Yes, Mr. Tomasz, you are right - it can be applied. Only here is the fact that something like this should not happen. Soon they will write that in order for the chess engine to take part in the tournament, you have to pay $ 40, for example, because they need the equipment for the tournament. Remember that it is the programmers who write their engines and it is thanks to them that there can be such a tournament. It should be completely free with no ads of any kind.
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I don't think asking programmers to pay is actually an unsound idea. I was running a mini tournament and it costs time and hardware. Someone should pay for that, and it is unfair to ask the organizers to payKrzysztof Grzelak wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 11:43 amYes, Mr. Tomasz, you are right - it can be applied. Only here is the fact that something like this should not happen. Soon they will write that in order for the chess engine to take part in the tournament, you have to pay $ 40, for example, because they need the equipment for the tournament. Remember that it is the programmers who write their engines and it is thanks to them that there can be such a tournament. It should be completely free with no ads of any kind.
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That's an awful idea in my opinion. Many, myself included, would rather see the best engines participate than just those engines with authors who are willing to pay some entrance fee. Participation should be merit based rather than wealth based.amanjpro wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 7:49 pmI don't think asking programmers to pay is actually an unsound idea. I was running a mini tournament and it costs time and hardware. Someone should pay for that, and it is unfair to ask the organizers to payKrzysztof Grzelak wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 11:43 amYes, Mr. Tomasz, you are right - it can be applied. Only here is the fact that something like this should not happen. Soon they will write that in order for the chess engine to take part in the tournament, you have to pay $ 40, for example, because they need the equipment for the tournament. Remember that it is the programmers who write their engines and it is thanks to them that there can be such a tournament. It should be completely free with no ads of any kind.
TCEC already makes due with ad revenue and donations. Feel free to donate.
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Well, what the op suggests is to have no income source. No ad, no nothing. And I think the only way this can be sustainable is to make participation paid.connor_mcmonigle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 9:12 pmThat's an awful idea in my opinion. Many, myself included, would rather see the best engines participate than just those engines with authors who are willing to pay some entrance fee. Participation should be merit based rather than wealth based.amanjpro wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 7:49 pmI don't think asking programmers to pay is actually an unsound idea. I was running a mini tournament and it costs time and hardware. Someone should pay for that, and it is unfair to ask the organizers to payKrzysztof Grzelak wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 11:43 amYes, Mr. Tomasz, you are right - it can be applied. Only here is the fact that something like this should not happen. Soon they will write that in order for the chess engine to take part in the tournament, you have to pay $ 40, for example, because they need the equipment for the tournament. Remember that it is the programmers who write their engines and it is thanks to them that there can be such a tournament. It should be completely free with no ads of any kind.
TCEC already makes due with ad revenue and donations. Feel free to donate.
Otherwise I agree with you, the current arrangement is the best of both worlds. The ads are not invasive, and one gets to donate
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This kind of thing should not happen. No advertisements or donations. If someone can't do it without advertising or donation, then the tournament shouldn't exist. He will remember how TCEC tournaments were made by Mr. Martin Thoresen. The whole TCEC tournament got too commercial.connor_mcmonigle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 9:12 pm TCEC already makes due with ad revenue and donations. Feel free to donate.
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Ah, the wonder of chess engines: the grudges go back so far. There’s an open letter from Martin expressing dissatisfaction with Anton from Chessdom. Your aggrieved tone begins to make some sense, but it’s hard to make out your logic over the grinding of your axe.Krzysztof Grzelak wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 11:27 pmThis kind of thing should not happen. No advertisements or donations. If someone can't do it without advertising or donation, then the tournament shouldn't exist. He will remember how TCEC tournaments were made by Mr. Martin Thoresen. The whole TCEC tournament got too commercial.connor_mcmonigle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 9:12 pm TCEC already makes due with ad revenue and donations. Feel free to donate.
Fat Titz by Stockfish, the engine with the bodaciously big net. Remember: size matters. If you want to learn more about this engine just google for "Fat Titz".
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How do you suggest TCEC cover its operating costs then? If you don't want to deal with an unobtrusive advertisement/optional donation button, no one's obligating you to watch TCEC. In any case, you seem to be the only one taking issue with TCEC generating ad revenue from their website.Krzysztof Grzelak wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 11:27 pmThis kind of thing should not happen. No advertisements or donations. If someone can't do it without advertising or donation, then the tournament shouldn't exist. He will remember how TCEC tournaments were made by Mr. Martin Thoresen. The whole TCEC tournament got too commercial.connor_mcmonigle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 9:12 pm TCEC already makes due with ad revenue and donations. Feel free to donate.
Even the majority of human chess tournaments have sponsors which the tournament organizers advertise for in return. By your logic, the upcoming world chess championship should be cancelled.
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I suggest then that...YOU step in and run it and foot the expenses. Now that this is settled, simply go do it.Krzysztof Grzelak wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 11:27 pmThis kind of thing should not happen. No advertisements or donations. If someone can't do it without advertising or donation, then the tournament shouldn't exist. He will remember how TCEC tournaments were made by Mr. Martin Thoresen. The whole TCEC tournament got too commercial.connor_mcmonigle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 9:12 pm TCEC already makes due with ad revenue and donations. Feel free to donate.
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Thank You!Cornfed wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 12:46 amI suggest then that...YOU step in and run it and foot the expenses. Now that this is settled, simply go do it.Krzysztof Grzelak wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 11:27 pmThis kind of thing should not happen. No advertisements or donations. If someone can't do it without advertising or donation, then the tournament shouldn't exist. He will remember how TCEC tournaments were made by Mr. Martin Thoresen. The whole TCEC tournament got too commercial.connor_mcmonigle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 21, 2021 9:12 pm TCEC already makes due with ad revenue and donations. Feel free to donate.
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Many people have problems, they just can't be honest and write it down.connor_mcmonigle wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 12:31 am How do you suggest TCEC cover its operating costs then? If you don't want to deal with an unobtrusive advertisement/optional donation button, no one's obligating you to watch TCEC. In any case, you seem to be the only one taking issue with TCEC generating ad revenue from their website.
Let's not mix human and chess engine tournaments. These are two different things.connor_mcmonigle wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 12:31 am Even the majority of human chess tournaments have sponsors which the tournament organizers advertise for in return. By your logic, the upcoming world chess championship should be cancelled.