5 Nf2xd3+ Nc5xd3 Rc1xc2 Rc3xc2 Rf3xd3 Rc2-c1+ Kg1-h2 a6-a5 Rd3-a3)
+2.18/12 2} 43. f6 {(43.f6 gxf6 44.Bg2 Ke6 45.Bf1 Nb3 46.Re1+ Kd7 47.Rxd3
c1=Q 48.Rxc1 Nxc1 <Mat=-195,50=0>) -1.02/12 5} Nxf6 {(Nd5xf6 Nf2xd3+ Nc5xd3
Rf3xd3 Rc3xd3 Rc1xc2 Rd3xg3+ Kg1-h2 h5-h4 Rc2xc6 Rg3-a3 Rc6-c5+ Ke5-d4
Rc5-g5 Ra3-a2+ Bh1-g2) +2.64/12 2} 44. g4 {(44.g4 Nfe4 45.Rf5+
<Mat=-115,50=2>) -1.35/11 3} hxg4 {(h5xg4 h3xg4 Ke5-d4 g4-g5 Nf6-e4 Rf3-f4
Kd4-e3 Rf4-f8 Ne4xf2 Rf8xf2 Nc5-e6 Rc1-e1+ Ke3-d4) +3.00/11 2} 45. hxg4
{(45.hxg4 Nfe4 46.Nxe4 Kxe4 <Mat=-115,50=0>) -1.86/12 4} Kd4 {(Ke5-d4
Rf3-h3 Bd3-e4 g4-g5 Rc3xh3 Nf2xh3 Nc5-b3 Rc1xc2 Be4xc2 g5xf6 g7xf6 Bh1xc6)
+2.93/12 3} 46. g5 {(46.g5 Nfe4 47.Rf4 Ke5 48.Nxd3+ Nxd3 49.Rxe4+ Kf5
50.Rxc2 Rxc2 51.Re7 Kxg5) -1.70/12 3} Nd5 {(Nf6-d5 Rf3-h3) +5.37/14 5} 47.
Rf7 {(47.Rf7 Nb3 48.Nxd3 Kxd3 49.Rxc2 Kxc2 50.Rxg7 Rc4 51.Kf2 a5 52.Rf7 Rg4
<Mat=-430,50=2>) -4.31/12 7} Bg6 {(Bd3-g6 Bh1xd5 c6xd5 Rf7xg7 Nc5-b3 Rc1-f1
c2-c1Q) +5.26/15 3} 48. Rxg7 {(48.Rxg7 Rb3 49.Kh2 Rb1 50.Rxc2
<Mat=85,50=0>) -4.36/12 4} Nb3 {(Nc5-b3 Rc1-e1 c2-c1Q Re1xc1 Rc3xc1+ Kg1-h2
Bg6-f5 Rg7-a7 Kd4-e3 Kh2-g3 Rc1-g1+ Bh1-g2) +5.40/13 2} 49. Re1 {(49.Re1
c1=Q 50.Rxc1 Rxc1+ 51.Kh2 Bc2) -4.45/12 3} c1=Q {(c2-c1Q Re1xc1 Rc3xc1+
Kg1-h2 Bg6-f5 Bh1xd5 c6xd5 Kh2-g3 Rc1-e1 Rg7-f7 Bf5-c2 Nf2-g4 Nb3-d2 Kg3-g2
Kd4-c5) +5.46/14 2} 50. Rxc1 {(50.Rxc1 Rxc1+ 51.Kh2 Bc2 52.Rd7 Rf1 53.Kg2
<Mat=-435,50=5>) -4.59/12 3} Rxc1+ {(Rc3xc1+ Kg1-h2 Bg6-f5 Bh1xd5 c6xd5
Kh2-g3 Rc1-e1 Rg7-f7 Bf5-c2 Nf2-g4 Nb3-d2 Ng4-f6 Re1-g1+ Kg3-f4 Rg1-f1+)
+5.54/14 2} 51. Kh2 {(51.Kh2 Bc2 52.Rd7 Rf1 53.Rf7) -4.70/12 5} Bf5
{(Bg6-f5 Bh1xd5) +5.69/14 1} 52. Rf7 {(52.Rf7 Bc2 53.Nh3 a5 54.Ng1 Rd1
55.Nf3+ Kc5 56.Ne5 <Mat=-435,50=5>) -4.66/11 3} Ke5 {(Kd4-e5 Bh1xd5 c6xd5
Rf7-f6 a6-a5 Kh2-g2) +5.85/13 2} 53. Bg2 {(53.Bg2 Nf4 54.Re7+ Be6 55.Be4
Rf1 56.Nd3+ Kxe4 57.Nxf4 <Mat=-440,50=0>) -4.84/10 4} Nd2 {(Nb3-d2 Rf7-a7
Rc1-a1 Ra7-f7 Nd2-f1+ Bg2xf1 Ra1xf1 Kh2-g2) +5.99/12 5} 54. Rf8 {(54.Rf8
Nf4 55.Re8+ Ne6 <Mat=-435,50=10>) -4.95/10 2} Rc3 {(Rc1-c3 Nf2-d1 Rc3-a3
Rf8-h8 Nd2-f3+ Bg2xf3 Ra3xf3 Kh2-g2 Ke5-f4 Rh8-h6 Kf4xg5 Rh6xc6) +6.02/11
1} 55. Nd1 {(55.Nd1 Rb3 56.Nf2 Nf3+ 57.Bxf3 Rxf3 <Mat=-440,50=0>) -5.09/10
3} Ra3 {(Rc3-a3 Nd1-f2 Nd2-f3+) +6.11/12 2} 56. Nf2 {(56.Nf2 Nf3+ 57.Bxf3
Rxf3 58.Kg2 Re3 59.Ra8 <Mat=-440,50=3>) -5.19/11 2} Nf3+ {(Nd2-f3+)
+6.14/12 2} 57. Bxf3 {(57.Bxf3 Rxf3 58.Kg2 Ra3 59.Kh2 Nf4 60.Ra8 Ng6
<Mat=-440,50=6> <TB=72>) -5.82/14 5} Rxf3 {(Ra3xf3 Kh2-g2 Rf3-b3 Kg2-h2
Nd5-f4 Rf8-g8 Nf4-e6 g5-g6 Ke5-f4 Rg8-e8 Kf4-g5 Re8-c8 Rb3-b6) +6.45/14 3}
58. Kg2 {(58.Kg2 Ra3 59.Kh2 Nf4 60.Ra8 Ng6 61.Rb8 Nh4 62.Rg8 Kf4 <TB=14>)
-5.97/13 2} Rb3 {(Rf3-b3 Kg2-h2) +6.56/14 2} 59. Kh2 {(59.Kh2 Nf4 60.Rd8
Rf3 61.Rd2 <Mat=-440,50=7> <TB=30>) -6.21/12 5} Nf4 {(Nd5-f4 Rf8-a8 Rb3-f3
Nf2-d1 Rf3-h3+) +6.73/13 4} 60. Rd8 {(60.Rd8 c5 61.Rd2 Ne6 62.Ra2 Rb6
63.Nh3 Bxh3 64.Kxh3 Nxg5+ 65.Kg4 Ne4 <TB=54>) -6.34/12 4} Be6 {(Bf5-e6
Rd8-h8 Rb3-f3 Kh2-g1 Rf3-g3+ Kg1-f1 Rg3xg5 Kf1-e1 Rg5-g3 Ke1-d2 Be6-g8
Kd2-c2 Ke5-d4) +7.19/12 2} 61. Rd2 {(61.Rd2 Bd5 62.Ng4+ Kf5 63.Nf6 Rh3+
64.Kg1 Rh1+ 65.Kf2 Nh3+ 66.Ke3 Nxg5 67.Rf2+ Bf3) -6.35/11 2} Bd5 {(Be6-d5
g5-g6 Ke5-f6 Rd2-d4 Rb3-f3 Nf2-e4+ Kf6xg6 Rd4-a4) +7.34/13 3} 62. Rd1
{(62.Rd1 <Mat=-440,50=9> <TB=51>) -6.45/11 3} Rf3 {(Rb3-f3 Rd1-d2 Ke5-f5
g5-g6 Kf5xg6) +8.09/16 4} 63. Rd2 {(63.Rd2 a5 64.g6 Nxg6 65.Nd3+ Kd6 66.Ne1
Rf5 67.Nc2 a4 68.Kg1 Rf4 <Mat=-540,50=2> <TB=65>) -6.82/12 1} Kf5 {(Ke5-f5
g5-g6 Kf5xg6 Rd2-c2 Kg6-g5 Kh2-g1 Rf3-g3+ Kg1-f1 Rg3-b3 Kf1-g1 Rb3-f3
Kg1-h2 c6-c5 Rc2-b2 Rf3-e3 Rb2-b6 a6-a5 Rb6-a6 Re3-f3) +8.10/15 5} 64. g6
{(64.g6 <Mat=-440,50=0> <TB=12>) -6.91/11 2} Kxg6 {(Kf5xg6 Rd2-b2 c6-c5
Kh2-g1 Kg6-g7 Rb2-b6 Rf3-g3+ Kg1-f1) +8.40/15 3} 65. Nd1 {(65.Nd1 a5 66.Nb2
Rh3+ 67.Kg1 c5 68.Kf2 c4 <Mat=-540,50=0> <TB=19>) -7.02/12 3} c5 {(c6-c5
Nd1-b2 Kg6-g7 Kh2-g1 c5-c4 Rd2xd5 Nf4xd5) +8.33/13 3} 66. Nb2 {(66.Nb2 Rc3
67.Na4 <Mat=-540,50=3> <TB=149>) -7.97/12 4} Kg7 {(Kg6-g7 Kh2-g1 c5-c4
Rd2xd5 Nf4xd5) +8.42/12 5} 67. Kg1 {(67.Kg1 a5 68.Rc2 a4 69.Nxa4 Bb3
70.Rxc5 Bxa4 <TB=139>) -7.18/12 3} a5 {(a6-a5 Rd2-c2 Nf4-h3+ Kg1-h2 Nh3-g5
Kh2-g1 Rf3-h3 Rc2-e2 Rh3-h1+ Kg1-f2 Ng5-e4+ Kf2-e3) +8.79/13 4} 68. Rc2
{(68.Rc2 a4 69.Nxa4 Bb3 70.Rxc5 Bxa4 71.Ra5 Bb3 <TB=160>) -7.22/11 2} Nh3+
{(Nf4-h3+ Kg1-h2) +8.45/12 2} 69. Kh2 {(69.Kh2 Ng5 70.Kg1 Rh3 71.Re2 c4
<Mat=-540,50=0> <TB=386>) -7.07/12 2} Ng5 {(Nh3-g5 Kh2-g1 Rf3-h3 Rc2-e2
c5-c4 Nb2-a4 c4-c3) +9.00/14 2} 70. Kg1 {(70.Kg1 Rh3 71.Re2 c4
<Mat=-540,50=0> <TB=218>) -7.71/12 2} Rh3 {(Rf3-h3 Rc2-e2 c5-c4 Re2-e7+
Kg7-f6 Re7-d7) +8.68/13 3} 71. Rg2 {(71.Rg2 Bxg2 72.Kxg2 Kf6 73.Kf1
<TB=504>) -8.74/12 3} Bxg2 {(Bd5xg2 Kg1xg2 Rh3-b3 Nb2-c4 a5-a4 Kg2-f1
a4-a3) +12.50/14 4} 72. Kxg2 {(72.Kxg2 c4 <Mat=-720,50=0> <TB=2116>)
-14.50/14 2} Rb3 {(Rh3-b3 Nb2-c4 a5-a4 Kg2-f1 a4-a3) +12.74/14 2} 73. Na4
{(73.Na4 Ra3 74.Nxc5 <Mat=-620,50=0> <TB=7329>) -14.00/15 3} Ne4 {(Ng5-e4)
+13.25/12 3} 74. Kf1 {(74.Kf1 Rb4 75.Ke1 Rxa4 76.Ke2 Rd4 77.Kf3 a4 78.Ke3
a3 79.Kf3 a2 80.Ke2 a1=Q <Mat=-1955,50=0> <TB=12262>) -22.05/14 4 Arena
Adjudication} 0-1
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[amanjpro]

Please try to understand rating system and the statistics behind it before trying to figure out engine ratings, please... 100 games is as statistically irrelevant as 5 games, and results against one engine is even less relevant

[Sylwy]

Please try to understand rating system and the statistics behind it before trying to figure out engine ratings, please... 100 games is as statistically irrelevant as 5 games, and results against one engine is even less relevant

Zahak 7.0_x64_avx2 has around 2925 Elo points (in my single match test).
Zahak 7.1 x64-bit has 2897 elo points (CCRL Blitz rating list)-after 600 games.
Not bad for a single match test (100 games) !



I understand enough behind your post.
I don't give a rating (I'm not CCRL, CEGT or SSFD - I can't have their computing resources) but only an approximation after 100 games. I've said this thing before I don't know how many times. Who wants to read my posts-OK ...... who doesn't ... again OK. However, it seems ridiculous to me to keep a rating after only five games in a list with such pretensions for so long. That's what I wanted to show. I offered another 100. For free.....
A beautiful weekend!

[amanjpro]

Please try to understand rating system and the statistics behind it before trying to figure out engine ratings, please... 100 games is as statistically irrelevant as 5 games, and results against one engine is even less relevant

Zahak 7.0_x64_avx2 has around 2925 Elo points (in my single match test).
Zahak 7.1 x64-bit has 2897 elo points (CCRL Blitz rating list)-after 600 games.
Not bad for a single match test (100 games) !

Except it was the 32-bit binary that was tested, which CCRL team acknowledged and kindly retesting it

I understand enough behind your post.
I don't give a rating (I'm not CCRL, CEGT or SSFD - I can't have their computing resources) but only an approximation after 100 games. I've said this thing before I don't know how many times. Who wants to read my posts-OK ...... who doesn't ... again OK. However, it seems ridiculous to me to keep a rating after only five games in a list with such pretensions for so long. That's what I wanted to show. I offered another 100. For free.....
A beautiful weekend!

I have no issue about you posting your results, I appreciate them too... but I have issues declaring your estimate rating, because it is just misleading


And the CCRL rating that you refer, it is not in the main list, it is in the all the in progress or once in progress but not finished list

[Sylwy]

And the CCRL rating that you refer, it is not in the main list, it is in the all the in progress or once in progress but not finished list

No way. CCRL has many positions - in the main list - for which testing is stopped after a few games (as in the case of Embla). Probably less promising versions. Just one more example: Marvin 4.0.1 A later version (5.1.0) has over 1000 games. Do you think that someone will resume testing version 4.0.1 ???

[Sylwy]

And the CCRL rating that you refer, it is not in the main list, it is in the all the in progress or once in progress but not finished list

No way. CCRL has many positions - in the main list - for which testing is stopped after a few games (as in the case of Embla). Probably less promising versions. Just one more example: Marvin 4.0.1 A later version (5.1.0) has over 1000 games. Do you think that someone will resume testing version 4.0.1 ???

Regarding the first problem - they could at least mention that it is a 32-bit version.

[amanjpro]

And the CCRL rating that you refer, it is not in the main list, it is in the all the in progress or once in progress but not finished list

No way. CCRL has many positions - in the main list - for which testing is stopped after a few games (as in the case of Embla). Probably less promising versions. Just one more example: Marvin 4.0.1 A later version (5.1.0) has over 1000 games. Do you think that someone will resume testing version 4.0.1 ???

That is why I said "or once in progress", at somepoint it was in progress, but for whatever reason it was not continued.

Zahak 2.0.0 was being tested, then I released 3.0, so CCRL abandoned testing the older version and started testing the newest version... BTW, what is this discussion about again?

All I say is, your 100 game match is fun to see, statistically irrelevant and doesn't give us any clearer idea for the rating of the engine

[Sylwy]

1.-... BTW, what is this discussion about again?

2.-All I say is, your 100 game match is fun to see, statistically irrelevant and doesn't give us any clearer idea for the rating of the engine

1.- Well, a good question for you too !

2.- My post always shows / will show a test of 100 games. They are only indicative. I do not maintain a list of ratings.

Already the discussion becomes funny so I will stop here. Everyone speaks a different language.

[Uri Blass]

Please try to understand rating system and the statistics behind it before trying to figure out engine ratings, please... 100 games is as statistically irrelevant as 5 games, and results against one engine is even less relevant

100 games are clearly more than 5 games and I disagree that they are statistically irrelevant(only that they cannot give an accurate rating without a small possible mistake of something like 30 elo).

If A get 75.5 points out of 100 against B then I am practically sure that A is stronger than B and I do not know of a single example when it is not the case.

Results against a single engine are clearly relevant and I do not know of 3 engines when A get 75.5 points out of 100 against B and B beat C in a match of 100 games and C beat A in a match of 100 games.

[xr_a_y]

I don't really understand the point with criticizing Sylwy 100 games match over and over in many threads.

Clearly 100 games is some info, it gives a feeling about the engine playing strength, and clearly also Sylwy is aware of SSS and uses a vocabulary in his post that does not seem confusing.

For instance, I just run this

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Score of zahak-linux-amd64-7.1 vs minic_dev: 3 - 85 - 12 [0.090]
Elo difference: -401.9 +/- 102.9, LOS: 0.0 %, DrawRatio: 12.0 %

and this let me think Zahak 7.1 is in the 2900Elo range. I guess this is quite true ? Of course I don't know that with a +/-5Elo margin, but this is an estimate.

If I repeat with a 2500 rated engine, I will get around +400 and the same range probably.

As everyone here is aware of the intrinsic quality of such a result, I really think it is fine, and even, why not, usefull.

Thanks Sylwy for those tests, always good to see engines play together.