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Re: Promising engines 3000+ ELO not Stockfish derivatives

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Looking for other promising 3100+ ELO engines to add to my SuperBlitz. Now I have more space thanks to the next BSG HTML crosstable! :D
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There are some engines that I cannot test on macOS M1, Windows 11 and Linux ARM64 due to my harware not supporting SSSE3, AVX and BM2 estentions. Luckily someone very skilled compiled them also for Android ARM64v8 and they run perfectly up to 8 CPUs on Chess for Android 6.2.1, that also includes the feature Engine vs Engine Tournament. So I use Drofa 3.2.0 3123 ELO that still doesn't include NNUE as a strength booster , Fischerov 0.98b4 ELO 2650 and Blue Marlin 14.5 ELO 3700 on 10 games matches to approximately extrapolate their strength. :)

-Pedone 3.1 NNUE (3308 ELO according to CEGT http://www.cegt.net/40_40%20Rating%20Li ... n/121.html)
-Ethereal 13.38-40 github (no NN) Ethereal 12.75 3275 ELO=13.xx no NN https://github.com/AndyGrant/Ethereal/r ... tag/v13.00)
-Zahak 9.0 NNUE (Zahak 8.0 3022 ELO according to CEGT http://www.cegt.net/40_40%20Rating%20Li ... n/380.html)

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Re: Promising engines 3000+ ELO not Stockfish derivatives

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AlexChess wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:09 pm There are some engines that I cannot test on macOS M1, Windows 11 and Linux ARM64 due to my harware not supporting SSSE3, AVX and BM2 estentions. Luckily someone very skilled compiled them also for Android ARM64v8 and they run perfectly up to 8 CPUs on Chess for Android 6.2.1, that also includes the feature Engine vs Engine Tournament. So I use Drofa 3.2.0 3123 ELO that still doesn't include NNUE as a strength booster , Fischerov 0.98b4 ELO 2650 and Blue Marlin 14.5 ELO 3700 on 10 games matches to approximately extrapolate their strength. :)

-Pedone 3.1 NNUE (3308 ELO according to CEGT http://www.cegt.net/40_40%20Rating%20Li ... n/121.html)
-Ethereal 13.38-40 github (no NN) Ethereal 12.75 3275 ELO=13.xx no NN https://github.com/AndyGrant/Ethereal/r ... tag/v13.00)
-Zahak 9.0 NNUE (Zahak 8.0 3022 ELO according to CEGT http://www.cegt.net/40_40%20Rating%20Li ... n/380.html)

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Zahak cannot actually be compiled for Android, unless some code is changed, and once code is changed it is no longer Zahak 9.0.

But do you care?
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Re: Promising engines 3000+ ELO not Stockfish derivatives

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amanjpro wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:45 pm
AlexChess wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:09 pm There are some engines that I cannot test on macOS M1, Windows 11 and Linux ARM64 due to my harware not supporting SSSE3, AVX and BM2 estentions. Luckily someone very skilled compiled them also for Android ARM64v8 and they run perfectly up to 8 CPUs on Chess for Android 6.2.1, that also includes the feature Engine vs Engine Tournament. So I use Drofa 3.2.0 3123 ELO that still doesn't include NNUE as a strength booster , Fischerov 0.98b4 ELO 2650 and Blue Marlin 14.5 ELO 3700 on 10 games matches to approximately extrapolate their strength. :)

-Pedone 3.1 NNUE (3308 ELO according to CEGT http://www.cegt.net/40_40%20Rating%20Li ... n/121.html)
-Ethereal 13.38-40 github (no NN) Ethereal 12.75 3275 ELO=13.xx no NN https://github.com/AndyGrant/Ethereal/r ... tag/v13.00)
-Zahak 9.0 NNUE (Zahak 8.0 3022 ELO according to CEGT http://www.cegt.net/40_40%20Rating%20Li ... n/380.html)

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Zahak cannot actually be compiled for Android, unless some code is changed, and once code is changed it is no longer Zahak 9.0.

But do you care?
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Re: Promising engines 3000+ ELO not Stockfish derivatives

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amanjpro wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:45 pm
Zahak cannot actually be compiled for Android, unless some code is changed, and once code is changed it is no longer Zahak 9.0.

But do you care?
Yes, I care :)

Anyway Zahak derivative works very well (no crashes at all) and I like it! Was very sad to discover that wasn't compatible anymore with my system.

Testing just now against Velvet 3.1.0 (3166 ELO on my SuperBlitz) 6 CPUs level 7 (max)

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Re: Promising engines 3000+ ELO not Stockfish derivatives

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Then fix your mistake. And be more careful about what you post next time.
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Re: Promising engines 3000+ ELO not Stockfish derivatives

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AlexChess wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 7:14 pm
amanjpro wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 6:45 pm
Zahak cannot actually be compiled for Android, unless some code is changed, and once code is changed it is no longer Zahak 9.0.

But do you care?
Yes, I care :)

Anyway Zahak derivative works very well (no crashes at all) and I like it! Was very sad to discover that wasn't compatible anymore with my system.

Testing just now against Velvet 3.1.0 (3166 ELO on my SuperBlitz) 6 CPUs level 7 (max)

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You do not understand, do you? This is not Zahak 9.0 but whatever other thing you want to call it. Your GUI still claims it is Zahak 9

You are a desperate situation for me really
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amanjpro wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 7:36 pm Then fix your mistake. And be more careful about what you post next time.
Which mistake? I don't think it's different he never change nothing on source code, maybe the compiler has only used another compiler.
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Re: Promising engines 3000+ ELO not Stockfish derivatives

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AlexChess wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 7:51 pm
amanjpro wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 7:36 pm Then fix your mistake. And be more careful about what you post next time.
Which mistake? I don't think it's different he never change nothing on source code, maybe the compiler has only used another compiler.
You think you know better than the one who has written the code? Interesting really.

There is at least a line, that needs to be changed. Either in the makefile or in the source code. In either case the end result won't be exactly the same as Zahak 9.0
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amanjpro wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 7:59 pm
AlexChess wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 7:51 pm
amanjpro wrote: Tue Nov 30, 2021 7:36 pm Then fix your mistake. And be more careful about what you post next time.
Which mistake? I don't think it's different he never change nothing on source code, maybe the compiler has only used another compiler.
You think you know better than the one who has written the code? Interesting really.

There is at least a line, that needs to be changed. Either in the makefile or in the source code. In either case the end result won't be exactly the same as Zahak 9.0
I miss your point.
Don't want that people compiles or modifies your source code? Don't release it under GPLv3.
Don't want that people test your binaries? Keep them private and never share them.

You tell me that I overestimates the strength of Zahak an when I try to correct it, referring official rating lists values, you aren't still happy.

You should be grateful to people than help you to compile it for other operating systems and also grateful to people testing it.

I'm not the strange here.

As you know, I like and support all engines derivatives, so if Zahak MOD for Android works, it's ok.
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