GM Nepo will NOT win even after preparing with a Supercomputer.......

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GM Nepo will NOT win even after preparing with a Supercomputer.......

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GM Nepo will NOT win even after preparing with a Supercomputer, because the Supecomputer suggested moves to Nepo that GM Carlsen would have never considered, therefore, his preparation is way overprepared to a degree that when Carlsen make another move, GM Nepo will be on his own. He would have been better off preparing with an Engine rated around 2900 at standarc time control with a regular PC. :roll: https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/ ... er-carlsen
After qualifying to face Carlsen by winning the Fide candidates tournament in Yekaterinburg this year, Nepomniachtchi credited the Zhores supercomputer, based in the Skolkovo Institute of Science and Technology in Moscow, as helping him and his team evaluate tens of millions of positions per second. This week the Russian confirmed to the Guardian that he was using it again to prepare for Carlsen.

“It can’t harm my chances,” he said. “And this particular supercomputer, because it is a huge data centre which can be used for scientific research, is hopefully more effective than others.”

The use of computers is hardly new at top level chess. But having a machine that can calculate much faster – and potentially see deeper – than others can potentially help players come up with surprise opening novelties or better evaluate positions they may face on the board.

“You’re more sure that your analysis is good when you see 500 million node positions than, say 100 million,” added the 30-year-old, before downplaying how much having a supercomputer on call 24/7 might actually help. “In general all the top players have access to something similar. And it’s the chess engines, such as Stockfish and Leela Chess Zero, which are the main tool in helping us prepare. Everyone has those.”

NOTE: 30 earlier Bobby Fischer made more money playing a match against Spassky in 1992 then what Carlsen is Making now, if you consider what 5 million was worth back in 1992 which is close to about 8.5 millions based on inflation.https://www.dollartimes.com/inflation/i ... &year=1992 Seventeen years later in 1992, Fischer entered negotiations with sponsors willing to fund a match under his proposed format, settling on a bid from Yugoslav millionaire Jezdimir Vasiljević. Fischer insisted that since he had not been defeated in a match, he was still the true World Champion. He further claimed that all the games in the FIDE-sanctioned World Championship matches, involving Karpov and his challengers Korchnoi and Kasparov, had prearranged outcomes.[4] He then played a rematch of the 1972 World Chess Championship against Spassky. The purse for the rematch was US$5 million, with $3.35 million of the purse to go to the winner.
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Re: GM Nepo will NOT win even after preparing with a Supercomputer.......

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Carlsen is a bit unique among modern players - with White he 'just wants to get a game'...then constantly looks to push whatever he comes out of the opening with.

With Black...in tourneys he will often play outright 'iffy' stuff, thinking the opponent will not be able to make full use of any edge they get, be in unfamiliar territory... and simply 'outplay' them.

He is the 'anti-theory' World Champion.

Matches are a different animal of course. He is more cautious because the stakes are so high. I'm sure both sides 2nds will have come up with many computer aided opening options as both White and Black - more towards 'non-theory' when it comes to Carlsen. Each may have a clear favorite battlefield to fight on; but I think it likely both sides will adopt more of a 'hit and run' approach to their opening/defensive choices - let the opponent spend time with their hardware shoring up a line you might have had success with while you just go to something else to keep them off balance.

The real power of engines/computers DURING the match being largely in living rent free in the mind of each opponent and his team.
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Cornfed wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 2:58 am Carlsen is a bit unique among modern players - with White he 'just wants to get a game'...then constantly looks to push whatever he comes out of the opening with.

With Black...in tourneys he will often play outright 'iffy' stuff, thinking the opponent will not be able to make full use of any edge they get, be in unfamiliar territory... and simply 'outplay' them.

He is the 'anti-theory' World Champion.

Matches are a different animal of course. He is more cautious because the stakes are so high. I'm sure both sides 2nds will have come up with many computer aided opening options as both White and Black - more towards 'non-theory' when it comes to Carlsen. Each may have a clear favorite battlefield to fight on; but I think it likely both sides will adopt more of a 'hit and run' approach to their opening/defensive choices - let the opponent spend time with their hardware shoring up a line you might have had success with while you just go to something else to keep them off balance.

The real power of engines/computers DURING the match being largely in living rent free in the mind of each opponent and his team.
You are correct about Carlsen, he will take you to unfamiliar territory in most Openings and middlegame.
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Chessqueen wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 1:09 am GM Nepo will NOT win even after preparing with a Supercomputer, because the Supecomputer suggested moves to Nepo that GM Carlsen would have never considered, therefore, his preparation is way overprepared to a degree that when Carlsen make another move, GM Nepo will be on his own. He would have been better off preparing with an Engine rated around 2900 at standarc time control with a regular PC. :roll:
Always funny to see absolute patzers rolling their eyes and giving subjective "advice" to world champion candidates lol.

You have no idea what is going on in either player's training camp, and if you think the stuff they reveal in press conferences is the end of the story, then... :lol:

The level these guys are on is incomprehensible to you. Don't act so haughty.
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Chessqueen please stop polluting threads with non computer chess stuff!
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Chessqueen wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 1:09 am GM Nepo will NOT win even after preparing with a Supercomputer, because the Supecomputer suggested moves to Nepo that GM Carlsen would have never considered, therefore, his preparation is way overprepared to a degree that when Carlsen make another move, GM Nepo will be on his own. He would have been better off preparing with an Engine rated around 2900 at standarc time control with a regular PC. :roll: https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/ ... er-carlsen
After qualifying to face Carlsen by winning the Fide candidates tournament in Yekaterinburg this year, Nepomniachtchi credited the Zhores supercomputer, based in the Skolkovo Institute of Science and Technology in Moscow, as helping him and his team evaluate tens of millions of positions per second. This week the Russian confirmed to the Guardian that he was using it again to prepare for Carlsen.

“It can’t harm my chances,” he said. “And this particular supercomputer, because it is a huge data centre which can be used for scientific research, is hopefully more effective than others.”

The use of computers is hardly new at top level chess. But having a machine that can calculate much faster – and potentially see deeper – than others can potentially help players come up with surprise opening novelties or better evaluate positions they may face on the board.

“You’re more sure that your analysis is good when you see 500 million node positions than, say 100 million,” added the 30-year-old, before downplaying how much having a supercomputer on call 24/7 might actually help. “In general all the top players have access to something similar. And it’s the chess engines, such as Stockfish and Leela Chess Zero, which are the main tool in helping us prepare. Everyone has those.”

NOTE: 30 earlier Bobby Fischer made more money playing a match against Spassky in 1992 then what Carlsen is Making now, if you consider what 5 million was worth back in 1992 which is close to about 8.5 millions based on inflation.https://www.dollartimes.com/inflation/i ... &year=1992 Seventeen years later in 1992, Fischer entered negotiations with sponsors willing to fund a match under his proposed format, settling on a bid from Yugoslav millionaire Jezdimir Vasiljević. Fischer insisted that since he had not been defeated in a match, he was still the true World Champion. He further claimed that all the games in the FIDE-sanctioned World Championship matches, involving Karpov and his challengers Korchnoi and Kasparov, had prearranged outcomes.[4] He then played a rematch of the 1972 World Chess Championship against Spassky. The purse for the rematch was US$5 million, with $3.35 million of the purse to go to the winner.
We do not know how Nepo prepares and using a super computer does not mean using only top engines because for predicting possible moves of Carlsen you can use also weaker engines with a super computer or moves that you think to play without a computer.

I do not claim preperation is enough for Nepo to beat Carlsen but only that I believe that a super computer can help(even if not enough to win)
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BrendanJNorman wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:53 am
Chessqueen wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 1:09 am GM Nepo will NOT win even after preparing with a Supercomputer, because the Supecomputer suggested moves to Nepo that GM Carlsen would have never considered, therefore, his preparation is way overprepared to a degree that when Carlsen make another move, GM Nepo will be on his own. He would have been better off preparing with an Engine rated around 2900 at standarc time control with a regular PC.
Always funny to see absolute patzers rolling their eyes and giving subjective "advice" to world champion candidates lol.

You have no idea what is going on in either player's training camp, and if you think the stuff they reveal in press conferences is the end of the story, then... :lol:

The level these guys are on is incomprehensible to you. Don't act so haughty.
According to your logic only GMs can post a logical comment when 2 top GMs are playing, but if that is the case none of us here would qualify except Mr. Larry Kaufman, and therefore, the level these guys are on is incomprehensible to you too. So please stop making youtube videos believing that you are an authority in Chess ( which you are not even close to a GM) https://www.youtube.com/user/brendanjnorman/videos
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Re: GM Nepo will NOT win even after preparing with a Supercomputer.......

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Chessqueen wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 9:50 am
BrendanJNorman wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:53 am
Chessqueen wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 1:09 am GM Nepo will NOT win even after preparing with a Supercomputer, because the Supecomputer suggested moves to Nepo that GM Carlsen would have never considered, therefore, his preparation is way overprepared to a degree that when Carlsen make another move, GM Nepo will be on his own. He would have been better off preparing with an Engine rated around 2900 at standarc time control with a regular PC.
Always funny to see absolute patzers rolling their eyes and giving subjective "advice" to world champion candidates lol.

You have no idea what is going on in either player's training camp, and if you think the stuff they reveal in press conferences is the end of the story, then... :lol:

The level these guys are on is incomprehensible to you. Don't act so haughty.
According to your logic only GMs can post a logical comment when 2 top GMs are playing...
Actually, no. You *completely* missed the logic in my post.

Here's you, a 1400 player with a haughty attitude about the preparation methods of players DOUBLE your rating (such is thing is actually possible with you)...

This is like the average primary school student questioning the equations of a math genius like Terrence Tao.

As a NOVICE player (what 1400 signifies) you are not qualified to talk haughtily about world championship contenders - make observations, sure - but the eye-rolling and tone of "Nepo has no idea what he's doing" are simply arrogance (and ignorance) on your part.
Chessqueen wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 9:50 am So please stop making youtube videos believing that you are an authority in Chess ( which you are not even close to a GM) https://www.youtube.com/user/brendanjnorman/videos

As for my teaching chess, here are my thoughts.

1. I teach it to people WEAKER than me, not 1400 points stronger, and have done so for 14 years.

2. I am easily strong enough to do so, and this is *why* I still have around 1300 people subscribed on YouTube (despite not having uploaded a video for a long time), and this is *why* a training course I made has well over 16,000 students and a 4.1/5 average review rate.

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3. I have had students come to me for 1-1 lessons AFTER training with GMs because my communication style makes it easier to grasp difficult ideas.

So with the above in mind, I feel pretty *comfortable* in my ability to teach chess. As clearly, do others. They literally put their money on the line.

This is not the same as the inane comments of a 1400 player criticizing the training methods of literal chess geniuses. :lol:

Now go on, tell us about how you're "easily 2200 online because it's easier to concentrate, and that the chess servers were wrong to ban you for cheating"

It seems you love spouting bullshit, don't you "Nancy"? :mrgreen:
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BrendanJNorman wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 10:41 am
Chessqueen wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 9:50 am
BrendanJNorman wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:53 am
Chessqueen wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 1:09 am GM Nepo will NOT win even after preparing with a Supercomputer, because the Supecomputer suggested moves to Nepo that GM Carlsen would have never considered, therefore, his preparation is way overprepared to a degree that when Carlsen make another move, GM Nepo will be on his own. He would have been better off preparing with an Engine rated around 2900 at standarc time control with a regular PC.
Always funny to see absolute patzers rolling their eyes and giving subjective "advice" to world champion candidates lol.

You have no idea what is going on in either player's training camp, and if you think the stuff they reveal in press conferences is the end of the story, then... :lol:

The level these guys are on is incomprehensible to you. Don't act so haughty.
According to your logic only GMs can post a logical comment when 2 top GMs are playing...
Actually, no. You *completely* missed the logic in my post.

Here's you, a 1400 player with a haughty attitude about the preparation methods of players DOUBLE your rating (such is thing is actually possible with you)...

This is like the average primary school student questioning the equations of a math genius like Terrence Tao.

As a NOVICE player (what 1400 signifies) you are not qualified to talk haughtily about world championship contenders - make observations, sure - but the eye-rolling and tone of "Nepo has no idea what he's doing" are simply arrogance (and ignorance) on your part.
Chessqueen wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 9:50 am So please stop making youtube videos believing that you are an authority in Chess ( which you are not even close to a GM) https://www.youtube.com/user/brendanjnorman/videos

As for my teaching chess, here are my thoughts.

1. I teach it to people WEAKER than me, not 1400 points stronger, and have done so for 14 years.

2. I am easily strong enough to do so, and this is *why* I still have around 1300 people subscribed on YouTube (despite not having uploaded a video for a long time), and this is *why* a training course I made has well over 16,000 students and a 4.1/5 average review rate.

Image

3. I have had students come to me for 1-1 lessons AFTER training with GMs because my communication style makes it easier to grasp difficult ideas.

So with the above in mind, I feel pretty *comfortable* in my ability to teach chess. As clearly, do others. They literally put their money on the line.

This is not the same as the inane comments of a 1400 player criticizing the training methods of literal chess geniuses. :lol:

Now go on, tell us about how you're "easily 2200 online because it's easier to concentrate, and that the chess servers were wrong to ban you for cheating"

It seems you love spouting bullshit, don't you "Nancy"? :mrgreen:
Ha ha ha Nobody really Know who I am, and for all these years I have been faking my identity, as a matter of fact I moved my fake address to the Dominican Republic from Spain which I own 3 houses there, but actually do not even live in the Dom. Rep. at all or Spain anymore. Have not played chess for over 18 years and do NOT even have a Fide ratings. Some people believe that I live in New York, other in Florida, but I have kept myself in a limbo or Black hole for a long long time. Once I gave FIDE a fake name of Jose Pichardo and never ever played one single game https://ratings.fide.com/profile/6402933 . So for your record keep guessing. You can think of whatever you want of me and why I am hiding my identity, but I do not care at all. Guenter believe that I live in Bismarck or some other stupid city, but I am a mysterious man.

Note: You will never ever guess who I really am, and my Last name is not really Pichardo there is no h or r at all, simply keep guessing it is better for me
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Re: GM Nepo will NOT win even after preparing with a Supercomputer.......

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Chessqueen wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 1:10 pm
BrendanJNorman wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 10:41 am
Chessqueen wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 9:50 am
BrendanJNorman wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 5:53 am
Chessqueen wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 1:09 am GM Nepo will NOT win even after preparing with a Supercomputer, because the Supecomputer suggested moves to Nepo that GM Carlsen would have never considered, therefore, his preparation is way overprepared to a degree that when Carlsen make another move, GM Nepo will be on his own. He would have been better off preparing with an Engine rated around 2900 at standarc time control with a regular PC.
Always funny to see absolute patzers rolling their eyes and giving subjective "advice" to world champion candidates lol.

You have no idea what is going on in either player's training camp, and if you think the stuff they reveal in press conferences is the end of the story, then... :lol:

The level these guys are on is incomprehensible to you. Don't act so haughty.
According to your logic only GMs can post a logical comment when 2 top GMs are playing...
Actually, no. You *completely* missed the logic in my post.

Here's you, a 1400 player with a haughty attitude about the preparation methods of players DOUBLE your rating (such is thing is actually possible with you)...

This is like the average primary school student questioning the equations of a math genius like Terrence Tao.

As a NOVICE player (what 1400 signifies) you are not qualified to talk haughtily about world championship contenders - make observations, sure - but the eye-rolling and tone of "Nepo has no idea what he's doing" are simply arrogance (and ignorance) on your part.
Chessqueen wrote: Sat Nov 27, 2021 9:50 am So please stop making youtube videos believing that you are an authority in Chess ( which you are not even close to a GM) https://www.youtube.com/user/brendanjnorman/videos

As for my teaching chess, here are my thoughts.

1. I teach it to people WEAKER than me, not 1400 points stronger, and have done so for 14 years.

2. I am easily strong enough to do so, and this is *why* I still have around 1300 people subscribed on YouTube (despite not having uploaded a video for a long time), and this is *why* a training course I made has well over 16,000 students and a 4.1/5 average review rate.

Image

3. I have had students come to me for 1-1 lessons AFTER training with GMs because my communication style makes it easier to grasp difficult ideas.

So with the above in mind, I feel pretty *comfortable* in my ability to teach chess. As clearly, do others. They literally put their money on the line.

This is not the same as the inane comments of a 1400 player criticizing the training methods of literal chess geniuses. :lol:

Now go on, tell us about how you're "easily 2200 online because it's easier to concentrate, and that the chess servers were wrong to ban you for cheating"

It seems you love spouting bullshit, don't you "Nancy"? :mrgreen:
Ha ha ha Nobody really Know who I am, and for all these years I have been faking my identity, as a matter of fact I moved my fake address to the Dominican Republic from Spain which I own 3 houses there, but actually do not even live in the Dom. Rep. at all or Spain anymore. Have not played chess for over 18 years and do NOT even have a Fide ratings. Some people believe that I live in New York, other in Florida, but I have kept myself in a limbo or Black hole for a long long time. Once I gave FIDE a fake name of Jose Pichardo and never ever played one single game https://ratings.fide.com/profile/6402933 . So for your record keep guessing. You can think of whatever you want of me and why I am hiding my identity, but I do not care at all. Guenter believe that I live in Bismarck or some other stupid city, but I am a mysterious man.

Note: You will never ever guess who I really am, and my Last name is not really Pichardo there is no h or r at all, simply keep guessing it is better for me
So you admit to violating the charter of this forum by using a false name?

Someone should ban this guy. Not fair if some have to use real name and others dont.

BTW....nobody really cares who you are. We do know who you are NOT though.