Banksia GUI released

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Re: Banksia GUI released

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Here's a screenshot to see what I mean. As I said I tried different books and pgn files and also all posible settings.
A new clean install also shows no eco codes, always end of opening.

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Re: Banksia GUI released

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phhnguyen wrote: Tue Oct 26, 2021 12:09 pm Did you see any problem/bug when BSG plays Polyglot book moves?

BSG has understood deeply about that kind of books. Some book parameters such as top percentage is designed for Polyglot (as well as similar ones, such as online books), worked based on weights of moves.

Furthermore, BSG can generate Polyglot books from game databases.

Do I see any problems? BSG just doesn't play the best moves, although it's supposed to. The problem is the assumption that the moves are always correctly sorted. You wrote here that BSG assumes this:

phhnguyen wrote: Sun Aug 29, 2021 4:28 pm [...]
However, when probing books for playing, BSG supposes those moves are in the right order thus it won't sort, just pick up as the conditions. In this case, it picks Bc4 as the top one, not Bb5 since Bc4 is the first.
[...]

This assumption is not correct in reality. And I honestly can't find anyone else on the internet who assumes this. I have shown the implementation of python-chess, for example, where the move that is saved first with the highest weight is considered the best.

I have shown here the example of the M13.4 opening book, the book is sorted so that BSG plays the worst and not the best moves. This book cannot be used with BSG, but it can be used with any other polyglot implementation I know.

With M13.4 it is extreme, but the problem occurs with pretty much every book, first we found it with the Perfect2021 book, but it also occurs with Cerebellum and Chucaro. There, however, it is not as extreme, but rather on a smaller scale, for example, Italian is played instead of Spanish or the other way round.
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Torom I understand what you are explaining to Pham, but strangely MK13.4 on BSG is doing really well on my Superblitz... :shock: (I'll publish all the games tonight, last updated games almost ended)

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@Alexchess - The crosstable is so small on the website...is there a way to view it better or even download it?

Nevermind - found the pgn file, downloaded it into Chessbase then used the crosstable function. :-)
Suprized to find Dragon 2.5.1 way down at the 22nd spot.
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Wilhelm wrote: Tue Oct 26, 2021 5:02 pm Here's a screenshot to see what I mean. As I said I tried different books and pgn files and also all posible settings.
A new clean install also shows no eco codes, always end of opening.

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That's a BEAUTIFUL theme. Did you make it?

Would you share it? :D Makes the GUI very attractive imo.
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Re: Banksia GUI released

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BrendanJNorman wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 3:11 am
Wilhelm wrote: Tue Oct 26, 2021 5:02 pm Here's a screenshot to see what I mean. As I said I tried different books and pgn files and also all posible settings.
A new clean install also shows no eco codes, always end of opening.
That's a BEAUTIFUL theme. Did you make it?

Would you share it? :D Makes the GUI very attractive imo.
Yes, the bitmaps was made by me.
http://descent.at/files/Chess/Bitmaps.zip
Layout and design seems to be saved inside Banksia so I don't know how to share.
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Cornfed wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 2:10 am @Alexchess - The crosstable is so small on the website...is there a way to view it better or even download it?

Nevermind - found the pgn file, downloaded it into Chessbase then used the crosstable function. :-)
Surprized to find Dragon 2.5.1 way down at the 22nd spot.
You can enlarge the browser view. On Chrome full screen 200% is perfectly readable. 73 engines is the biggest BSG crosstable I can publish.

Yes is a big challenge for all engines to stay on top 20. :D
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Hi Pham :)

This is very unsightly.
=> https://prnt.sc/1xm4dx3

Hope you can fix it in the next release.

Thank you,
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AlexChess wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 8:16 am
Cornfed wrote: Thu Oct 28, 2021 2:10 am @Alexchess - The crosstable is so small on the website...is there a way to view it better or even download it?

Nevermind - found the pgn file, downloaded it into Chessbase then used the crosstable function. :-)
Surprized to find Dragon 2.5.1 way down at the 22nd spot.
You can enlarge the browser view. On Chrome full screen 200% is perfectly readable. 73 engines is the biggest BSG crosstable I can publish.

Yes is a big challenge for all engines to stay on top 20. :D
Then again...those are all mostly just Stockfish 'derivatives', right?
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AlexChess wrote: Wed Oct 27, 2021 7:47 pm Torom I understand what you are explaining to Pham, but strangely MK13.4 on BSG is doing really well on my Superblitz... :shock: (I'll publish all the games tonight, last updated games almost ended)

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Well, it is not surprising that BSG has no problem with polylot opening books in tournaments. It's not about finding the best move.

A move sequence with a certain depth is randomly searched for and played, after which the sides are swapped. This means that it does not matter how "bad" the opening is. The two games then simply end 1-0 1-0 or 0-1 0-1. If BSG played the best opening from the book in every game, all games would end 1/2 - 1/2.

If you are looking for an opening book for tournaments you can have a look at this one: https://www.sp-cc.de/uho_xxl_project.htm