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Archimedes
Posts: 167Joined: Tue Mar 05, 2019 3:43 pmFull name: Archimedes
Post by Archimedes Mon Nov 01, 2021 10:58 am
tmokonen wrote: ↑ Mon Nov 01, 2021 8:19 am
I am not having any luck downloading from this link, either from my laptop nor my Android phone. On the phone, it says Sorry, we couldn't find that page when I click on the download button, and on the laptop it says your download is in progress, but nothing happens.
Strange, because link is working fine here. Are you able to download it from my repository?
https://app.box.com/s/dlxclf0l8dh1gisodpdrnmrtumqi5sjb
Rebel
Posts: 7378Joined: Thu Aug 18, 2011 12:04 pmFull name: Ed Schröder
Post by Rebel Mon Nov 01, 2021 12:01 pm
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Gambit Rating List
Running : gauntlet Koivisto 7
Time Control : Time control : 40/120
Games : 2400
Results from file gauntlet-koivisto-7.pgn:
No. Name Win Draw Loss Unf. Score Games %
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1 Koivisto 7.0 +615 =1236 -549 *0 1233.0 2400 51.4%
2 Stockfish 14.1 +110 =88 -2 *0 154.0 200 77.0%
3 Komodo-Dragon 2.5 +99 =92 -9 *0 145.0 200 72.5%
4 Komodo-Dragon 2 +68 =112 -20 *0 124.0 200 62.0%
5 Stockfish 10 +52 =100 -48 *0 102.0 200 51.0%
6 Stockfish 9 +38 =103 -59 *0 89.5 200 44.8%
7 Komodo 14 +42 =92 -66 *0 88.0 200 44.0%
8 Ethereal 13.25-NNUE +26 =121 -53 *0 86.5 200 43.2%
9 SlowChess 2.7 +33 =106 -61 *0 86.0 200 43.0%
10 RubiChess 2.2 +25 =115 -60 *0 82.5 200 41.2%
11 h6 +29 =99 -72 *0 78.5 200 39.2%
12 Pedone 3.1 +17 =98 -85 *0 66.0 200 33.0%
13 Igel 3.0.5 +10 =110 -80 *0 65.0 200 32.5%
Total Games: 2400
White Wins: 572 (23.8%)
Black Wins: 592 (24.7%)
Draws: 1236 (51.5%)
Unfinished: 0 (0.0%)
Estimated ratings for this elo 3480 pool
# PLAYER : RATING POINTS PLAYED (%)
1 Stockfish 14.1 : 3698.9 154.0 200 77
2 Komodo-Dragon 2.5 : 3657.0 145.0 200 73
3 Komodo-Dragon 2 : 3572.9 124.0 200 62
4 Stockfish 10 : 3494.1 102.0 200 51
5 Koivisto 7.0 : 3487.1 1233.0 2400 51
6 Stockfish 9 : 3450.2 89.5 200 45
7 Komodo 14 : 3444.9 88.0 200 44
8 Ethereal 13.25-NNUE : 3439.5 86.5 200 43
9 SlowChess 2.7 : 3437.7 86.0 200 43
10 RubiChess 2.2 : 3425.1 82.5 200 41
11 h6 : 3410.6 78.5 200 39
12 Pedone 3.1 : 3363.0 66.0 200 33
13 Igel 3.0.5 : 3359.0 65.0 200 33
Following a provisional rating list Koivisto 7.0 gained
32 elo over version 6.23 and
87 elo over version 6.0
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# PLAYER : RATING ERROR POINTS PLAYED (%) CFS(%) W D L D(%)
13 Stockfish_10 : 3491.1 10.9 1420.0 2400 59 73 865 1110 425 46
14 Koivisto_7.0 : 3486.7 7.5 1233.0 2400 51 100 615 1236 549 52
15 Ethereal_13.25-NNUE : 3463.1 7.7 2274.0 4600 49 91 1166 2216 1218 48
16 Koivisto_6.23 : 3454.5 10.4 1123.0 2400 47 56 511 1224 665 51
17 Koivisto_6.16 : 3453.4 13.7 1206.0 2800 43 87 539 1334 927 48
18 Stockfish_9 : 3445.4 7.6 1566.0 2800 56 91 860 1412 528 50
26 Koivisto_6.0-sse2 : 3399.7 12.6 1629.0 3200 51 89 920 1418 862 44
This makes Koivisto the third best CPU engine after Stockfish and Komodo.
Great job !
90% of coding is debugging, the other 10% is writing bugs.
Luecx
Posts: 138Joined: Thu Jun 18, 2020 9:20 pmFull name: Finn Eggers
Post by Luecx Mon Nov 01, 2021 1:18 pm
Rebel wrote: ↑ Mon Nov 01, 2021 12:01 pm Code: Select all
Gambit Rating List
Running : gauntlet Koivisto 7
Time Control : Time control : 40/120
Games : 2400
Results from file gauntlet-koivisto-7.pgn:
No. Name Win Draw Loss Unf. Score Games %
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1 Koivisto 7.0 +615 =1236 -549 *0 1233.0 2400 51.4%
2 Stockfish 14.1 +110 =88 -2 *0 154.0 200 77.0%
3 Komodo-Dragon 2.5 +99 =92 -9 *0 145.0 200 72.5%
4 Komodo-Dragon 2 +68 =112 -20 *0 124.0 200 62.0%
5 Stockfish 10 +52 =100 -48 *0 102.0 200 51.0%
6 Stockfish 9 +38 =103 -59 *0 89.5 200 44.8%
7 Komodo 14 +42 =92 -66 *0 88.0 200 44.0%
8 Ethereal 13.25-NNUE +26 =121 -53 *0 86.5 200 43.2%
9 SlowChess 2.7 +33 =106 -61 *0 86.0 200 43.0%
10 RubiChess 2.2 +25 =115 -60 *0 82.5 200 41.2%
11 h6 +29 =99 -72 *0 78.5 200 39.2%
12 Pedone 3.1 +17 =98 -85 *0 66.0 200 33.0%
13 Igel 3.0.5 +10 =110 -80 *0 65.0 200 32.5%
Total Games: 2400
White Wins: 572 (23.8%)
Black Wins: 592 (24.7%)
Draws: 1236 (51.5%)
Unfinished: 0 (0.0%)
Estimated ratings for this elo 3480 pool
# PLAYER : RATING POINTS PLAYED (%)
1 Stockfish 14.1 : 3698.9 154.0 200 77
2 Komodo-Dragon 2.5 : 3657.0 145.0 200 73
3 Komodo-Dragon 2 : 3572.9 124.0 200 62
4 Stockfish 10 : 3494.1 102.0 200 51
5 Koivisto 7.0 : 3487.1 1233.0 2400 51
6 Stockfish 9 : 3450.2 89.5 200 45
7 Komodo 14 : 3444.9 88.0 200 44
8 Ethereal 13.25-NNUE : 3439.5 86.5 200 43
9 SlowChess 2.7 : 3437.7 86.0 200 43
10 RubiChess 2.2 : 3425.1 82.5 200 41
11 h6 : 3410.6 78.5 200 39
12 Pedone 3.1 : 3363.0 66.0 200 33
13 Igel 3.0.5 : 3359.0 65.0 200 33
Following a provisional rating list Koivisto 7.0 gained
32 elo over version 6.23 and
87 elo over version 6.0
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# PLAYER : RATING ERROR POINTS PLAYED (%) CFS(%) W D L D(%)
13 Stockfish_10 : 3491.1 10.9 1420.0 2400 59 73 865 1110 425 46
14 Koivisto_7.0 : 3486.7 7.5 1233.0 2400 51 100 615 1236 549 52
15 Ethereal_13.25-NNUE : 3463.1 7.7 2274.0 4600 49 91 1166 2216 1218 48
16 Koivisto_6.23 : 3454.5 10.4 1123.0 2400 47 56 511 1224 665 51
17 Koivisto_6.16 : 3453.4 13.7 1206.0 2800 43 87 539 1334 927 48
18 Stockfish_9 : 3445.4 7.6 1566.0 2800 56 91 860 1412 528 50
26 Koivisto_6.0-sse2 : 3399.7 12.6 1629.0 3200 51 89 920 1418 862 44
This makes Koivisto the third best CPU engine after Stockfish and Komodo.
Great job !
Looks good! Although I am confused that Koivisto lost to SF10. In our own testing we beat SF11 at very short TC as well as LTC.
Koivisto
Posts: 56Joined: Fri Sep 04, 2020 10:30 pmFull name: Kim Kahre
Post by Koivisto Mon Nov 01, 2021 1:20 pm
Luecx wrote: ↑ Mon Nov 01, 2021 1:18 pm Rebel wrote: ↑ Mon Nov 01, 2021 12:01 pm Code: Select all
Gambit Rating List
Running : gauntlet Koivisto 7
Time Control : Time control : 40/120
Games : 2400
Results from file gauntlet-koivisto-7.pgn:
No. Name Win Draw Loss Unf. Score Games %
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1 Koivisto 7.0 +615 =1236 -549 *0 1233.0 2400 51.4%
2 Stockfish 14.1 +110 =88 -2 *0 154.0 200 77.0%
3 Komodo-Dragon 2.5 +99 =92 -9 *0 145.0 200 72.5%
4 Komodo-Dragon 2 +68 =112 -20 *0 124.0 200 62.0%
5 Stockfish 10 +52 =100 -48 *0 102.0 200 51.0%
6 Stockfish 9 +38 =103 -59 *0 89.5 200 44.8%
7 Komodo 14 +42 =92 -66 *0 88.0 200 44.0%
8 Ethereal 13.25-NNUE +26 =121 -53 *0 86.5 200 43.2%
9 SlowChess 2.7 +33 =106 -61 *0 86.0 200 43.0%
10 RubiChess 2.2 +25 =115 -60 *0 82.5 200 41.2%
11 h6 +29 =99 -72 *0 78.5 200 39.2%
12 Pedone 3.1 +17 =98 -85 *0 66.0 200 33.0%
13 Igel 3.0.5 +10 =110 -80 *0 65.0 200 32.5%
Total Games: 2400
White Wins: 572 (23.8%)
Black Wins: 592 (24.7%)
Draws: 1236 (51.5%)
Unfinished: 0 (0.0%)
Estimated ratings for this elo 3480 pool
# PLAYER : RATING POINTS PLAYED (%)
1 Stockfish 14.1 : 3698.9 154.0 200 77
2 Komodo-Dragon 2.5 : 3657.0 145.0 200 73
3 Komodo-Dragon 2 : 3572.9 124.0 200 62
4 Stockfish 10 : 3494.1 102.0 200 51
5 Koivisto 7.0 : 3487.1 1233.0 2400 51
6 Stockfish 9 : 3450.2 89.5 200 45
7 Komodo 14 : 3444.9 88.0 200 44
8 Ethereal 13.25-NNUE : 3439.5 86.5 200 43
9 SlowChess 2.7 : 3437.7 86.0 200 43
10 RubiChess 2.2 : 3425.1 82.5 200 41
11 h6 : 3410.6 78.5 200 39
12 Pedone 3.1 : 3363.0 66.0 200 33
13 Igel 3.0.5 : 3359.0 65.0 200 33
Following a provisional rating list Koivisto 7.0 gained
32 elo over version 6.23 and
87 elo over version 6.0
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# PLAYER : RATING ERROR POINTS PLAYED (%) CFS(%) W D L D(%)
13 Stockfish_10 : 3491.1 10.9 1420.0 2400 59 73 865 1110 425 46
14 Koivisto_7.0 : 3486.7 7.5 1233.0 2400 51 100 615 1236 549 52
15 Ethereal_13.25-NNUE : 3463.1 7.7 2274.0 4600 49 91 1166 2216 1218 48
16 Koivisto_6.23 : 3454.5 10.4 1123.0 2400 47 56 511 1224 665 51
17 Koivisto_6.16 : 3453.4 13.7 1206.0 2800 43 87 539 1334 927 48
18 Stockfish_9 : 3445.4 7.6 1566.0 2800 56 91 860 1412 528 50
26 Koivisto_6.0-sse2 : 3399.7 12.6 1629.0 3200 51 89 920 1418 862 44
This makes Koivisto the third best CPU engine after Stockfish and Komodo.
Great job !
Looks good! Although I am confused that Koivisto lost to SF10. In our own testing we beat SF11 at very short TC as well as LTC.
Seems like the specific opening book used etc might matter a lot when comparing HCE to NNUE.
Madeleine Birchfield
Posts: 512Joined: Tue Sep 29, 2020 4:29 pmLocation: Dublin, IrelandFull name: Madeleine Birchfield
Post by Madeleine Birchfield Mon Nov 01, 2021 1:27 pm
Luecx wrote: ↑ Mon Nov 01, 2021 1:18 pm Rebel wrote: ↑ Mon Nov 01, 2021 12:01 pm Code: Select all
Gambit Rating List
Running : gauntlet Koivisto 7
Time Control : Time control : 40/120
Games : 2400
Results from file gauntlet-koivisto-7.pgn:
No. Name Win Draw Loss Unf. Score Games %
----------------------------------------------------------------
1 Koivisto 7.0 +615 =1236 -549 *0 1233.0 2400 51.4%
2 Stockfish 14.1 +110 =88 -2 *0 154.0 200 77.0%
3 Komodo-Dragon 2.5 +99 =92 -9 *0 145.0 200 72.5%
4 Komodo-Dragon 2 +68 =112 -20 *0 124.0 200 62.0%
5 Stockfish 10 +52 =100 -48 *0 102.0 200 51.0%
6 Stockfish 9 +38 =103 -59 *0 89.5 200 44.8%
7 Komodo 14 +42 =92 -66 *0 88.0 200 44.0%
8 Ethereal 13.25-NNUE +26 =121 -53 *0 86.5 200 43.2%
9 SlowChess 2.7 +33 =106 -61 *0 86.0 200 43.0%
10 RubiChess 2.2 +25 =115 -60 *0 82.5 200 41.2%
11 h6 +29 =99 -72 *0 78.5 200 39.2%
12 Pedone 3.1 +17 =98 -85 *0 66.0 200 33.0%
13 Igel 3.0.5 +10 =110 -80 *0 65.0 200 32.5%
Total Games: 2400
White Wins: 572 (23.8%)
Black Wins: 592 (24.7%)
Draws: 1236 (51.5%)
Unfinished: 0 (0.0%)
Estimated ratings for this elo 3480 pool
# PLAYER : RATING POINTS PLAYED (%)
1 Stockfish 14.1 : 3698.9 154.0 200 77
2 Komodo-Dragon 2.5 : 3657.0 145.0 200 73
3 Komodo-Dragon 2 : 3572.9 124.0 200 62
4 Stockfish 10 : 3494.1 102.0 200 51
5 Koivisto 7.0 : 3487.1 1233.0 2400 51
6 Stockfish 9 : 3450.2 89.5 200 45
7 Komodo 14 : 3444.9 88.0 200 44
8 Ethereal 13.25-NNUE : 3439.5 86.5 200 43
9 SlowChess 2.7 : 3437.7 86.0 200 43
10 RubiChess 2.2 : 3425.1 82.5 200 41
11 h6 : 3410.6 78.5 200 39
12 Pedone 3.1 : 3363.0 66.0 200 33
13 Igel 3.0.5 : 3359.0 65.0 200 33
Following a provisional rating list Koivisto 7.0 gained
32 elo over version 6.23 and
87 elo over version 6.0
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# PLAYER : RATING ERROR POINTS PLAYED (%) CFS(%) W D L D(%)
13 Stockfish_10 : 3491.1 10.9 1420.0 2400 59 73 865 1110 425 46
14 Koivisto_7.0 : 3486.7 7.5 1233.0 2400 51 100 615 1236 549 52
15 Ethereal_13.25-NNUE : 3463.1 7.7 2274.0 4600 49 91 1166 2216 1218 48
16 Koivisto_6.23 : 3454.5 10.4 1123.0 2400 47 56 511 1224 665 51
17 Koivisto_6.16 : 3453.4 13.7 1206.0 2800 43 87 539 1334 927 48
18 Stockfish_9 : 3445.4 7.6 1566.0 2800 56 91 860 1412 528 50
26 Koivisto_6.0-sse2 : 3399.7 12.6 1629.0 3200 51 89 920 1418 862 44
This makes Koivisto the third best CPU engine after Stockfish and Komodo.
Great job !
Looks good! Although I am confused that Koivisto lost to SF10. In our own testing we beat SF11 at very short TC as well as LTC.
Think Ed Schroeder's hardware is old (i.e. before avx2 was released), as a result, all the engines using neural networks are somewhat weakened on GRL compared to other rating lists such as CCRL or SPCC. Same thing is likely to happen in FGRL.
Luecx
Posts: 138Joined: Thu Jun 18, 2020 9:20 pmFull name: Finn Eggers
Post by Luecx Mon Nov 01, 2021 1:44 pm
Madeleine Birchfield wrote: ↑ Mon Nov 01, 2021 1:27 pm Luecx wrote: ↑ Mon Nov 01, 2021 1:18 pm Rebel wrote: ↑ Mon Nov 01, 2021 12:01 pm Code: Select all
Gambit Rating List
Running : gauntlet Koivisto 7
Time Control : Time control : 40/120
Games : 2400
Results from file gauntlet-koivisto-7.pgn:
No. Name Win Draw Loss Unf. Score Games %
----------------------------------------------------------------
1 Koivisto 7.0 +615 =1236 -549 *0 1233.0 2400 51.4%
2 Stockfish 14.1 +110 =88 -2 *0 154.0 200 77.0%
3 Komodo-Dragon 2.5 +99 =92 -9 *0 145.0 200 72.5%
4 Komodo-Dragon 2 +68 =112 -20 *0 124.0 200 62.0%
5 Stockfish 10 +52 =100 -48 *0 102.0 200 51.0%
6 Stockfish 9 +38 =103 -59 *0 89.5 200 44.8%
7 Komodo 14 +42 =92 -66 *0 88.0 200 44.0%
8 Ethereal 13.25-NNUE +26 =121 -53 *0 86.5 200 43.2%
9 SlowChess 2.7 +33 =106 -61 *0 86.0 200 43.0%
10 RubiChess 2.2 +25 =115 -60 *0 82.5 200 41.2%
11 h6 +29 =99 -72 *0 78.5 200 39.2%
12 Pedone 3.1 +17 =98 -85 *0 66.0 200 33.0%
13 Igel 3.0.5 +10 =110 -80 *0 65.0 200 32.5%
Total Games: 2400
White Wins: 572 (23.8%)
Black Wins: 592 (24.7%)
Draws: 1236 (51.5%)
Unfinished: 0 (0.0%)
Estimated ratings for this elo 3480 pool
# PLAYER : RATING POINTS PLAYED (%)
1 Stockfish 14.1 : 3698.9 154.0 200 77
2 Komodo-Dragon 2.5 : 3657.0 145.0 200 73
3 Komodo-Dragon 2 : 3572.9 124.0 200 62
4 Stockfish 10 : 3494.1 102.0 200 51
5 Koivisto 7.0 : 3487.1 1233.0 2400 51
6 Stockfish 9 : 3450.2 89.5 200 45
7 Komodo 14 : 3444.9 88.0 200 44
8 Ethereal 13.25-NNUE : 3439.5 86.5 200 43
9 SlowChess 2.7 : 3437.7 86.0 200 43
10 RubiChess 2.2 : 3425.1 82.5 200 41
11 h6 : 3410.6 78.5 200 39
12 Pedone 3.1 : 3363.0 66.0 200 33
13 Igel 3.0.5 : 3359.0 65.0 200 33
Following a provisional rating list Koivisto 7.0 gained
32 elo over version 6.23 and
87 elo over version 6.0
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# PLAYER : RATING ERROR POINTS PLAYED (%) CFS(%) W D L D(%)
13 Stockfish_10 : 3491.1 10.9 1420.0 2400 59 73 865 1110 425 46
14 Koivisto_7.0 : 3486.7 7.5 1233.0 2400 51 100 615 1236 549 52
15 Ethereal_13.25-NNUE : 3463.1 7.7 2274.0 4600 49 91 1166 2216 1218 48
16 Koivisto_6.23 : 3454.5 10.4 1123.0 2400 47 56 511 1224 665 51
17 Koivisto_6.16 : 3453.4 13.7 1206.0 2800 43 87 539 1334 927 48
18 Stockfish_9 : 3445.4 7.6 1566.0 2800 56 91 860 1412 528 50
26 Koivisto_6.0-sse2 : 3399.7 12.6 1629.0 3200 51 89 920 1418 862 44
This makes Koivisto the third best CPU engine after Stockfish and Komodo.
Great job !
Looks good! Although I am confused that Koivisto lost to SF10. In our own testing we beat SF11 at very short TC as well as LTC.
Think Ed Schroeder's hardware is old (i.e. before avx2 was released), as a result, all the engines using neural networks are somewhat weakened on GRL compared to other rating lists such as CCRL or SPCC. Same thing is likely to happen in FGRL.
yes that makes a lot of sense.
Rebel
Posts: 7378Joined: Thu Aug 18, 2011 12:04 pmFull name: Ed Schröder
Post by Rebel Mon Nov 01, 2021 2:42 pm
What is old ?
From the command line, thus tt=16Mb
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Koivisto 7.0 AVX2
go depth 30
NPS = 1.032.550Code: Select all
Koivisto 6.23
go depth 30
AVX2 = 1.514.873
SSE 4.2 = 1.636.404
SSE = 1.533.761
Popcount = 1.607.04790% of coding is debugging, the other 10% is writing bugs.
Luecx
Posts: 138Joined: Thu Jun 18, 2020 9:20 pmFull name: Finn Eggers
Post by Luecx Mon Nov 01, 2021 2:45 pm
Rebel wrote: ↑ Mon Nov 01, 2021 2:42 pm
What is old ?
From the command line, thus tt=16Mb
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Koivisto 7.0 AVX2
go depth 30
NPS = 1.032.550Code: Select all
Koivisto 6.23
go depth 30
AVX2 = 1.514.873
SSE 4.2 = 1.636.404
SSE = 1.533.761
Popcount = 1.607.047
The loss of speed is expected due to the larger network. I am not sure what exactly is going on and your results seem to match (the elo difference to 6.23 and 6.0). I was just curious why we are struggling to beat SF 10 whereas it beats SF 11 on my machine.
Fyi we added the option to stack arguments after the executable name (probably irrelevant for most)
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Koivisto.exe "go depth 10" "print" "eval"
will do the 3 commands after each other
Madeleine Birchfield
Posts: 512Joined: Tue Sep 29, 2020 4:29 pmLocation: Dublin, IrelandFull name: Madeleine Birchfield
Post by Madeleine Birchfield Mon Nov 01, 2021 3:57 pm
Rebel wrote: ↑ Mon Nov 01, 2021 2:42 pm
What is old ?
You said this in July this year:
Rebel wrote: ↑ Tue Jul 06, 2021 11:30 pm AndrewGrant wrote: ↑ Tue Jul 06, 2021 10:30 pm
I would love to see a push for all rating lists to make use of AVX2 processors. Most NNUE engines are gimped without those.
I fear another PC in the living room will be at the cost my marriage.
tmokonen
Posts: 1362Joined: Sun Mar 12, 2006 6:46 pmLocation: KelownaFull name: Tony Mokonen
Post by tmokonen Mon Nov 01, 2021 5:25 pm
Archimedes wrote: ↑ Mon Nov 01, 2021 10:58 am tmokonen wrote: ↑ Mon Nov 01, 2021 8:19 am
I am not having any luck downloading from this link, either from my laptop nor my Android phone. On the phone, it says Sorry, we couldn't find that page when I click on the download button, and on the laptop it says your download is in progress, but nothing happens.
Strange, because link is working fine here. Are you able to download it from my repository?
https://app.box.com/s/dlxclf0l8dh1gisodpdrnmrtumqi5sjb
Yes, downloading from the repository works, thank you. It was strange. I usually have no problems with box.com.
